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Post by carookie on Feb 11, 2018 0:56:38 GMT -6
So I feel like I am alone on this, but I thought I'd check (at the risk of coming off arrogant). Am I the only one who doesn't really get much from coaching clinics?
I have been to enough clinics and seen enough speakers where I don't think its an issue of sample size, but I don't feel like there is much value in clinics. With all the online resources available (such as this website) and the vast exchange of knowledge going on I honestly don't feel like I get anything new and useful from clinics.
I get that some people can use them as professional development hours; and the good times I have had afterwards can't be beat. But am I the only one who gets little from clinics in regards to useful information or ideas that I ever implement on the field or in my program? If you do get something from clinics what do you usually get, how much do you get, and how often do you implement changes? What am I missing?
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2018 1:05:19 GMT -6
I get a lot of new ideas at clinics. Do I get a helluva lot? Not at this stage of my career. I don't always get something great either. When I was younger it was a great way to learn about all facets of the game. Hell, the NFL OL coaches are worth it even if only for entertainment value.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 11, 2018 5:14:14 GMT -6
I understand that with all of the new ways to get info that clinics is not the only way to benefit but I still think they are a good thing. If nothing else, they can confirm that the way you do things is ok. I doubt that I've ever left a clinic where I didnt get an idea that was applied and helped our program. There are good speakers and bad speakers. And sometimes I've picked up good things just talking with other coaches while not in actual session. I've been in this coaching gig a long time and still a benefit from most clinics.
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Post by CS on Feb 11, 2018 5:47:15 GMT -6
You just have to pick and choose wisely. I have seen some really good speakers this weekend and some that I just got up and walked out on. All in all I will always learn more on Huey but I have always learned something at a clinic. Plus the school pays for it so what is there to lose š
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Post by realdawg on Feb 11, 2018 6:57:53 GMT -6
I think if you have been at this a while and are pretty set on what you are gonna do X and O wise then you are probably not gonna gain any earth shattering info. However, there isnt a single clinic that I go to where I dont gain some little nuggets of info. A new blitz or stunt, a little tip on teaching a technique etc... Are there speakers where you set there bored to death and think "man, this guy is a fool!" yes but there is always something gained.
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Post by jackedup on Feb 11, 2018 7:26:14 GMT -6
I agree with what a few these guys have already said. Do you get great info? Sometimes. But really it's about validation at this point in my career. But also, it's not about the "what"... but more about the "how". I'm constantly looking for new ways to think about what we're doing and new ways to teach what we're doing. I really enjoy the small phrases that you can pick up that might help your kids learn how to play their position.
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Post by mrjvi on Feb 11, 2018 7:28:19 GMT -6
Clinics specific to my schemes are helpful because the other people running it have little things they've found to do stuff better. High School ones are better for me. I get as much off of coachhuey as anywhere.
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Post by coachjm on Feb 11, 2018 8:16:02 GMT -6
I can get more info on-line at a faster rate.... However, I feel I get key phrases, instructional techniques, and ways to teach better from meeting/listening to other coaches. My favorite method is to go meet with a staff but I do enjoy listening to a good presenter. At our state clinic the last few years we have had several staffs that all run the schemes come together and meet and this has been a great clinic within the clinic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 8:30:03 GMT -6
Depends on whos speaking and on what topic.
Sometimes i prepare a list of questions prior to a clinic when i know a specific speaker is there that way i get the answer directly from the source
But it all depends on the WHO is doing the talking and on WHAT
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Post by coachklee on Feb 11, 2018 8:35:46 GMT -6
I agree with what a few these guys have already said. Do you get great info? Sometimes. But really it's about validation at this point in my career. But also, it's not about the "what"... but more about the "how". I'm constantly looking for new ways to think about what we're doing and new ways to teach what we're doing. I really enjoy the small phrases that you can pick up that might help your kids learn how to play their position. I think I get at least 1 āHowā from every speaker... How to build culture through the weight room...have definite expectations such as truly squatting parallel & insist kids do it. How to combo better...aim for your teammate instead of the defender. How to spill better...run the circle (although Iād seen & heard of it here, some film at a clinic completely sold me). How to get better blocking out of our Slots...have an extra flat & wide arc path which also matches the route they run on PA. How do you get more reps...pods & half-lines...took the offensive idea & implemented it on the defensive side (better than what I already was trying). Probably a countless number that I now take for granted. I get the scheme part of things. Other than diversifying coverages vs Trips, there are few if any schematic additions or changes weāll make this off-season. However, all these little āhowā things are still going to come up either directly from speakers or more often because Iām sitting there & take an idea from a speaker & use it to answer a problem we have. I think just the fact that you get as much of your staff together thinking, talking and excited about improving the program is a huge benefit! Although Iāve noticed staff discussions at lunch are always remembered better or at least more accurately than dinner or late evening discussions...
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Post by cjamerson on Feb 11, 2018 8:41:30 GMT -6
I believe Steve Channell sums it up during his presentations. His presentations always start with āWhat Clinics Provide...ā
1. Confirmation - What we are doing is right. 2. Evaluate- The āHowā to the things we are doing. 3. Information/Ideas - Cause brainstorming among staff. 4. Copy the idea or scheme 5. What we canāt do or wonāt be able to do.
