yznx3e
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Post by yznx3e on Nov 26, 2006 11:38:33 GMT -6
Going to move my WR to RB next year. He is a great athlete (39.2 300 hurdles). 800 yds receiving in 8 games this year and averaged 9 yards per carry on jet sweeps and reverses. And no he is not afraid to run inside (consistently cut the jet back inside with abandon). So I am looking to get him the ball more by putting him in the backfield. My experience other than the spread is with the I formation power/counter/iso/stretch schemes. Not experienced with IZ/OZ and not sure that would fit him anyway. I like the power game the Chargers run with LT and they seem to get him the ball a number of ways. Any opinions. I just think he has to touch the ball 20 times a game and thats hard to do at WR.
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Post by brophy on Nov 26, 2006 11:48:29 GMT -6
what offense have you BEEN running?
If I'm not mistaken, don't the Chargers run OZ, only with a pin-and-pull technique?
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Post by fbdoc on Nov 26, 2006 11:49:41 GMT -6
If you have other sweeper threats, keep it spread out and put your kid at FB. Our FB's have averaged nearly 8 yards per carry out of our one back Fly sweep offense. Spread them out and let your kid hit the wider holes.
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 26, 2006 11:49:59 GMT -6
Going to move my WR to RB next year. He is a great athlete (39.2 300 hurdles). 800 yds receiving in 8 games this year and averaged 9 yards per carry on jet sweeps and reverses. And no he is not afraid to run inside (consistently cut the jet back inside with abandon). So I am looking to get him the ball more by putting him in the backfield. My experience other than the spread is with the I formation power/counter/iso/stretch schemes. Not experienced with IZ/OZ and not sure that would fit him anyway. I like the power game the Chargers run with LT and they seem to get him the ball a number of ways. Any opinions. I just think he has to touch the ball 20 times a game and thats hard to do at WR. go direct snap..single wing! give him the ball with as much lead blocking as you can get. ---O-O-O-X-O-O-O ---------------O-------O --------------O -----------O |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 26, 2006 12:40:19 GMT -6
I'd go with what you know, but treat the kids as a utility back. If you know (and you're line knows) Iso and counter blocking, then I'd stick with it. Here's some sample formations/schemes
X........................T..G..C..G..T..Y
.............H(stud)..........Q.............................Z
...................................F
Motion him and run the rocket series; sweep, FB counter etc, toss and trap (GT pull rules for the line, your Stud cuts the sweep underneath)... (I don't like the jet to the strong side). Or bring him in at the I position and run your Isos and Counters. Just be ready to run PA off of the looks. If I have him split out, I'd also run track/bubble screens along with short easy passes.
X..................T..G..C..G..T..Y
............................Q.............................H.................Z
............................F
From trey, we'd do the same things described above (rocket series, Isos, Counters, track screens etc....) However, we'd also run the holylivingheck out of the jet series (sweep, FB dive, boot to the Y and Z side) We also like to run sprint outs towards trips, if we're seeing Cover 3, which we normally would, we'd have H running short outs, especially if you have a mismatch against the flat defender.
...............Y..T..G..C..G..T...............................X
.......................Q..........................H.......Z
........................F
This would be primarly a sprint out/track screen formation. However, you can still motion H in and run your inside stuff (Isos, Counters, PA) along with the rocket series (sweep, FB dive, GT trap). As I stated above, I don't run the jet series to the strong side; the sweep back just have too far to go.
I think as long as you keep all of this simple (particularly the inside game- Isos and GT counters) you can teach this kid quite a bit. The PA is really key with the inside game; running a few easy PAs off of Iso looks takes a lot of pressure off of you're inside game. The Jet and rocket series are so easy to teach the kids, that you wouldn't have a whole lot of trouble there. Outiside of that, we'd teach the kid to run track screen and a few easy short routes (out, hook, curl). If he's played WR, then he'll already know most of this.
A lot of guys want to take the stud and immediately plug him in as the single back in a pro offense. However, there is so much more that you can do with the kid if stick him at the slot position and move him around a little. This way, you can use the kid to attack a multitude of coverages, inside of just giving him the ball inside 30 times a game.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 26, 2006 13:51:01 GMT -6
double wing all the way baby!!!...lol.... thought I would throw that in for all of us darksiders!!
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Post by phantom on Nov 26, 2006 13:56:52 GMT -6
Put him in the I and feed him 25 carries a game with isos, power, counter, sweep, and zone if you want to use zone.
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Post by tog on Nov 26, 2006 14:09:33 GMT -6
can he throw at all?
