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Post by CVBears on Sept 8, 2007 15:25:48 GMT -6
All this week, people have been calling for Carr's head/job. I thought the people calling for his head are rediculous. However, Oregon is putting the hurt on them right now. 32-7. Are you freaking kidding me? Whether right or wrong, it might be a very quick season for Carr.
Maybe they can comeback. Who knows?
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 8, 2007 15:44:14 GMT -6
Yes! This is the reason you run the spread! Michigan is SO big and strong and powerful. Last week they were exposed and now the Ducks are doing it again. Great "Fake" Statue of Liberty play! Oops, now they have to punt...
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Post by brophy on Sept 8, 2007 15:44:23 GMT -6
maybe people will get fed up with the hype of the Big Ten for once.......just maybe.....and save us all the drama.
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Post by herky on Sept 8, 2007 17:39:42 GMT -6
maybe people will get fed up with the hype of the Big Ten for once. What Big Ten hype have you been hearing?? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2007 17:42:13 GMT -6
That's what I was wondering. I'm a Michigan fan (  ) and a Big Ten fan, but I thought it was pretty much understood that they were the weakest BCS conference there was except maybe the Big East. |
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Post by tedseay on Sept 9, 2007 5:34:00 GMT -6
maybe people will get fed up with the hype of the Big Ten for once. What Big Ten hype have you been hearing?? You mean you've already forgotten "Florida doesn't belong on the same field as Ohio State?" ;D  ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2007 8:15:35 GMT -6
That was one team, though. I think people last year knew the Big Ten sucked, but thought Ohio State was that good.
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 9, 2007 9:12:59 GMT -6
preseason polls .... um, why do we need them? really, how many of these games would be "upsets" if we didn't have a poll released until 3 or 4 weeks into the season?
it is obvious that the prognosticators were way off on michigan. from what i've seen, VT isn't performing up to the predictions ... and, for that matter, neither is Texas.
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Post by brophy on Sept 9, 2007 10:02:13 GMT -6
preseason polls .... um, why do we need them? really, how many of these games would be "upsets" if we didn't have a poll released until 3 or 4 weeks into the season? it is obvious that the prognosticators were way off on michigan. from what i've seen, VT isn't performing up to the predictions ... and, for that matter, neither is Texas. that makes sense, but then what would be the motivation to schedule anyone other than Central State Tech University in your first three games? If all Illinois plays in the first three games is; Bilbo College, Smitty University, and Mother of Deliverance Tech.......and look like World Beaters........how good can you really say Illinois is? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Sept 9, 2007 10:55:43 GMT -6
preseason polls .... um, why do we need them? really, how many of these games would be "upsets" if we didn't have a poll released until 3 or 4 weeks into the season? it is obvious that the prognosticators were way off on michigan. from what i've seen, VT isn't performing up to the predictions ... and, for that matter, neither is Texas. that makes sense, but then what would be the motivation to schedule anyone other than Central State Tech University in your first three games? If all Illinois plays in the first three games is; Bilbo College, Smitty University, and Mother of Deliverance Tech.......and look like World Beaters........how good can you really say Illinois is? how good? about as good as you can say BEFORE they have played any game at all. now, the schedule ... games = money. scheduling ALL turds = less money. but, that is insignificant. what this arguements is leaning towards is that an undefeated record means more than anything ... as in, if I play teams that are deemed to suck but beat them soundly and you play teams that are deemed good and barely beat them then my wins mean more so i'm ranked higher? well, this may be the case to some of the voters -- since many don't appear all that bright in the first place. however, i think the coaches would be able to discern the better teams. i mean, we can watch 2 teams play and see that, hey, this team is way over-matched talent wise but the winner has some flaws in how they do things, etc. the perfect system? i.e. parody, etc. ... well, that is the nfl and we've already discussed how great that is. my original point was now that michigan has been beaten soundly 2 weeks in a row we now see that picking them #5 was a very poor idea and miscalculation. if app. state were to beat an 0-2 michigan team this coming week, would it be as "monumental" an upset as it was when michigan was #5? same teams, right? just different "rankings"? |
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 9, 2007 12:16:08 GMT -6
Michigan can line up in I backs and pound away at anyone in the country...that is what they are built to do both offensively & defensively because of the teams they face year to year.
They are not equipped to deal with a spread team very well because of this...They will be fine once they face teams that run the ball 50+ times a game from the I in the Big 10..
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Post by fbdoc on Sept 9, 2007 12:48:01 GMT -6
Even though Oregon runs the spread, they still managed to pound Michigan on both sides of the ball. Are the Wolverines a Bottom 10 team? No they aren't, but the Ducks (and the Mountaineers) are pretty good and their records are 2-0! Next week - on the National Stage - Michigan vs Notre Dame! And what are their records?