Recently, this is how we approach clinic sessions.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2018 10:11:44 GMT -6
I understand your feelings
I feel as though clinics have become a little "watered down"
-feels like every speaker is talking 4-2-5 or spread RPOs
Plus as you learn more you feel you are just hearing the same info said over and over in different ways
When i started coaching clinics were amazing to me, i learned SO MUCH. the online community, twitter, etc has really helped most of us learn year round not just clinic season
A couple years ago i started looking at clinics differently... you cant learn a new offense or defense at a clinic i go into each speaker's session trying to learn 1 thing
not 1 play necessarily... one THING could be a coaching cue one wrinkle one adjustment one drill
heck even one good story
if i learn one thing, then it made me a better coach
getting confirmation of something you are already teaching is helpful as well
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Post by tmtfootball on Feb 11, 2018 10:21:03 GMT -6
Goal of going to a clinic is pick up one thing that will help your program. Not revolutionize, but help augment what you already do. Also, I've picked up quite a bit by sitting down with other coaches while attending clinics.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 11, 2018 10:24:55 GMT -6
I've been to one clinic in 3 years, don't think I've missed out on much.
I would rather go an inch wide and a mile deep at this point and clinics are by nature the opposite.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 11, 2018 10:29:33 GMT -6
Not to hijack the thread I do get stuff out of clinics but besides being fun..I get almost nothing out of all-22 film
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 11, 2018 11:22:47 GMT -6
90% of what I get out of clinics are contacts and relationships with guys doing the same grind that I'm doing. Are any of us really running anything different? We have our beliefs and why we do what we do, but I'm always looking for a little tweak that is the same thing I'm teaching, but maybe a better way of communicating it with my kids. Most of the clinics I attend now it is mostly to meet guys from this site and have fun with my friends from all over the country. Just met coach Vint got the 1st time ever in Vegas, gonna meet up with coach Gower in Reno, then I have guys like jgordon1 pvogel Coach Huey and dcohio coming to our clinic we are hosting over st Patrick's day weekend. You can always walk away with 2-3 things football related, but 100 things non football related in the process. Its kinda like the cafeteria at school... if you just hang with your crew and don't mingle with the guys all around you... you are missing out.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 11, 2018 11:26:08 GMT -6
I've been to one clinic in 3 years, don't think I've missed out on much. I would rather go an inch wide and a mile deep at this point and clinics are by nature the opposite. We gotta get you out to SLC again coach!
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Post by agap on Feb 11, 2018 11:28:44 GMT -6
Like the others have said, I try to get at least one thing from each speaker I listen to. I probably got more this weekend at Glazier than I've gotten in the past five years.
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Post by stilltryin on Feb 11, 2018 13:24:36 GMT -6
Depends on your expectations. I'm a long way from thinking I know all I need to know, but I used to be disappointed if I went to a clinic and didn't come out of every hour with something useful, which meant I got disappointed a lot. Now I look forward to the drive with my HC, and the chance to talk without being interrupted ... to seeing coaches I might not otherwise get to talk to, and comparing notes with the other guys on our staff. And if I come away with something new that works for me, it's a bonus. Kind of like coming on this site.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2018 13:40:05 GMT -6
I am looking forward to the Reno Glazier clinic for the social aspect of it
i think we are going to get our whole staff up there for some bonding There are a few guys on this board who i would love to meet while there as well
I am going to view the trip as a fun experience, and if i learn some football there then awesome
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 11, 2018 13:45:51 GMT -6
I am looking forward to the Reno Glazier clinic for the social aspect of it i think we are going to get our whole staff up there for some bonding There are a few guys on this board who i would love to meet while there as well I am going to view the trip as a fun experience, and if i learn some football there then awesome I'll come find you in Reno
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2018 13:58:05 GMT -6
I am looking forward to the Reno Glazier clinic for the social aspect of it i think we are going to get our whole staff up there for some bonding There are a few guys on this board who i would love to meet while there as well I am going to view the trip as a fun experience, and if i learn some football there then awesome I'll come find you in Reno Sounds good coach!
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Post by **** on Feb 11, 2018 13:59:12 GMT -6
Like the others have said, I try to get at least one thing from each speaker I listen to. I probably got more this weekend at Glazier than I've gotten in the past five years. Where at and who?
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 11, 2018 21:47:19 GMT -6
My takeaway from clinics isnāt one where Iām redefining what we do on any side of the ball but rather a nugget here or there thatāll help me become a better coach.
For example a few years ago I was watching a clinic on a spread offense that involved quick screens. I didnāt learn any new plays or formations but I learned a coaching point that never occurred to me. Just tell the quarterback āgrip it and rip itā. Why does it matter if itās a perfect spiral?
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Post by agap on Feb 11, 2018 22:31:44 GMT -6
Like the others have said, I try to get at least one thing from each speaker I listen to. I probably got more this weekend at Glazier than I've gotten in the past five years. Where at and who? Minnesota The new DC at Oklahoma State and the Viking's assistant DB coach
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2018 23:25:23 GMT -6
Another thing about clinics is that often I learn things that I didn't expect to earn. When I read a book, look at a video, or ask a question on this forum, you're looking at a narrow area. I've learned a lot of things at clinics that I didn't kn ow that I needed to earn.
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