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Post by airman on Jan 4, 2006 22:47:51 GMT -6
I was reading some thing on john wooden and he said he really never worried much about what his opponent did.
what he did worry about his what his team team. they pacticed what they woudl do to perfection .
so the question is, do you try to scout the other team and develop tendencies and all that wonderful stuff or do you perfect your offense and defensive technique so that your level of play is so much higher then your opponents.
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Post by tog on Jan 4, 2006 22:58:55 GMT -6
I look at it like this
I am not "worried" about what the other team does. I am going to take advantage of it with my team being varied enough attack wise to do so all while keeping it simple.
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Post by saintrad on Jan 4, 2006 23:42:47 GMT -6
from a defensive stand point it wouls seem you would have to cover all possibilities in all practices since teams do do things out of habit or as a trick. Correct?
I too like the Wooden approach, but not sure how self-focused you can be, especially if you run a comlicated offense.
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Post by oguru on Jan 5, 2006 0:49:13 GMT -6
As an offensive coach at the college level. During fall camp. We focus on what we are going to do,and then the week and a half before the first game we start preparing for our first opponent.The scouting report has already been don,and has been ready since mid June. During the season, we chart the opponets fronts,stunts,vlitzes and coverages and a GA puts them throguh the computer. I look at this info briefly in terms of what to practice for what situation vs the scout team. However the main focus is aklways on what we are going to do. I try and have our base ten plays that we can run against anyone anytime. Which normally works So in essence the emphasis is on us more then our opponents. As if we do what we do well no one will stop us.
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Post by Mav on Jan 5, 2006 7:23:11 GMT -6
I don't think it's an either/or situation. As a team, you have your offensive and defensive packages that you practice weekly. You may, based on your next opponent, emphasize (ie more reps) specific areas you think you will give you an advantage, based on scouting their weaknesses/tendencies. This is your weekly game plan. But, of course you wouldn't want to add new things each week based on scouting. If you had to, your 'packages' would be considered incomplete.
Simply put: 'do what you do', but understand 'what and when' to run things based on scouting.
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Post by los on Jan 5, 2006 8:01:23 GMT -6
It's probably just a statement to describe his overall philosophy and wasn't meant to be broken down into specifics. You know, the ol "Play your own game stuff a lot of people say"?? I agree with it though!
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Post by Mav on Jan 5, 2006 8:07:50 GMT -6
It's probably just a statement to describe his overall philosophy and wasn't meant to be broken down into specifics. You know, the ol "Play your own game stuff a lot of people say"?? I agree with it though! I agree - usually just philosophy. Keeps the players focused on their execution. Behind the scenes the coaches can deal with the opponents.
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Post by airman on Jan 5, 2006 11:40:32 GMT -6
I do not watch film of the other team. I find it a waste of time. if i am going to watch film it is of my own team to correct their mistakes.
when you throw the ball there are only so many coverages out there. if you practice against them all the time, then you do not have to worry about what the other team is doing.
i guess that is the luxury of lining up in 5 wr on every play. we do not need to know what fron the defense is in.
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Post by Mav on Jan 5, 2006 12:13:35 GMT -6
I do not watch film of the other team. I find it a waste of time. if i am going to watch film it is of my own team to correct their mistakes. when you throw the ball there are only so many coverages out there. if you practice against them all the time, then you do not have to worry about what the other team is doing. i guess that is the luxury of lining up in 5 wr on every play. we do not need to know what fron the defense is in. What about creating personnel match ups? At the high school level it seems every team has one corner who's significantly weaker than the other. In crunch time wouldn't you want to increase your odds by putting your best reciever against him? Sometimes a similar situation with LBs and Safeties. Every once in a while we'll need to double on a very good pass rusher. Does your league not trade films? Interesting... I thought everyone did film scouting.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 5, 2006 12:22:22 GMT -6
Mav, that's whgat I was going to say. Particularly if I'm a 5-wide team I want to know where they line up their covermen and how good they are. At a school I used to coach at which was pass-first 4 wides every play we played a team that had a bunch of great athletes and could play lots of press man because of it, but inevitably had one guy we could pick on and we spent the whole game trying to match him up against our good receivers. For three straight years the guy we picked on was different and so were our QBs and receivers but our gameplan was the same, throw it against the guy we can beat on.
I've read some of Wooden's stuff, it's pretty good. He has some real wisdom with how to coach players: not beating them down, when critiqueing them try to give them a complement ("You made a nice cut and sank your hips well but you have to get your head around and burst out of the break" rather than only the negatives) etc. I think when he talks about focusing on you it is not meant to the exclusion of your opponent (though if you have Bill Walton and Kareem Abdul Jabbar you probably can just run your plays for those guys and not worry about what the other team is doing).
Other coaches on here mentioned it, I think it is good to keep the players focused on themselves rather than the opponents. We break down opponents film with them but we don't want them freaking out about this guy or that or this scheme or another. And I do think you have to ride what got you there and not change up just because you think you see some weakness, but you do adapt and scout and attack the weaknesses. Part of this is having a good scheme of your own so you don't have to drastically change every week to take advantage of perceived weaknesses.
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Post by brophy on Jan 5, 2006 12:23:43 GMT -6
I think the main thing is the main thing....focus on what you do, don't game plan YOURSELF out of the game.
What do you do well on defense / offense? What are your weaknesses?
How do those matchup with your opponent?
Personally, I DO get caught up in the game plan...maybe too much. Tendencies and recognizing THEIR comfort zone are things we pay careful attention to and look to get the best matchup by doing WHAT WE DO......
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Post by bigdaddyd on Jan 5, 2006 12:33:23 GMT -6
I make it a point to prepare for our opponent and what we plan to do against their tendencies. We will watch game film all week during the lunch hour. I feel its a must to break down your opponents game film as well as break down your teams practices and game film (of the previous week). It's just my opinion, but I don't understand why you wouldn't or couldn't do both.
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Post by los on Jan 5, 2006 20:50:05 GMT -6
I like to spend a good deal of time studying the other teams offense, particularly if its something I'm not very familiar with(example would be the first time we had to play a Dbl. wing team). Not to much study of the defense, other than their base vs. different formations cause I think matchups on the LOS will kinda determine what plays we can run successfully. Even though we won't tell the defensive team every detail,(as in don't confuse them) I want to understand the other guys offense as well as I can before the game! Lets you use your instincts!
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Post by pegleg on Jan 5, 2006 20:57:53 GMT -6
i tend to concentrate more on what we do.
reason is, we run 4 formations and believe there only 3-4 things you can do to them. once we figure out what they are, we need to focus on getting better at what we do which we have tried to design to attack those few things you can/will do.
also, with the no huddle, we feel like we will be able to attack you on friday by putting ourselves in the best possible play. regardless of what you show us.
at least thats the theory, i wish it were that simple.
Holla
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