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Post by coachcb on Mar 8, 2018 11:40:40 GMT -6
Just start hacking away at his playing time until he doesn't have any.. For this kid:
1st offense: lose a quarter of playing time. 2nd offense: lose a half of playing time. 3rd offense: sit out a full game 4th offense: sit out a full game 5th offense: he's quit because he's tired of sitting on the bench.
My first HC job was in an impoverished area where EVERYONE was late for EVERYTHING. My first year, I ran the hell out of the kids that were late but it didn't put a dent in the problem. The next year, we started cutting their playing time and they either got it together or they quit. Most of them quit after they lost playing time and the rest of the kids fell in line.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 8, 2018 11:50:51 GMT -6
We drug test here. If a kid is caught with drugs he out of athletics for 1 year. And yes everyone runs track. Every athlete is required to participate in 2 sports. It's in the Athletic Handbook. If they don't they are removed from athletics. You didn't answer the question. If a kid gets suspended for a game, do you suspend everyone? Of course not. But that is the logical conclusion of you have to run because Johnny forgot his butt pad and if one runs, we all run. Sorry for being a jerk there. If group punishment works, fine. Just not a hill I want to die on. I understand that you are trying to teach real life responsibility, but if one of teachers is late to school, you don't get a reprimand also do you? Public or private school. Just doesn't seem like requiring two sports would fly at a public. If private, I actually like the rule. But everyone of our kids play two or more sports anyways by choice. Jesus Christ...if we would do group punishment for teachers being late at my school, it would be every day. No doubt I would be planning a blanket party, Pvt. Pyle style! 😂
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Post by coachdawhip on Mar 11, 2018 6:39:53 GMT -6
Coach I had a kid like this...
I have a suggestion not 100% an answer.
Our kid was an All-American.
We was suspended for the 1st 4 games of the season because of a summer issue.
The prereq for him getting playing time was making it to morning workouts on time.
He had tardy issues as a junior missed some playing time as well. We didn't run him much had to try alternative methods (Kid is going to UGA on track scholarship 45.27 400, and 20.32 200 running would do nothing 2 him).
This season he knew he couldn't get to play period he was at morning workouts.
During the season we have 3 morning sessions, you miss a series for 1st late more than 10 minutes/absent, 2nd one you miss a quarter, 3rd a half. Chronic guys miss games.
During the off-season you are doing the right thing. Ours who miss pride points, that effects jersey number, helmet and shoulder pad, selection, etc......
During the season he could have to miss games.
Too me that's what you have 2 do.
Our kid was on time during the season. HAS BEEN LATE to 1st period 14 times since the season ended. We have talked he is a D1 athlete next year, everyone has talked to him we hope he gets it together in college but we didn't solve his issue.
Some of you throw away kids to easy for me, our goal is what? Yes, I have and you will have to dismiss kids. Tardies is a teachable thing. I don't know how to solve it with every kid but most we do.
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Post by aceback76 on Mar 11, 2018 8:44:44 GMT -6
I have a players who is always late by a minute or two no matter if it is practice, S&C class, team meetings, etc. We have tried it all. Punishment such as gassers, peer pressure where whole team has gassers if he is late, playing time cut, points off his grade in S&C class, getting written up for tardy in S&C class, etc. and absolutely nothing motivates him to be on time. If he didn't work hard it would be a lot easier to just boot him out of the program, but he works very hard. It is getting started that is the problem. I am at a loss short of kicking him out of the program. He is a decent player but not an All American......not that it would be any easier if he were. Any ideas? I have been a head coach for 32 years and never experienced this level of this tardy problem. I'm not going to suggest WHAT to do, nor HOW to do it (that depends on YOU), and ours would be considered too harsh by many ( I don't feel like a DAMNED DEBATE)! I will say that you MUST stop that behavior, because if you DON'T: 1. It will spread like a cancer & OTHERS will begin to to try to "get by" with it. 2. If you sell Football as something that teaches young me lessons that will someday be valuable in his life, what will happen in the business world if he is frequently late to work, or in the military if he is late to the battle? Put a stop to it by any means NECESSARY!
