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Post by chaconj on Oct 15, 2007 9:11:34 GMT -6
i couldn't find any threads on it, but what do you guys think about that offense? i watched neveda vs boise and it was a great game.
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Post by fbdoc on Oct 15, 2007 11:07:18 GMT -6
The Pistol has been talked about several times already on this board. We actually made the move to put it in during Spring and were fairly happy with the results. However, after a few games and a few injuries to some key players (including the QB) we shelved it and went back to our base system (under center one back Fly). I still like it - the main reason we went to it was for the speed option look it provided but with our mix of kids, it just wasn't the best fit. We may go back to, but for now the pistol is back in the holster.  |
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Post by airman on Oct 15, 2007 11:28:52 GMT -6
I am currently working on a adaption of the pistol the run the run shoot. I like the idea of being able to attack right and left with the rb on the screen and this is just not as functional in the offset gun.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 15, 2007 11:40:57 GMT -6
we moved to it this year. I am pretty happy so far. lots of little things still need to get ironed out, but we are getting there.
one of the tough things about the pistol is that it is not a defined offense. you can run anything out of it. that said, we are tewaking everything to make our plays fit into a system. still have a ways to go, but, like I said, happy with it so far
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Post by spartancoach on Oct 15, 2007 12:46:32 GMT -6
Tried it, scrapped it. We are a spread option team (midline, zone read, veer). Things were going very well but we toyed with the pistol to break/hide tendencies based upon back alignment. However, the alignment of the back threw off the angles when putting the DT or DE in conflict and it was easier for 1 to play 2. (Speed option was great from pistol though.) Went back to the offset back and now use motion to break/hide tendencies.
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Post by ccscoach on Oct 15, 2007 12:50:49 GMT -6
We went to it and love it. We are a zone blocking team and this has given ability to be a little softer up front.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 15, 2007 13:06:11 GMT -6
Well, my thoughts are that it is really a formation, and not an offense. There are some formations that are indeed often "offenses" --such as the dbl wing or the wing-t.
From a defensive perspective, the "pistol" is really just a one back spread offense, with the qb backed up a bit. It doesn't change anything, other than most coaches will probably set their front to the Field instead of to/away from back predicated on their gameplan.
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Post by lochness on Oct 15, 2007 13:24:29 GMT -6
Well, my thoughts are that it is really a formation, and not an offense. There are some formations that are indeed often "offenses" --such as the dbl wing or the wing-t. From a defensive perspective, the "pistol" is really just a one back spread offense, with the qb backed up a bit. It doesn't change anything, other than most coaches will probably set their front to the Field instead of to/away from back predicated on their gameplan. I agree, it's really not an offense, and it's really no different than the "under center" stuff you run from the same looks. |
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Post by chaconj on Oct 17, 2007 8:02:06 GMT -6
i guess i never thought of it that way coachd, great point.
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Post by CVBears on Oct 17, 2007 9:41:50 GMT -6
our AD is convinced it is an offense and the only way to run it is UNR's way. I compeletely disagree
The more I learn, the more I agree with 5085
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 17, 2007 11:54:17 GMT -6
The Pistol is a formation in which you can run a lot of different offensive schemes from (spread gun, flexbone, I, split back veer, etc.)
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Post by lj on Oct 17, 2007 13:00:22 GMT -6
Has anyone had much success running the Triple Option out of the Pistol Formation? If so, have you had to make many changes with RB and QB paths for the reads? I'm really new at the Pistol, but it seems to me that the QB could really get a good read off of the hand-off key and get his shoulders squared up easier to start running downhill and read the pitch key. Would Outside Veer be easier?
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 17, 2007 14:49:40 GMT -6
I agree with coachd, and add to it the fact that I find it actually counterproductive for many of the things it is supposed to be productive for. Primarily the zone-read stuff. I feel like the pistol fake actually hurts your ability to get the crossing running threats at the point of attack the way the regular shotgun does.
And then in terms of everything else...what is it doing exactly? I understand the principle: that just like a normal single back offense, with the back aligned behind the QB, the runner can go either direction. But why do you need to be in a 3 yard shotgun to do this? Again I find the reading aspect of it a non-starter, and that would have to be the best reason for the 3-yard shotgun.
I suppose it could have some added benefit for the triple (because you could get a playside dive back rather than having the backside zone run like the normal gun option) but you still have to fiddle with your formations and even give away other tendencies to get your pitch back in formation.
Anyway, there's other nitpicky points. But I guess I find it a somewhat futile "split-the-baby" attempt to get a one-back offense but still cash in on the whole "gun option" craze. I mean I'm not saying it's an inept offense, and when a team can block run, and fake it will be successful whether under center or in traditional gun. But I just find that the pistol adds very little.
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 17, 2007 20:24:21 GMT -6
I feel you can run the triple option using the concepts of the flexbone formation. It is a much easier read for the QB on the HOK and gets him attacking down hill on the pitch key. I've never run the pistol but I feel that this would be good.
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