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Post by coache67 on Jan 23, 2007 18:16:30 GMT -6
and now it is time to gameplan. How/What do you do?
This is a question for discussion . . . How many of you guys tailor the weeks plan to what you see and your scouts give you? How many of you just "do what we do"?
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Post by phantom on Jan 23, 2007 18:34:28 GMT -6
Defensively, I don't see how you can just "do what you do".
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Post by ronkend on Jan 23, 2007 19:59:42 GMT -6
almost always offensively there are things to adjust, pass pro being one as well as basic blocking assignments that change with different fronts.
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Post by stackattack on Jan 23, 2007 20:28:03 GMT -6
We faced an out of conference team this year that refused to exchange game film. I can't imagine why and we settled on the notion that they must a "we do what we do" team. We, on the other hand, scrambled to contact teams they already faced and arranged to get film on them. Anyone here not trade film?
With that being said we diagram every play and make a formation hit chart that is included in our scouting report. I find a tendency, any tendency, because every offense has one. Some are obvious, some take numerous viewings of film to find it, but rest assured they have one. From that tendency, I build in a "check" stunt/front/coverage that will give us an edge. From those plays, I pick out the top 5 running plays and passing routes and run them against our defense during the week.
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Post by barr602000 on Jan 23, 2007 22:31:16 GMT -6
Speaking of not trading film, I strongly believe it is the most unethical part of football. There are certain coaches who do not trade film and I have zero respect for those coaches. An example would be that we were to play in our state championship game a few years ago and the teams head coach we were to face refused to trade film with us. We did manage to find film but this is something that is very wrong and should not be a part of football.
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Post by tog on Jan 23, 2007 22:57:58 GMT -6
Speaking of not trading film, I strongly believe it is the most unethical part of football. There are certain coaches who do not trade film and I have zero respect for those coaches. An example would be that we were to play in our state championship game a few years ago and the teams head coach we were to face refused to trade film with us. We did manage to find film but this is something that is very wrong and should not be a part of football. barr, can you start a new thread about this? i have always wondered how other states deal with film trade ok back on topic
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2007 8:38:54 GMT -6
Defensively, we try to "do what we do" in reference to a given opponent or offense. Sure we're going to tweek the things that need it, but our rules are solid enough in the beginning that we find our gameplan within our rules.
We play Iso a certain way, we play slot receivers a certain way, we zone blitz a certain way, we play cover 2 a certain way. When we see what the opponent is trying to do we try to emulate their blocking schemes, routes, and formations against what we do so we can work on our run fits, drops, etc.
We look for ways to exploit what they dont' do well with what we do well. We look to how they've attacked similar teams, what they do in situations, what they'll do to try and get us out of our blitz game, etc.
Then we practice our tough scenarios. Speed option is tough when it's run against a certain call, we'll rep the heck out of it because we don't want to be dictated as to what we can run. We blitz a ton so teams want us out of that. Teams attempted 65 screen passes against us last year and had 1 TD and 3 INTs. We blitz a lot so we practice against screen a lot.
We work our tails off so we can "do what we do." But that means tailoring it to fit the opponent each week. My call sheet doesn't change throughout the season very much. . .in fact I had 2 fewer calls in the championship game than I had in our season opener.
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Post by coache67 on Jan 24, 2007 23:41:01 GMT -6
Good responses. I will give you an example though. When I was an assistant coach the HC was also the OC. He came from a wing T background and I brought in a Pro style game. Every week we ran the same 26 plays regardless of what the defense was doing. We had a big strong line and good backs - we could outmuscle people regardless of how many they put in the box.
Fortunately we had a great defense and won a ton of 14-10 games.
Now I coach a spread team and what I am finding is that we don't look so much at what the defense is doing rather we find areas of the field and specific players to attack. What do you other offensive guys do and how do you implement it during the week?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 8:14:30 GMT -6
67, do you do that with your spread team because you don't know exactly what you'll get from opponents? We have a spread team in our league that on film always struggles in the 1st half, goes in at halftime, comes out and scores 4-5 TDs. It seems like you're eliminating the middle man by going that route from the beginning. Sounds like you've got that figured out, just curious if that's why you look for areas and players. When we play these guys we try to give them a ton of looks to keep them guessing. We know where our weaknesses are in our calls so we try to give them plenty of looks at everything so they can't expect that "steady diet."
