eric58
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Post by eric58 on Sept 23, 2007 10:31:01 GMT -6
Coaches, I'm coaching at the freshmen level and we're having trouble with the o-line learning their plays. During o-line indy's I have them walk through the run plays that are being installed and during team I hold up a binder with the play drawn up and who they're supposed to block. So not only are they getting review during indys but they're getting a visual during team. After 2 weeks I gave the oline a test and a majority got them all wrong. Any advice?
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Post by deaux68 on Sept 23, 2007 10:59:26 GMT -6
Wristbands.
You can use them on Monday and Tuesday then take them off for Wednesday and Thursday. Sounds stupid, but it works. Once they see a play over and over they'll learn it.
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Just use them all the time. Nothing wrong with calling the play having them look down find the play and run it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 11:59:35 GMT -6
My only question with the cards is are the players thinking, "okay, on this rep I do this" or are they thinking," okay, on 33 ISO I do this!" We had a problem at the beginning of this season where we were repping plays and the twos would run the same play as the ones. Sometimes I think they ran the play correctly because the copied what the guy in front of them did. I don't think the overall concept necessarily sunk in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2007 12:00:23 GMT -6
Should have added what we did to correct that. We simply had the two groups run different plays, that way the number 2s couldn't just copy.
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 23, 2007 12:05:41 GMT -6
I am not an O-line guru, although I AM coaching the o-line this year. We do our daily dozen individual drills for fundamentals, then we rep vs. air, vs bag, and vs body before going to inside drill or team. When we actually have "twos" we always change the play so they can't just copy.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2007 12:27:07 GMT -6
I also am not an O-line guru--but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Last night.
My issue would be with your systems methodology. How are they supposed to know who to block in the system? Rules? Looks?
If they have rules...do you have too much offense in so that they can't remember which rule applies with which play?
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eric58
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Post by eric58 on Sept 23, 2007 13:40:52 GMT -6
We block looks. We only have 6 runs plays and 5 pass plays out of 6 formations. I'm trying to keep it simple.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 23, 2007 14:45:50 GMT -6
I would figure out away to get some rules for all of your plays for the linemen. Rules make it very easy for them. They just gp through their progression and know who to block
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2007 14:53:58 GMT -6
I am with wingtol Rules are the way to go. When you use multiple formations, you change the looks they see, and then you are making things more difficult for your OL. Look blocking requires kids to understand the entire scheme but rule blocking just requires them to remember what THEY do.
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Post by champ93 on Sept 23, 2007 18:55:40 GMT -6
We rule block exclusively. I give the kids spreadsheets only of their rules, no diagrams.
However I still have a tight end or 2 that will forget Gap-Down - Backer which is half the offense.
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Post by phantom on Sept 23, 2007 19:22:58 GMT -6
Rules are the way to go. When we do assignment work I'll often go over each man's rules before we rep the play. If I were you, I'd lose the cards during team period. Your kids may be using them as a crutch.
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eric58
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Post by eric58 on Sept 23, 2007 23:37:50 GMT -6
To all the coaches who have replied, I'm curious what level are you coaching at? When you guys say rules do you mean a "zone blocking scheme"? If so at the freshmen level are the kids able to do it? The reason why I ask is because over 3/4 of our team have never played football and I don't think they're football mature to understand something like zone blocking. But maybe that's me. I could see the varsity kids being able to do this now (rule blocking) because now they understand the game alot more.
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Post by tedseay on Sept 24, 2007 2:00:51 GMT -6
eric58: Bird dog, bird dog, bird dog. Give them the play and the cadence. At the snap, each O-lineman takes his first step toward his blocking assignment and freezes. Check that everyone is stepping toward the right defender. Then call out "Two" as they take their second step and freeze. You can walk them through their third and fourth steps, as well, but the most important part of the drill is the first two steps.
You can give immediate correction to anyone who doesn't know his assigment, and plenty of reps in a short time.