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Post by redbudfan on Sept 10, 2007 8:29:20 GMT -6
Their record is the same as Florida State.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 10, 2007 9:54:49 GMT -6
Whatever...Someone needs to get fired if this season continues like it has. It's ultimately Carr's fault, but next in line for the HC is Ron English, the DC...and we have all witnessed where UM's weakness has been- we can't stop people! (34 and 39 points back to back weeks) He's just as at fault as Carr.
And for all you Big Ten/UM haters out there, enjoy the fleeting moment. 860-284-36, 73% winning percentage, winningest program in NCAA history. When the cycle of football swings back to pounding the ball, Big10 will still be jammin' the ball up people's a$$es and be strong again.
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Post by coachveer on Sept 10, 2007 11:04:29 GMT -6
Slow on Defense....Henne is struggling to make reads on offense....
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Post by fort on Sept 10, 2007 11:24:47 GMT -6
Now they've got true freshman Ryan Mallatt in at QB, as if things couldn't get any worse. He's a big physical guy and supposedly has a very live arm, though. Could be the battle of the freshman this weekend: Mallatt vs. Clausen (though ND ought to go back to Demetrious Jones and the few spread looks they showed GT, IMO, based on UM's trouble with athletic QBs).
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Post by coachnorm on Sept 10, 2007 14:05:44 GMT -6
"BMW offense, with a Chevy Metro defense."
Hey, I drive a Metro, What are you trying to say!!!!!!! (lol)
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Post by airman on Sept 10, 2007 17:56:19 GMT -6
they could still finish liek 10 an 2 if they win the rest of there games. not a bad season. might need to be done if carr wants his job.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 11, 2007 20:43:09 GMT -6
Ted Ginn 4.35, Anthony Gonzalez 4.4, Leon Hall 4.4, Antonio Pitmann 4,4...the list goes on & on
Come on guys, get real. Speed is all over the place- Big 12, SEC, ACC, WAC, PAC, and Big 10...
Now if you want to say "Big 10 bowl record sucks the last few years" or "Michigan has really $hit the bed this year" then that's cool- both of these arguments can be backed up with a little researchable evidence.
You knuckleheads need to stop regurgitating what you hear on College Gameday and put down the "there's no speed except for in the SEC" kool-aid. Corso's word is not scripture- it's OK to come to your own conclusions.
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Post by brophy on Sept 11, 2007 21:50:08 GMT -6
Pro Days are great. Playing speed is another.
I'm am not arguing with you about this, but the speed that Florida, LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, and now Alabama plays with is completely different than the Big Ten.
I'm not hating on the Big Ten, I'm just saying it doesn't measure up and I'm FROM Big Ten country.
The minute the Big Ten starts having a Big Ten Championship game in November, I might open up to the validation of the conference.
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Post by fort on Sept 12, 2007 7:00:48 GMT -6
This wont help ND. and unlike so many coaches I dont believe Weiss will abandon his system. The mixing and matching of option football and drop back passing game in almost every case except one is nearly a dead issue. They started the season with it, so it's not something I just pulled out of my rear. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 12, 2007 10:36:57 GMT -6
WhiteMIKE, YOu dont get it. blah blah blah...BTW check the numbers...blah blah blah...it is yet another to have a team full of studs. Hey Jerk I Get It. I just think that arguement is horsecrap. It's an overplayed excuse as to why SEC has more success (and the Big 10's lack of) in the past few years. Big 10's lack of success is nature of the beast. Just read cqmiller's post above. Maybe Big 10 coaches will catch on and starting putting all of these studs they have on the rosters in space and doing it right back to teams. I'm not arguing that the performance of the Big 10 has been horrible and I agree that it is one of the weaker BCS conferences. But stop whining about team speed and just give props to the coaches/kids that play in the other conferences- they are playing better football anyway you cut it. And those combine times are correct...not that 40 times mean that much, but it is the only comparable measurement of this so-called "team speed" everyone talks about. PS Brophy- the avatar cracks me up |
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Post by fort on Sept 12, 2007 11:35:56 GMT -6
Well then I apologize for the mistake. but I do believe mixing in"a little option"; is a mistake. Oh, I certainly don't disagree at all. In fact, I think part of the reason his traditional offense is struggling so far is because they worked a decent amount of time with Jones in the spread during fall camp rather than focusing solely on Weis' normal game, then pulled Jones after a quarter (I don't think Jones was the problem; it was the awful OL). I personally think Weis is a genius, but he messed up big time here, IMO. I'd still rather see Jones in either way at this point. |
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 12, 2007 13:19:30 GMT -6
I am one of the fans who thinks the SEC is by far the best conference, but I don't think you can judge an entire conference by a couple of teams who do not match up scheme wise...There are only about 4 or 5 schools in the country that can match up with ANY offensive scheme, and ANY defensive scheme...
