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Post by futurecoach on Jan 18, 2008 14:56:11 GMT -6
What are the advantages of using a series for your play calling vs the traditional 3 back through the 2 hole type? This question was asked to me the other day and I couldn't answer it. The last place I coached used series and it was what I am used to but I'd like to know advantages and disadvantages.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 18, 2008 16:26:49 GMT -6
Im not sure I understand your question. "series" is nothing more than a group of plays that compliment each other because they put a specific defender or several defenders in conflict.
for example, the wing-t buck series involves the fb trap thru the midline, the buck sweep by the half back attacking one flank and the qb boot or waggle threatening the other flank.
you can still call the plays with traditional back and hole numbering but within the series...ie you might number the entire series 100...so you would have 130 trap, 126 sweep and 119 waggle.....or however you want to number your backs...make sense?
series football is great because when the defense is taking away one play within a series you can usually trouble shoot and figure out what else within that series or another will work. For example, if the de is penetrating and causing a pile you might want to trap him with 124 power instead of 126 sweep.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 18, 2008 16:29:01 GMT -6
anyhow, let me add, you can easily establish a series with numbers or colors for example...
100 series, all split flow backfield action 200 series all backs attack same hole, full flow 300 series option series 400 blast option series 500 1 step passing game series 600 3 step passing game series 700 5 step passing game series 800 sprint right series 900 sprint out left series
Just an example..
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Post by coachorr on Jan 18, 2008 16:54:26 GMT -6
So you can have a logical approach to game planning and play calling that can be deductive in theory and approach. You don't want to just call a game like you would play Madden 08. Everything should have a reason or every play within a series should have a compliment. One of the best is Sweep, trap, waggle.
We are a wing T team and we call plays by three numbers. The first number is the formation, the second number is the series, and the third number is the hole. We will add a tags for blocking assignments, formations or special plays.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 19, 2008 5:44:52 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I don't think the question being asked is "why use series football" as opposed to why not run power G out of the I, inside veer out of split backs, and jet sweep out of one back..etc.
I think he is asking more along the lines of play nomenclature. For example, I have been associated with two wing-t teams in the past. One team used "series" to call the play. The "bucksweep" series to the right was all denoted by using "41" Trap was 41 Trap, bucksweep was 41 sweep, waggle was 41 waggle.
Another school used the back/number system (and numbered the lineman, not holes. Also flipped flop their line, so the numbers flipped with him) 30 Trap, 48 GAG (guard after guard) Waggle at 9 were the three plays under that method.
I THINK that is what he ias asking/talking about
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 19, 2008 6:17:57 GMT -6
I think three digit play calling makes sense for wing t, but Id use first digit as series, second digit as ball carrier and third as the hole. name the formations with something other than a number, just what I think makes it simpler for the kids. I have considered it for the dw but in all honesty we dont need very many series so its not necessary.
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Post by CoachBrink on Jan 19, 2008 8:02:27 GMT -6
For me using series, instead of calling the back # through a Hole# is for the QB. He is given alot to do each and everyplay. The series gives him a frame of reference for each play. In a series, the QB will have the same basic steps.
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Post by lochness on Jan 19, 2008 8:51:41 GMT -6
We use the back/hole number system to designate the "who" and the "where." We then use play names to help with what series everything falls into, so we cover both our bases. For example, if we call "24," it simply means "2 back is the ballcarrier through the 4 hole" (oooo....ORIGINAL! ) Then, our series are all named for the base play in that series. So, we may have a Belly Series that looks like this: BELLY BELLY KEEPER BELLY COUNTER BELLY TRAP ...or a series based on the Lead play: LEAD LEAD DRAW LEAD COUNTER LEAD REVERSE LEAD TRAP So, the name of the play helps tell the backs what the series is. The modifier not only defines the additional or complimentary backfield action, but it also keeps the blocking schemes modular (in other words, Belly TRAP is the same for the OL as Lead TRAP, and Belly COUNTER is blocked the same as Lead COUNTER, etc.) It's good stuff.
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 19, 2008 10:00:36 GMT -6
For me using series, instead of calling the back # through a Hole# is for the QB. He is given alot to do each and everyplay. The series gives him a frame of reference for each play. In a series, the QB will have the same basic steps. Interesting, thats what we do with our motion, our qb always opens to face the motion, its a rule I built into our offense...I do agree though the series number to help the qb is a good one. its something I have recommended to my hc in order to cut down on qb blowing his footwork (turning wrong way for example)....
