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Post by deaux68 on Dec 15, 2007 22:39:17 GMT -6
It's easier for those of us that aren't under a media microscope. But that in it's on right is hard.
Hard to leave kids you've gotten close to. Hard to leave coaches/administration you've gotten close to. Anxious about a new situation.
This post is sort of in response to that fall out of Petrino though.
What is the right way, as a college coach, to handle changing jobs? Let's say you want to take another job and are offered the job. Seems like the media is going to find out.
Saban was dumped on repeatedly last year for denying after being asked for weeks. He stayed though and he denied it in order to try and keep some semblance of a team.
What do you do? What do you say?
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 22:52:45 GMT -6
THERE is a good question. And you are right, Saban lied about leaving for weeks, waited till the season was over...and left. Petrino Lied about leaving for a day, (just to his owner though) and left. BOTH were in tough situations, and while they took opposite methods (one lied about leaving, then left, the other just left) both seemed to handle the situations very poorly, regardless of their choice and timing.
But, you bring about a good point... Had saban not lied, and just left, we now see what would have happened. Obviously we can only speculate what would have happened if he had said no comment--and then left.
I think the problem is..that there are about 7 jobs in college ball that coaches wouldnt leave for other college jobs. So that means only 7 coaches each year out of the hundreds of college head coaches aren't always looking for the "next"
The major barrier to the Petrino change was the time differences. It was TIME for ARK to name a new coach and hit the recruiting trail, but it wasnt time for the NFL season to be over.
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 15, 2007 22:55:58 GMT -6
Actually Saban did say no comment for quite awhile and kept getting the question asked. He finally broke down. Looked like to me he got POed and reacted. A real shocker for anyone that knows him.
And speaking of owners. The Dolphins owner was commendable of Saban all througout the process. Or at least on the day he left.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 15, 2007 23:14:23 GMT -6
Why can't you just say that "State Univeristy" is an oustanding institution. I would be honored to be their head coach. But right now I am the head coach of "Big City Mascots." I will not address any rumors until after the season out of respect for all parties involved.
Now, if the coaches would all get together and agree to say that every single time whether they are interested or not, wouldn't that help?
And if the coaches didn't all agree to that, couldn't you as an individual coach start off your new job by telling your owners or college president, AD, team, and boosters, that will be your standard repsonse to any questions regarding your status. That way you don't have to deny anything. You just say your canned response and let it be and nobody gets upset.
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 15, 2007 23:22:56 GMT -6
Why can't you just say that "State Univeristy" is an oustanding institution. I would be honored to be their head coach. But right now I am the head coach of "Big City Mascots." I will not address any rumors until after the season out of respect for all parties involved
That sounds great, but the questions are still gonna come. Early in the Saban, denial he said "Alabama is a great university but I am the head coach of the Dolphins." The questions kept coming and he finally broke down.
I've had a talk with two media types and they say their is no right way to do it. You either get bombed by the press or you let your team down (and apparently get bombed by the press, a la Petrino).
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 15, 2007 23:24:04 GMT -6
silky--sounds good in theory, but unfortunately (and as deaux68 points out) NO COMMENTS does not = STOP ASKING in the eyes of the media.
Your first example basically happened a few weeks ago with the Les Miles/Michigan thing..and we see how that went.
Basically, if you are asked, and you dont categorically say NO...then the question will always linger.."why not just say no....?"
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 15, 2007 23:49:55 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Dec 16, 2007 7:54:43 GMT -6
silky--sounds good in theory, but unfortunately (and as deaux68 points out) NO COMMENTS does not = STOP ASKING in the eyes of the media. Your first example basically happened a few weeks ago with the Les Miles/Michigan thing..and we see how that went. Basically, if you are asked, and you dont categorically say NO...then the question will always linger.."why not just say no....?" Y'all are correct that it sounds good in theory. But, I didn't really make my point understood. You tell you team when you get there that is what you will say. The main thing is that you don't want to lose your team. If they know early on that is what you will say then they might not get that upset. Treat the players as grown-ups, especially in the pros. They know they can get cut, traded, get a better contract. They understand the business side. They know that you will not be there forever or if someone offers you a better job that you will leave, because they would too. Why can't you just cocach your butt off for them and give all you got, but still be honest? I think that coaches way underrate what players and a team can handle. I understand that Saban kept getting hounded and lost it. but when you lose it is when you really reveal you character. that is one reason i don't like Saban. When he lost it, he lied. |
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 16, 2007 17:33:17 GMT -6
Why can't you just say that "State Univeristy" is an oustanding institution. I would be honored to be their head coach. But right now I am the head coach of "Big City Mascots." I will not address any rumors until after the season out of respect for all parties involved. Now, if the coaches would all get together and agree to say that every single time whether they are interested or not, wouldn't that help? And if the coaches didn't all agree to that, couldn't you as an individual coach start off your new job by telling your owners or college president, AD, team, and boosters, that will be your standard repsonse to any questions regarding your status. That way you don't have to deny anything. You just say your canned response and let it be and nobody gets upset. I have always thought the same thing. If all the coaches would have the same reply to this question and stick to it each and every time weather you are interested or not or been contacted or not then nobody would have reason to speculate anything(i know they still will). No matter what you will have to face the press when at a big time team. You always have to answer questions about the team, player, wins and loses, weather, and everything else so use the same response every time and no one can say well you said no or yes or maybe. IMO ;D |
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 16, 2007 17:51:04 GMT -6
until they start tracking planes, tickets, itineraries ......
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Post by cmow5 on Dec 16, 2007 21:42:50 GMT -6
until they start tracking planes, tickets, itineraries ...... True, but let them follow your every move who cares? As long as every one has the same response each and every time then no one can ever say well YOU said this or YOU said that. Then if you do take the job no one will call you a lier. If you say yes, I am interested then you hurt your team if you say no I am not then you are a lier, but if you say "So and So is a great institution and I am honored to be mentioned, but right now I am concentrating on my team" then what can they say.Even if you have no interest in the job keep saying it until they announce the new coach. I know it might not be that easy, but what other option would you have |
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Post by tye2021 on Dec 18, 2007 14:13:48 GMT -6
This is why I havea love hate relationship with Belichick. I hate him because he's with the Pats. And I am a Dolphin fan.......yes even now thru dark times.
But the thing I luike about him is he stays the course. If he doesn't want to talk about it he wont! Ask all you want. If its rumor based or if he feels its a destraction to his/team goals he will not respond. And his team is extension of their coach because they will not respond either or they will all give the same vanilla response.
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