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Post by 53 on Mar 11, 2018 10:11:41 GMT -6
I doubt very many of any of us would work at a place that punished everyone, when one employee messed up.
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Post by benloe on Mar 19, 2018 13:06:13 GMT -6
I have a players who is always late by a minute or two no matter if it is practice, S&C class, team meetings, etc. We have tried it all. Punishment such as gassers, peer pressure where whole team has gassers if he is late, playing time cut, points off his grade in S&C class, getting written up for tardy in S&C class, etc. and absolutely nothing motivates him to be on time. If he didn't work hard it would be a lot easier to just boot him out of the program, but he works very hard. It is getting started that is the problem. I am at a loss short of kicking him out of the program. He is a decent player but not an All American......not that it would be any easier if he were. Any ideas? I have been a head coach for 32 years and never experienced this level of this tardy problem. I'm just going to ask - have you sat down with the kid? Since you've tried all sorts of punishment, you may want to try a little compassion to see if that works. I find it hard to believe that he intentionally attempts to be chronically late just for the heck of it, so there may some off the field stuff going on. Also, you're not alone (as shown in the comments), but punishing players with conditioning is stupid/uninformed. You don't want your players to consider conditioning punishment. It's one of those things where coaches do that because "that's how it's always been done", but it is really rather counter-productive.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 20, 2018 13:16:39 GMT -6
IME, tardiness is a learned behavior that very likely comes from home. For whatever reason, these students don't understand why it is important to be punctual. I hate when they give you a shocked look for being upset with their tardiness. We've all seen that "What do you mean? I didn't do anything wrong look." This look seems to be the norm for those who are always late. I don't know what the solution is here.
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Post by planck on Mar 20, 2018 18:30:18 GMT -6
I dunno that this helps your specific issue, but it's important to build a culture where early is "on-time". I've always enjoyed getting kids into pre-practice activities to 1) motivate them to be out there early and 2) keep them from jacking around before practice and causing problems. Ideally, every kid is out there for those activities, but building in a little flexibility helps. That way, you can keep admin off your back (if a kid needs to see a teacher after school, they have a few minutes) and gives the entire team there impression that they're time on the practice field is valuable.
It also takes away the attention some tardy kids want to draw to themselves by showing up halfway into cals.
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Post by 53 on Mar 20, 2018 21:03:08 GMT -6
I just give pie right after practice for the late ones. We have a clock with an alarm set and the players know if they’re not ready before it goes off, they’re getting pie.
I don’t lecture or bust their balls about it, but there’s a price to pay and they know it.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 21, 2018 7:58:28 GMT -6
I just give pie right after practice for the late ones. We have a clock with an alarm set and the players know if they’re not ready before it goes off, they’re getting pie. I don’t lecture or bust their balls about it, but there’s a price to pay and they know it. I am assuming pie is some type of punishment. I just don't make that big of deal of it. We warmup, do our conditioning. Take a short break. Do specialty. Then special teams. Then defensive stuff, then offense. If a kid is late, he has to make up any conditioning he missed, plus a bear crawl either during break time or specialty. We are consistent with this. If it is school related, just make up the running. If it is non-school related, also do the bear crawl. Including being late because of going to the bathroom. We have this rule in practice also. If you have to use the restroom during practice (non-break time), fine. I am not going to get bent out of shape over it or decide if you have to use the restroom. But, it will cost you a 100 yard bear crawl. If it is worth it to you, then go use the restroom. Don't forget, some kids just want attention. Ignoring bad behavior many times makes it go away. By ignoring, I don't mean don't discipline. I mean don't make a big deal about it. Just give the discipline. Be consistent. Move on.
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Post by coachdmyers on Mar 21, 2018 13:39:05 GMT -6
Move the start time of everything up five minutes.
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