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Post by fbdoc on Jan 19, 2008 10:34:46 GMT -6
We used to use numbers but for the past 2 years we've gone to words. We also have them on our wrist coaches. Instead of 38 or 39 sweep we say sweep right or sweep left. We don't have to call motion because we CAN'T run a sweep without our Fly Motion. Our goal was to make things clear and also cut down on the verbage. We can, and do, add tag words as needed but this works well for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2008 7:48:40 GMT -6
So you're using the first number to basically indicate the run tracks?
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Jan 22, 2008 8:12:46 GMT -6
I feel that series football is the way to go, and numbering to indicate backfield action is great. I like to keep words to a minimum, and save that for formations and tags. If you can signal in formations to your receivers, then your QB only has to deal with motion, play, snap count and you can keep verbage to a minimum in the huddle...
For example:
Instead of "Deuce Lt Zip, Fake Zone Left, Boot Rt, China Route" we can call two numbers, the first indicates the run fake, the second is protection and route combo (w/tags)...
We'd say "Deuce Lt Zip 53-45 " where we're faking IZ lt (53), and running 40 (4=half-slide rt, 5=china route combo)
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Post by futurecoach on Jan 22, 2008 10:37:45 GMT -6
coachd5085 is right. I am just wondering pros and cons of each.
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Post by knight9299 on Jan 22, 2008 10:43:41 GMT -6
We use the back/hole number system to designate the "who" and the "where." We then use play names to help with what series everything falls into, so we cover both our bases. For example, if we call "24," it simply means "2 back is the ballcarrier through the 4 hole" (oooo....ORIGINAL! ) Then, our series are all named for the base play in that series. So, we may have a Belly Series that looks like this: BELLY BELLY KEEPER BELLY COUNTER BELLY TRAP ...or a series based on the Lead play: LEAD LEAD DRAW LEAD COUNTER LEAD REVERSE LEAD TRAP So, the name of the play helps tell the backs what the series is. The modifier not only defines the additional or complimentary backfield action, but it also keeps the blocking schemes modular (in other words, Belly TRAP is the same for the OL as Lead TRAP, and Belly COUNTER is blocked the same as Lead COUNTER, etc.) It's good stuff. I played for a Wing T program in high school that never used the word buck or belly. It was all series numbers and hole numbers. And formations too. Right 55 was belly left.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 22, 2008 12:35:29 GMT -6
We used to call it Right Belly Right. Now it is 187. 100 is the standard formation with TE Wing to the right, 80 is the belly/down series and 87 is through the seven hole.
Holes are numbered as this: ---------9----------------8---7--6--5--4---3---2----------1-------- -------------------------Y---T---G---C---G---T----Y----------------
If it were me, I would do it like this: -----------------------7---5--3---1-0-2--4---6--------8-------- ------X-----------------T---G---C---G---T----Y---------------- ----------------------------------1----------------2
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So if you wanted to run Right Belly left you would call the formation first Brown then the series 80 then the back then the hole. (Brown 843)
I just like to have names for formations, the back who is carrying the ball and the hole it is going through. it seems the kids remember them better.
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Post by lochness on Jan 22, 2008 16:54:09 GMT -6
We use the back/hole number system to designate the "who" and the "where." We then use play names to help with what series everything falls into, so we cover both our bases. For example, if we call "24," it simply means "2 back is the ballcarrier through the 4 hole" (oooo....ORIGINAL! ) Then, our series are all named for the base play in that series. So, we may have a Belly Series that looks like this: BELLY BELLY KEEPER BELLY COUNTER BELLY TRAP ...or a series based on the Lead play: LEAD LEAD DRAW LEAD COUNTER LEAD REVERSE LEAD TRAP So, the name of the play helps tell the backs what the series is. The modifier not only defines the additional or complimentary backfield action, but it also keeps the blocking schemes modular (in other words, Belly TRAP is the same for the OL as Lead TRAP, and Belly COUNTER is blocked the same as Lead COUNTER, etc.) It's good stuff. I played for a Wing T program in high school that never used the word buck or belly. It was all series numbers and hole numbers. And formations too. Right 55 was belly left. Knight, I seriously considered going to a number system, but we have route numbers and slot numbers (for our Z back) and I really felt that we had TOO MANY numbers if we went that way, so I stuck with this. I do like the idea though.
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