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Post by pantherpride91 on Oct 9, 2007 7:35:53 GMT -6
Here in Ohio there has been an growing debate as to whether a league title really even means that much anymore. Of course all coachs would love the idea of a league title, state playoffs, and state title.
But the question I have is for all of you out there is the goal at the beginning of the year a league title or a trip to the state playoffs? Would you rather have a league title and no playoffs or no league title but get into the playoffs with a shot at the state title.
There have been a few teams around here that did not win their league, but went on to win the state title. There have also been schools that won their league title but due to a weak pre-conference title did not make the playoffs.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 9, 2007 7:48:25 GMT -6
Here in Louisiana, If you win the league, you get an automatic spot in the playoffs. The rest of the teams are selected by powerpoints, and the seeding is by power points.
There is no perfect system, and as with any mathematical system, if you understand it, you can manipulate it, especially here in the lower classes where you get bonus points for playing higher classes. A few years ago, a 9-1 league champ had to travel to a 5-5 wildcard (power point) team for the first round of the playoffs. The 5-5 team was able to manipulate the math, and schedule up..ensuring power points for playoff seeding.
I think there needs to be more emphasis on league titles at every level, BUT I truly think that the NCAA basketball tournament craze, and the playoff mentality of pro sports has put an end to that.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 9, 2007 11:49:20 GMT -6
If I was in a situation where there was ambiguity, I would say playoffs are more important that a league title. However, where I currently am, you have to be in the top two spots in league to make playoffs and the seeding is done by how well you did in league. If it were any other way, what is the point in having a league?
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Post by daddison on Oct 9, 2007 11:54:09 GMT -6
Here in Oklahoma City, we have 3 major leagues and 1 up and coming league in youth football; each runs their league differently. Our league has a regular season and then ranks the teams for a single elimination playoff with the champion getting the "league title."
Then the top 2 or 3 teams also get a birth into an All-City tournament against the other 3 leagues in the city with the finals being on live TV (local cable channel).
Our team's goal is to win the All-City title. We play the same teams year in and year out in the league, and it has been the same 3 teams placing 1st, 2nd and 3rd. We look forward to the All-City for a chance to play different teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 12:03:50 GMT -6
In IL, at least at the programs I've been a part of, the emphasis seems to be on winning you five or six games to get into the playoffs. Five wins makes you playoff eligible, six guarantees a team a spot.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Oct 9, 2007 12:32:07 GMT -6
If I was in a situation where there was ambiguity, I would say playoffs are more important that a league title. However, where I currently am, you have to be in the top two spots in league to make playoffs and the seeding is done by how well you did in league. If it were any other way, what is the point in having a league? That is exactly what is going on here in Ohio. There is no real point to leagues anymore. We have this elaborate point system with 2 levels of points and many variables effecting those points. We are under the same system where smaller schools get rewarded for beating bigger schools and then you get points for their wins. So some smaller schools look to schedule weak schools that are bigger just to gain that points advantage. That way they can get away with a couple losses and still make the playoffs. |
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Post by wildcat on Oct 9, 2007 12:39:39 GMT -6
In IL, at least at the programs I've been a part of, the emphasis seems to be on winning you five or six games to get into the playoffs. Five wins makes you playoff eligible, six guarantees a team a spot. Glenn - I agree...I think that making the playoffs is the goal of most coaches, probably because making the playoffs in Illinois is easier than winning a conference title. |
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Post by carookie on Oct 9, 2007 14:38:19 GMT -6
Having played my HS ball, and always having coached, here in california state playoffs are nothing but a pipe dream. They barely started crowning state champs last year, but thats only by having +1 games for (one for big school, one for mid sized, one for small) and thats just by taking one top ranked team in the polls from so-cal and one from no-cal. There are plenty of teams down here that run the table and never get a sniff of a state championship. There are ten regional sections in cali, the southern section (where I'm at) has 13 divisions for our section alone; each division has its own 16 team playoff; that means just in the southern section alone over 200 teams make the playoffs. Granted this is by far the biggest section (most other sections have only 5-6 divisions); still when all is said and done; over 50 CA high schools each year celebrate a season ending win in the playoffs and put a CIF ring on their finger, and many teams with losing records who make the playoffs.....that oughta keep the parents happy.
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