1) USC
2) LSU
3) Oklahoma
4) West Virginia
5) Maybe Texas, Maybe Cal, Maybe Florida, Maybe Georgia, Maybe Auburn
When Oregon faces a team with just as much speed on defense as they have on offense, then they will struggle (USC, Cal). Just like Michigan struggles against teams that have a lot of speed on offense.
No offense if I left off anybody's favorite team, but those teams have recruited well enough to run the ball down your throat if they need to, as well as pass the ball down your throat as well.
As far as defense...the front 7 of All of their defenses are outstanding and can make up for any scheme deficiencies they may face...
I think we should do away with the polls until the BCS poll comes out in week 8. That way we have a good idea of who the best teams in the country are by their play on the field, not just what we projected from the year before.
Remember to keep prospective on the fact that a team is only as good as its WEAKEST player. ANY team can be exploited if they have a weak link.
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Post by airman on Sept 13, 2007 12:06:49 GMT -6
Pro Days are great. Playing speed is another. I'm am not arguing with you about this, but the speed that Florida, LSU, Arkansas, Georgia, and now Alabama plays with is completely different than the Big Ten. I'm not hating on the Big Ten, I'm just saying it doesn't measure up and I'm FROM Big Ten country. The minute the Big Ten starts having a Big Ten Championship game in November, I might open up to the validation of the conference. why does a championship game mean anything. all it is, is another way to make some more money on the backs of the so called student athletes which really should be name indentured servants. all now is this, the graduation rates of southern schools lag far behind the graduation rates of big ten schools. LSU during the sabin era was around 25% Purdue gradutes 60 % of there students athetes in the tiller era, even more when they were not so go. I mean northwestern is aorund 90% but they are a unique school. I venture a guess most of the sec student athletes would not last long at a big ten school. History is a great server when it comes to student athletes. the better the student, usually the less athletic he is. the better the athlete, the less brains he typciall has. sure every team has sever cross overs but most are not. |
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Post by brophy on Sept 13, 2007 13:04:46 GMT -6
why does a championship game mean anything So are we talking FOOTBALL or overall academia? Well, Tulane has more Nobel Prize winners in their alum....but that ain't gonna mean a hill of beans when we're talking FOOTBALL. Why is a championship game important? Well, if Nebraska bounces Oklahoma out in the Big 12 Championship game in November, should Oklahoma still be ranked in the Top 5 in the BCS? More than likely, they won't. But if Michigan, Ohio State, and Wisconsin have winning records at the end of the year, we will declare a co-champion or whatever, and you could have all three of them in the top 8 in the BCS polls, which is a little ridiculous seeing how no other conference in the Nation has that luxury. The only way you would move legitimately closer to a DI playoff system would be to take the winners of each conference championship. Then you would have the best of the best, no complaints, because it is all settled on the field. If you did otherwise, you would have what we have now.......total reliance on AP / Coaches (overrated) polls. |
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 13, 2007 13:14:38 GMT -6
Don't buy all those "graduation rates"... They are based on a set of numbers that 50% of NON-ATHLETES don't even meet these days. The average time it takes the average college student to graduate with a 4-year degree today is 6 years... These are people who don't even compete in athletics. ALL of these people would not be counted toward the graduation rate of a school under the rules of these "graduation rates". JUCO transfers also do not count, so teams who accept JUCO kids are hurting their graduation rate numbers, and any transfers are not counted as well... Even with these kids not counting, a Liberty University study of graduation rates shows that student-athletes are about 20% higher graduating rate than the normal student body: www.libertyflames.com/media/1912/compliance/NCAA%20Addendum.pdfI don't think any of these schools are saints as far as academics are concerned, but all of the concern over student-athletes not meeting academic standards are not as high as people want to say. With the new NCAA Clearinghouse rules, a college bound athlete has to do MORE work in high school to play in college than his classmates need to to go to the same school... But that is a different topic for another forum...The big 10 just doesn't have the athletes to keep up with teams that recruit to run the spread... Just like Nebraska couldn't recruit players in the mid 90's to continue to DOMINATE everyone else using their option attack. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Sept 15, 2007 20:37:37 GMT -6
Alright guys, it's official- THE BIG TEN IS AT LEAST BETTER THAN INDEPENDENTS!
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Post by brophy on Sept 15, 2007 20:40:20 GMT -6
Week 2 makes it official --- there are no weak sisters in the SEC!!!!!
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) and a Big Ten fan, but I thought it was pretty much understood that they were the weakest BCS conference there was except maybe the Big East.
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