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Post by wingtol on Sept 24, 2007 5:14:20 GMT -6
No rules would be like for our power play:
TE-Inside/middle to backside lb
PST-Inside/On to backside backer
PSG Inside/On to backside backer
C- backside/on
PSG-Pull block PSLB
PST-Inside/Jab pick
Give them a progression of where they have to go every play, the rules allow them to go to the line and say...ok is there someone inside me, if there is block him, if not is there a middle backer, if not then look for the playside backer....its a progression of where to look and who to block. I have used rules from the freshman level up in HS. With all the diffrent looks you get now days on Def teaching them to block a look is alot more complicated then it use to be years ago.
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Post by coachcalande on Sept 24, 2007 6:05:55 GMT -6
blocking rules, quiz them constantly. at the frosh level i typically installed 14-16 schemes all with blocking rules. they can do it. it takes hard work for the oline coach. i have also done white board quizzes, written tests and one way to send the message is to quiz a kid on his rule, if he doestn know it, he gets 5 hills, by the time he runs his five hills he knows that daggone blocking rule.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 24, 2007 6:14:56 GMT -6
Rules are good for olinemen. Keep the number of plays low until they can execute flawlessly. I think six runs are fine if they have similar rules- if they all have different rules, it may be on the verge of over-kill...
3 rules to memorize for runs, maybe 1-2 for pass. Anymore than that and they likely won't perform.
Wristbands are great, but be weary of them using them as crutches. I like the suggestion of using them Days 1 & 2 of the week and taking them off for the remainder of the week and the game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 24, 2007 8:00:16 GMT -6
Actually Eric, rules are designed for players who DON'T understand the game. Look blocking is far more difficult.
As wingtol gave his example, all your player has to do is know the rule (and what it means: Inside, means player inside of you, ON means player "on" you etc) and then follow through the progression.
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Post by tripleoption61 on Sept 24, 2007 8:03:41 GMT -6
develop some rules for the plays
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Post by bulldogoption on Sept 24, 2007 12:19:54 GMT -6
Blocking fronts is ok, but rules make it easier to adjust no matter if they give you a 3,4,5 or 6 man line.
Rules for Trap for example.
PST: Block first LB to your inside gap
PSG: Block first defender to your inside gap
C: Block first defender to the backside
BSG: Pull and kick out the first wrong colored jersey
BST: Block the first defender to your inside gap towards the play
Start with a set of rules vs. your most common defense front. Then check the rules against other fronts and see if they still work. Try to alter the rules so they fit most fronts. There can always be exceptions.
Then rep vs. different fronts.
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Post by ajreaper on Sept 24, 2007 13:00:39 GMT -6
When in doubt we tell them- In, On, and Over for playside, backside is easy if you are not pulling zone block aggressively to playside. Simple and covers about 99% of most blocking situations + anyone blocked is better then no one blocked  |
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Post by gacoach on Sept 24, 2007 13:24:53 GMT -6
eric58: Bird dog, bird dog, bird dog. Give them the play and the cadence. At the snap, each O-lineman takes his first step toward his blocking assignment and freezes. Check that everyone is stepping toward the right defender. Then call out "Two" as they take their second step and freeze. You can walk them through their third and fourth steps, as well, but the most important part of the drill is the first two steps. You can give immediate correction to anyone who doesn't know his assigment, and plenty of reps in a short time. Coach, When you bird dog, do you do one line at a time or all together? In other words, say you go 3 deep, do you have all 3 lines go together? We do go 3 deep and found that when they all go together the back lines would watch the front and just mimic them. I started rotating the lines forward after each play and found out how much our 2's and 3's didn't know. This stopped after we started rotating. This works GREAT on the freshman team. |
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eric58
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Post by eric58 on Sept 24, 2007 14:53:17 GMT -6
Thanks for the input coaches
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Post by tedseay on Sept 25, 2007 2:46:16 GMT -6
Coach, When you bird dog, do you do one line at a time or all together? In other words, say you go 3 deep, do you have all 3 lines go together? We do go 3 deep and found that when they all go together the back lines would watch the front and just mimic them. I started rotating the lines forward after each play and found out how much our 2's and 3's didn't know. This stopped after we started rotating. This works GREAT on the freshman team. Either rotating, or just having the different lines bird dog different plays -- that highlights who the "mimics" are real quick...  And I agree, this is an essential tool for coaching frosh ball. |
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