Thanks.
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Post by superpower on Jan 25, 2007 9:02:51 GMT -6
Double Wing - We do what we do.
Defense - We focus on stopping their best plays, especially their top running plays.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 25, 2007 10:46:58 GMT -6
1. pass protection ... any adjustments? 2. formations ... how do they align? what are our best plays from formation vs what they do? 3. blitz tendency ... by formation? by down/distance? by field zone? what are our best formations/plays in these situations 4. blocking assignments ... any adjustments? 5. personnel matchups ... what formations & who to attack with whom? 6. additions / subtractions ... what (if any) specials or variations do we need based on a weakness or tendency? what is a "waste of time" (i.e. serves us little purpose based on what they got / do)? 7. tempo ... how do they handle changes in tempo? (no-huddle / multiple subtitutions / various packages)
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Post by playfast on Jan 25, 2007 15:05:04 GMT -6
I agree with irishblitzer about defense and building your package and adjustments. Many times we have practiced schemes of the opponent during the week but the team comes out double tight power I and plays it the whole game. If as coaches and we did a great job preparing in camp and pre season we should go right to our basic scheme that is built in and we should be able to defend that formation.
Really during the week we put some sprinkles on our packages but before we do that we must have a solid base.
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Post by coache67 on Jan 26, 2007 7:08:34 GMT -6
irishblitzer,
That is exactly it. The first few weeks of the season teams came out and did what we had seen on film and from the scouts - once we got into league play however, we saw more differences than similarities from what we saw on film.
This can cause problems for the defense though as well. In our league most teams are two (or three!) backs and try to shorten the game and win it in the fourth quarter primarily a 4-4 D league. They just aren't used to seeing a team put it up 30-40 times a game. So they try and switch it up on us, replace an OLB with a DB and play cover 2 shell with man under and we end up running on them. When they go back to their 4-4 we open it back up again. I have also found that teams really aren't comfortable playing a new d and we can often exploit that as well.
If they come out in something completely different we typically run our base play until we are pretty comfortable with what they give us and then we begin to open it up again.
We started playing the spread this year . . . I guess I started this thread b/c I felt it was much easier to gameplan as an I team and we had a good solid plan b/c we knew what the team was going to try and take away and what we had to do to counter that. Now as a spread team I just don't have that same level of confidence and feel like my old OC that I mentioned in the earlier post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 7:43:42 GMT -6
When we put together our defense 3-4 years ago part of our idea was that we could adapt to things through our rules. Surprisingly, it was one of the worst teams in our league that kind of inspired our defensive philosophy. They have no set offense. They line up in 5-wide one play, double wing option the next. A series for them may have Midline, 4 verts, split back veer, 1-back zone, 3x2 routes, aces, you name it.
They've always struggled, though, so you could really get by playing your base against them and we always believed they wouldn't get really good at anything since they did so much. But we asked ourselves how tough they'd be if they had a crew of good athletes. So we tried to get our rules established so that no matter what that team came out in and did, we'd be able to align to it. In that week we'd see everything that we'd see the rest of the season, so why not put the package together with the rules, THEN tweek it weekly as needed.
67-that's interesting about how you got to that point and how you play a favorite and then adjust. Must take a lot of patience to wait it out sometimes. thanks.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Jan 26, 2007 19:52:33 GMT -6
We "do what we do". That being said... we work the heck out of what you do (mainly with our D vs. scout). Obviously, if you go empty or swinging gate, etc., we have to make some adjustments, which are built in (like a lot of teams, we spend most of summer/pre-season going through everything we expect to see). Offensively, we work on a lot of "what ifs". Most of the time (especially if we are just flat better than our upcoming opponent), we will see a defense that they only run against us. I've spent too many weeks working on "their 43 package" when we see a 64 in the game. Mostly for game plan (against the teams I know will "do what they do"), I see things like what to run on a particular down and distance, what we should run to the boundary... what we can run wide... or to the weak unbalanced side, or who is easier to trap... who is easier to run at (usually the good guy) or run away from (slow guy). A lot of times, we will look at which formation gives us the best situation on certain base plays (option, toss, etc.).
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