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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 2, 2018 14:01:58 GMT -6
www.google.com/amp/www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bs-va-sp-miaa-st-frances-folo-0601-story,amp.html There are a lot of vocal coaches on Twitter about this but haven’t talked about it much here. As much as I want to win as a coach, I think it’s ridiculous to see schools and coaches compromise so much just to have a good football team. The guy is literally paying to win football games. Unfortunately it feels like more and more programs are working harder to get good players than they are at building their players.
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Post by bignose on Jun 2, 2018 16:55:28 GMT -6
I have been following this situation closely. Here are some of the facts:
The school is a very small (172 total students) predominately African American Catholic school in a very impoverished part of Baltimore. It is the oldest Catholic School in the country.
They compete in a private School league that has several other much larger Catholic Schools and a couple of high end prep schools in it. It is a very competitive league, and there was a lot of competition for players, including recruiting public school student athletes. In Maryland, the private schools do not compete against the public schools for State Championships. They have their own leagues.
They discontinued and then reintroduced football several years ago, and they were not very good. One of my former players coached there at this time.
They brought in a new coaching staff a couple of years ago. The new head coach had previously been at one of the prep schools for 17 years. He brought his staff with him. The current co-head coach laid out $60,00 of his own money (he is a hedge fund manager) as a seed fund. He spent a year as a co-head coach at the University of Michigan, then returned. He sponsors 40 kids at over $9,000 per year tuition, plus finds housing for many of them. According to the school, many of these kids are considered "homeless". They recruit heavily, not only kids from the local area, but several from out of State and the Mid Atlantic Region:, Philly, Virginia, and France ( kid is 6'-5" and weighs 286). The thought is that they are trying to be the IMG Academy of Maryland.
Some of their recruiting tactics are high pressure, going into the public schools, emailing and texting kids constantly. Some of this is questionable ethically. (If I found that a coach from another school was coming into my building and asking the guidance department for grade records, I'd have him thrown out of the building so fast that his ass would leave skid marks on the floor) One of the public school ADs provided proof of this. When I hear coaches at the private schools talk about their "recruiting budget," all I can do as a coach in the public school system is shake my head. We are bound by strictly enforced residency requirements. There are few ways around these but for the most part, you play with those you got.
To say they are loaded is an understatement. They had 11 kids sign D1 scholarships last year. One of their recruiting ploys is to guarantee kids that they will get a D1 scholarship.
The other schools in the league are dealing with parents who are afraid that the physical mismatches will result in injuries to their kids. There are questions about liability due to the significant disparity of size and talent.
A co-head coach in the program described those teams who refused to play this team of essentially high school all stars, as cowards.
And then there is the race card being played. Most of the other schools in the league are predominately white. It's a very unfortunate situation.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Jun 2, 2018 18:02:22 GMT -6
Everything about this team seems to be what’s wrong with HS athletics today
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Post by bignose on Jun 4, 2018 20:13:35 GMT -6
Yet another team in the league decided not to play St. Frances this fall, citing safety issues. That makes four so far. If one is to believe the scuttlebutt that has been circulating in the local papers, some of this is payback for the rather blatant recruiting of other team's players.
One of the writers in a local paper told the withdrawing teams to quit complaining and simply emulate St. Frances in the recruiting wars. He doesn't mention the $400,000.00+ dollars kicked in by their HC yearly to house, feed, equip, and educate the kids. Kinda hard for most schools, even wealthy prep schools, to compete with that.
BTW, they were ranked #4 in USA Today's poll last year.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Jun 4, 2018 20:49:36 GMT -6
If you ever want to lose brain cells, read some of the social media comments from SF supporters
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 4, 2018 22:15:15 GMT -6
Is the owner of the local paper also the biggest booster of the school? Thats what this sounds like based on experience. Our state has one of the most successful programs in the country, and the guy who donated all the money for their state of the art facilities also owns the local paper (or at least used to, not sure if that's still true.) Needless to say, local sports writer just showers them with praise and acts like their success is 100% related to "hard work" and that their rising tide would lift all of HS football in the area of others would just work as hard.
