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Post by cmow5 on Aug 3, 2007 7:34:29 GMT -6
I am a first year coach at the 8th grade level. We started strength and conditioning 3 weeks ago and last night at the final session we discovered we have a female player on the team. The HC and I have no problem with that, but we do not know how to handle certain situations like locker room procedures, how aggressive to be with her, and how to handle the other players? I already had to get on one player for a rude comment. Should we address the rest of the team without her about how to act? Please help!
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Post by herky on Aug 3, 2007 8:12:42 GMT -6
We started strength and conditioning 3 weeks ago and last night at the final session we discovered we have a female player on the team. So she just showed up....or did you not realize all this time she was a girl? As a female, here's my take on the situation. Chances are if she is showing up this late, she will not last long, however, treat her like any of the boys. It is generally a bigger issue for adults. I would recommend addressing everyone early on with the focus being on team and respect for one another. If you do not tolerate rude comments you hear about other boys, don't tolerate it about the girl. But don't be ultra sensitive about comments just because she is a girl....kids will work that out. With the locker room issue, that can easily be worked out. Practices should not be an issue as long as you address the team as much as possible in common areas. You may have to change pre game/halftime procedures a bit as to not exclude her. Enlist the help of a girl's coach, the athletic trainer or a female administrator if need be at games. Accept the girl on the team as you would any other boy and model respectable behavior. The kids will know if you are authentic or not. I don't see a need to treat her differently just because she is a girl. She is choosing to play football, so treat her like a football player.
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Post by cmow5 on Aug 3, 2007 15:11:25 GMT -6
Thanks for the advice. She just showed up, but we do not count that against her because we had a little trouble getting the word around about the training. Like I said this is my first year ever coaching and this is the HC first year at the school so we tried to get the word out as much as possible using last years roster, word of mouth and in front of the school. And from what I seen that one day I think she will start on the o-line.
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Post by tog on Aug 3, 2007 21:08:51 GMT -6
herky is wise
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Post by wingtol on Aug 3, 2007 21:20:47 GMT -6
I am not quite sure but I think we have a few girls on our team this year with weird girl names like tom, bill, joe.........
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 3, 2007 21:40:02 GMT -6
Look at it from a selfish perspective, namely can THIS player help the team? Sounds like you might be at a small school (so am I) and just about any extra players is a good thing. 5 years ago we had a girl come out - I could tell right away that it was a novelty (from her attitude) but we just coached her the same way as we did the other players. We did our very best to make her a good football player. She ended up quitting after 3 weeks when it became clear that WE weren't going to "kick her off". 2 years ago we had another girl, heck of an athlete, come out and become our kicker. Was outstanding as a PAT (35 out of 37 for the season) and kickoff - even made 2 tackles! Treat them all like football players! Coach em' Up!
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Post by bopper235 on Aug 3, 2007 22:11:03 GMT -6
We had a girl who was a left tackle on our team two years ago. She was actually pretty good Her brother is a starting offense lineman for an sec school so he worked with her a lot. We didn't treat her any differently on the field except for no butt patting of course. As far locker room accommodations go before practice or games we would have a have a female coach escort her up to the female locker room so she could dress. After practice or games we would escort her and her mother up to the ladies dressing room so she could shower and change.
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Post by ajreaper on Aug 4, 2007 9:06:56 GMT -6
Several years ago I had a three year run where I had at least one female player on my freshman team. I told them up front you'lll get treated no differently then the guys and we'll hold you to the same standard we hold them to- If you choose to enter what is essentially a male dominated environment then whatever adjusting must take place falls upon you and not the other players the team or the program. None ever had a problem with that, all completed the season and one actually played all 4 years in high school. You make the obivious accomidations like a seperate changing area but beyond that treat them like everyone else.
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Post by wingman on Aug 4, 2007 19:27:39 GMT -6
Thank God we don't have one. Who need the problems. One came out 4 years ago. We timed her and said she was too slow to be anything but a lineman. About 5 minutes into line drills, she quit. I'm sure she wanted to be a receiver because 1/2 of them are girls anyway.
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Post by trojan on Aug 5, 2007 12:33:37 GMT -6
A player is a player. We had a female player in the 7th and 8th grade. Hit her hard and knock her over and she cried, just like 2/3 of the boys...