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yznx3e
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Post by yznx3e on Nov 26, 2006 15:29:37 GMT -6
No. He can't throw at all.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 26, 2006 17:27:19 GMT -6
Depending on how good your other threats are I'd put him at TB and give him the ball 20-30 carries. I would also build in a few ways to release him into pass routes either from the backfield or line him up outside at times. Then of course you need a few plays to break keys using the FB, play action, etc. I would also have a screen for him.
Iso, power, counter, stretch are all excellent ways for him to do damage. What is the OL like? What can they do? How is the FB as a blocker? Ball carrier threat?
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2006 20:44:40 GMT -6
find ways to get him at least 30 touches (or opportunities for touches) a game. backfield as ballcarrier. receiver as ballcarrier (jets; reverses). from the backfield as pass receiver. aligned as a receiver in the passing game. and motion to all of the above.
use your current offense as much as possible. add some tags within the current terminology to make it go. work a backup at his "position" so you don't lose an entire offensive scheme. but, with that in mind. . . keep doing what you've been doing and work the athlete into the mix rather than catering a new thing to 1 athlete. the athlete can mix into an existing scheme much better than an existing team of players can adapt to the new scheme for the single athlete.
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yznx3e
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Post by yznx3e on Nov 26, 2006 21:00:19 GMT -6
Great stuff everyone. Really leaning towards three wr's I formation as a base set in the middle of the field. Then when we go 4 wide he goes back outside to the same spread stuff we used this year.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 26, 2006 23:44:17 GMT -6
go direct snap..single wing
coachcalande, that is exactly what we ran this year.. except we were unbalanced. (We were really part-time until week 7... then we were down to our 4th QB.. so we ended up being exclusively SW through the season and playoffs)... our TB rushed for 2400, threw for 260 and caught 6 TD passes (with about 280 yds.). No secret who was going to get the ball anyway...
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Post by coachcalande on Nov 27, 2006 4:54:55 GMT -6
WE had two single wing tailbacks over 1100 yards in a 9 game jr high season. Loads of fun, great power from the Swing. course, we used double wing blocking schemes up front...
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 29, 2006 10:39:37 GMT -6
Find ways to get him the ball in your current scheme, I run the wing-t so I would line him up and TB, FB and even do single wing
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 29, 2006 11:06:27 GMT -6
Great stuff everyone. Really leaning towards three wr's I formation as a base set in the middle of the field. Then when we go 4 wide he goes back outside to the same spread stuff we used this year. The Rams used Marshall Faulk like this a ton. They ran a TON of I-formation, but would motion Marshall out quite a bit (and sometimes would motion the other back out as well, making Marshall the 1-back). Also would line up in 4-wide and bring him in on motion as an off-set back (for counters, traps, etc) and as an I-back (Iso, lead draw, zones). I like this theory--you can line up in basically the same sets and just move him around. One thing to remember though in the offseason in particular, is you MUST develop other threats. If he is this good, recognize that you will, at some point in the season, play a team with some very good athletes who decide that this player will not beat you, no matter where he lines up. Be able to use him as a decoy, faker, etc. Reggie Bush in HS played in a wing-t scheme with a lot of faking and the other players got the ball quite a bit; in College they used him quite a bit as a decoy or player to fake the ball to. Now obviously get the ball to your stud, but don't forget about your other guys. As I always say a RB who gets 120 yards on 17 carries simply plays in a better offense than a RB who gets 120 yards on 30 carries. Keep feeding him the ball until they can stop it, but always be looking for counters or ways to get your other athletes the ball in good position. Oh, and screen, screen, screen. Putting him at RB is worth it for no other reason than to run swing and slow screens to him as a RB. |
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Post by edwardslv on Nov 29, 2006 12:18:32 GMT -6
Cross-train him so he can play multiple positions in your existing system. Do not change your system for him. Add some plays for him, but limit it to that.
Nothing new really. Just reiterating what others have said.
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Post by champ93 on Nov 29, 2006 12:35:00 GMT -6
I've got a similar situation next year. I plan to stay wing-t philosphy, but line my stud up at QB in the shotgun. He can throw satisfactorily and we plan to sprint him out as a run/pass threat. I also have a very fast WB back that I can run jet sweep with and a quick but skinny FB to lead inside or run traps, belly, down,etc. We'll run the gun read option and some midline too. Keep the ball in the hands of your stud.
If your kid is coachable and can be taught to throw the ball on the run at all, line him up at quarterback and stay within your base offense. But run him all over the field, using your other kids for counters, misdirection etc. If you need to 5 step and open the passing game, bring in #2 assuming he can do that.
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