And the comments section is full of a special brand of idiocy of people that think they are the only program that lifts, trains, and cares and all the other programs are just lazy.
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Post by bignose on Jun 5, 2018 7:11:14 GMT -6
The reporter in question was one of three who has written about situation. He was trying to stir $hit up by playing the race card. The other reporters were far more objective.
I avoid sports related social media like the plague. Most participants are know nothings and wannabe coaches. And all have personal agendas.
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Post by fantom on Jun 5, 2018 13:25:17 GMT -6
Here in Virginia private and public schools are separate with one exception, a private school that threatened to sue the VHSL and was allowed to join if they agreed to follow VHSL rules. In our area there is a private that has decided to become a national football power. Of Facebook today some of their coaches were complaining that they can't get any of the public schools to let them into 7-on-7's. Well, why would they? If the school is recruiting (And I did say IF) a 7-on-7 is nothing but a combine for them.
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Post by bignose on Jun 5, 2018 15:20:08 GMT -6
I had an interesting conversation with one of my former players today about this school. He coaches at a prep school in New York.
He has a very different perspective, and I see his point of view:
First of all he is glad that many of these kids are getting the opportunity to get a college education, many at colleges they otherwise would never be able to attend.
Secondly, in his opinion, the recruiting wars are overblown. After all, now that this school has the reputation for placing kids into top flight programs, the kids are flocking to this school for the chance to play, even if they are not on the first team.
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Post by bignose on Jun 6, 2018 17:08:41 GMT -6
In what seems to be a final resolution of this situation, St. Frances will now play an "National" schedule including teams from Florida, New York, Connecticut, Virginia, and four teams from Canada. Only one team from Maryland will play them, D.C. area powerhouse Good Counsel. The league is trying to determine if the teams who refused to play them will have the dropped games count as a forfeit in their records.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 16, 2018 14:01:15 GMT -6
In what seems to be a final resolution of this situation, St. Frances will now play an "National" schedule including teams from Florida, New York, Connecticut, Virginia, and four teams from Canada. Only one team from Maryland will play them, D.C. area powerhouse Good Counsel. The league is trying to determine if the teams who refused to play them will have the dropped games count as a forfeit in their records. I will be honest, this seems to be an appropriate solution. Essentially the teams seem to be saying "Yep..good on you. You have invested much more time/effort/and resources into your HS football program than we are willing to. Because of this the outcome is a foregone conclusion before we step on the field. We won't waste your time or our time" When it comes to the idea of "national schedules" I always think back to a period in Louisiana football history where Evangel and John Curtis were being relegated down to their natural class (as opposed to being allowed to play up in classification). Evangel started to explore the idea of setting up a national league, with other big time teams...but the thought exercise kind of fizzled out when the schools all started to realize that SOMEBODY had to come in last (2nd to last etc)
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 16, 2018 14:06:11 GMT -6
I had an interesting conversation with one of my former players today about this school. He coaches at a prep school in New York. He has a very different perspective, and I see his point of view: First of all he is glad that many of these kids are getting the opportunity to get a college education, many at colleges they otherwise would never be able to attend. Secondly, in his opinion, the recruiting wars are overblown. After all, now that this school has the reputation for placing kids into top flight programs, the kids are flocking to this school for the chance to play, even if they are not on the first team. I will say this...I would /will be more impressed by this line of thinking when I see the kids in question graduation with degrees leading to lifelong success. Having coached D1AA football, I am probably a bit jaded, because if I am being honest, many of those kids didn't belong in a university setting. Regarding the "kids flocking" part, I would still say that is due to "recruiting", just a different aspect of it. May not be constant texting/contact etc, but I would bet the school in question spends a good deal of time/effort/resources on things to attract the kids
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