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 5, 2007 14:26:01 GMT -6
we have a girl, she is big. got a decent amount of playing time on JV, but none on var last year. shes wil be a senior but i dont think she will play this year, she will go to state in shot put this year though
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Post by mjfeldman on Aug 6, 2007 5:49:19 GMT -6
I had a couple of girls on my JV team a few years ago. I ignored that they were girls, as much as I could. I treated them just like I would a boy of equal committment and ability. One quit, one stuck it out the whole season, but only got in late in the game, at deep safety, when we had a big lead. Neither came out again.
If you treat them like one of the guys it clarifies a lot of issues.
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Post by touchdowng on Aug 6, 2007 17:49:49 GMT -6
Have had 3 girls play for my JH and HS teams successfully (made it through the season in good standing).
The first was an 8th grader who ended up playing for two seasons on two championship teams, so she ended up playing a lot. She was awsome - Not a good player, but a great kid. The only difference between her and boys (besides the obvious) was that, "Amber gets her own dressing room."
Boys were really good about it because she busted her butt.
At the H.S. level I've had two girls. One could actually play and went to college and was a rugger.
All 3 experiences were really good.
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Post by wingt74 on Aug 7, 2007 11:41:10 GMT -6
I am a first year coach at the 8th grade level. We started strength and conditioning 3 weeks ago and last night at the final session we discovered we have a female player on the team. Ummm, Discovered? After 3 weeks of S&C? Is that a story in of itself? Just don't put her at center or at QB and you'll be fine. I coached a girl, thought it was a big deal, and it really wasn't.
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Post by hlb2 on Jan 12, 2009 21:34:24 GMT -6
I'm fixing to run into the same situation and have absolutely no problem with girls playing, but one. Sexual harassment has been kicked around and twisted into numerous forms and I could easily see a gesture by a male player either verbal or physical turning into this. I do have a couple of questions however. First when you go to away games do you notify the home team that you need an additional dressing room, or do you let her dress first and then let the rest of the team in? What about injuries? I know this, if my wife was hurt, even bad, she wouldn't say or do anything but line up and go again (hey she is married to me, so she must be tough), and I know a lot of girls that would do just this thing, how hard are they to read upon injury? I would protect them as you would any of your smaller kids, but injury can happen at any time and I'm trying to protect myself. Again that comes to the question of harrassment, if the girl is down, should I wait for a female trainer (of which we do not have) to arrive? I just see a lot of potential problems ahead, but of course, none are as big as telling her no she cannot play! Any thoughts??
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 12, 2009 21:51:39 GMT -6
I was the original on this post and my situation was different because we where Middle School and it sounds like you are talking about high school.
So EVERYONE was dressed on the bus for away games. I cant help with that or cant help with a trainer because we did not have one.
The story of this girl was she made it through 2 a days and then got injured. I think you have to be careful because she was injured a while before she told us, but wanted to show she could do it. I would assume that if a girl is out then she will do whatever it takes to stay in the game.
She did quit and became our MGR and we had more problems wiht her being a MGR. Now this past year I moved up to frosh level and I asked if she wanted to play, she said no, but she was a MGR again and withen in the first week more problems.
I guess what I am saying is it seems the whole Harassment thing is there more when you have girls as MGRS. at least in my ONE case.
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Post by fatkicker on Jan 13, 2009 14:08:21 GMT -6
worse than football managers....
try having a dugout full of bat girls.......
that's what i inherited anyway.....my first year at the school i moved them out of the dugout and made them wear pants instead of the up-your-backside shorts.....
you would have thought i started a civil war in this small town.......
i stood my ground and the girls that were hethens anyway quit....
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 13, 2009 19:36:23 GMT -6
Over 20 years ago I had a girl play for our 8th and 9th grade J.H. teams. Her dad said he tried his best to talk her out of it. She was dead set on playing tackle football.
Once we got through the locker room situation with her, we got to work.
In two seasons, she missed one practice. We sent her home because she was burning up with a fever. She practiced with pain and she usually came to school in a skirt. She was able to play on two undefeated teams so she got plenty of mop up time.
When boys thought about quiting I'd always point out that "Amber sticks with it and she's getting her butt kicked everyday." "You may want to think it over before you turn in your gear." For two years nobody quit our teams.
I've had three other girls play for me at the H.S. level and all earned their teammates respect because they were dedicated. Most recently I had a senior girl come out for my team this past fall. She picked to play on the line and never missed offseason weight/conditioning, spring ball, camp or practice. Her little brother played and she wanted to do this with him. She also wanted to test her own toughness because she's interested in a career in the military and said she's never tested herself physically before.
She earned our respect and admiration.
Don't look at the gender, look at the person.
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Post by k on Jan 14, 2009 1:26:49 GMT -6
This thread is much less depressing than the last one on this topic. =)
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