drvols
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Post by drvols on Apr 17, 2006 6:46:01 GMT -6
I am a second year volunteer coach at the high school level. I will have the o. line this year. I would like to get more comfortable in defensive recognition and knowing where and how to attack certain defenses. Does anyone have any suggestions on books, tapes, or just general information on how to better prepare myself. I am a newby to this board, I have been lurking for awhile and just love this site. I have learned so much from you guys. I have told our entire staff about this site and they like it as well . Thanks guys you have been a great help.
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2006 7:09:23 GMT -6
Being an o-line coach is a great way to learn the strengths and weaknesses of various defensive fronts. I suggest you start with one defense (say, a 4-4). Draw up your running plays with blocking assignments against it. Which plays look good? Which don't? What adjustments could/would you have to make?
That's where I started as a young coach many moons ago when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Then, keep reading this board and asking questions. Good luck.
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Post by tog on Apr 17, 2006 7:10:49 GMT -6
learn defenses, they all have weak points
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2006 8:03:36 GMT -6
keep it simple.
Learn the COVERAGES you will face. The coverages will the determine the front. The front (& coverage) will determine how they support the run.
Fritz Shurmur's "Coaching Team Defense" is the best book at explaining the simple tenets of defensive structure without trying to be a fancy-pants.
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drvols
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Post by drvols on Apr 17, 2006 8:22:44 GMT -6
I just ordered the book thanks. Could you explain "learn the coverages and you will know the fronts and then how the coverage supports the run" I have heard this several times but no one has ever explained it to me . thanks
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2006 8:31:22 GMT -6
In high school, you probably won't see too much funky stuff....just Cover 3, Cover 2, 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 coverages...There are lots of ways defenses can give a disguise, but as long as you get a basic understanding of what they are trying to do, you ought to be okay.
Get a coverage indicator by identifying the FS and the MLB. How are the corners playing the receivers?
middle safety with one rolled up and/or corners backed up...giving a 3 deep look, you know your force players are going to be the OLBs....beat them and the perimeter is yours....depending on the shading of the line = you will probably have a weakside bubble available. If the Dline goes head up, find the weakest one of the bunch and attack them.
get rolled up corners with a 2 safety high look, you got Cover 2 or a version of Cover 4, etc....know your perimeter force players are going to be the corners. If you can run them off or manhandle them with bigger receivers. The MLB will generally be over the center and will likely be coming free because it will be so difficult to get a hat on him. This defense is evened up and you can just run to the numbers.
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2006 8:36:20 GMT -6
I think that's a lot of stuff for a second-year volunteer coach just beginning to work with the offensive line, broph. I feel he should focus the first year on blocking assignments and adjustments while the head guy and/or OC worry about the perimeter defense. Once he's got his part of the game under control, he can expand the second year.
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2006 8:47:03 GMT -6
defense isn't that difficult...
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2006 9:07:54 GMT -6
...depending on your experience, background, and knowledge base.
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drvols
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Post by drvols on Apr 17, 2006 9:19:08 GMT -6
Thanks brophy, that is exactly what I am talking about. We run a lot of option and knowing who may have what responsibility is a big help. We have a young head coach that is somewhat limited on experience but a great guy. Given time he will be fine. I just want to help him anyway I can. Blb I already have all my blocking schemes and put together a lineman manual that is 95 pages just on the run game. So you guys keep it coming if I don't understand it. I will for sure ask. thanks guys a great great help. and again keep it coming
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2006 9:23:29 GMT -6
In that case, listen to brophy. Great Googly Moogly, he knows whereof he speaks!
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2006 9:28:57 GMT -6
I already have all my blocking schemes and put together a lineman manual that is 95 pages just on the run game. Our defensive playbook is a flip-comic on the back of a beer stained bar napkin.
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Post by blb on Apr 17, 2006 9:32:11 GMT -6
My college coach told me "Defense is what you do when the offense screws up." Or, was it "...while the offense rests"?
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Post by brophy on Apr 17, 2006 9:40:48 GMT -6
My college coach told me "Defense is what you do when the offense screws up." Or, was it "...while the offense rests"? He must've been one of those offensive-minded-commie-pinko-subversion-ball-hiker-types
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Post by coachmacplains on Apr 17, 2006 16:21:35 GMT -6
My college coach told me "Defense is what you do when the offense screws up." Or, was it "...while the offense rests"? He must've been one of those offensive-minded-commie-pinko-subversion-ball-hiker-types
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Post by jonnyboy on Apr 17, 2006 17:41:17 GMT -6
The best thing I have ever heard of/done is to play checkers. I think it's Tedford (used to be OC at Oregon and now HC at Cal) plays checkers with his players. He takes the black checkers and puts a formation on the table (not on the checkerboard) and the QB takes the red checkers and defends him.
I've done this and it's amazing what the QB's learn and me too! Every piece I move on offense has to affect at least one defensive player. Plus, when you say "I've run the ball successfully 5 plays in a row...What are you going to do?" and the QB moves his SS in the box he now can visualize the trouble he is in with a PAP. Then you switch and have the QB play offense and you play defense...look for bubbles on the defensive line, alignment of linebackers and corners. It's better than drawing on the board because you have to erase players and then re-draw, whereas with checkers the kids actually see the players move from place to place. It's also better than video because you can't move the players on the screen.
Another great tip I learned was to take one of your favorite formations on offense and play defensive coordinator against it! Take away the best plays out of the formation. Now as a offensive guy to have to counter and so on and so forth.
The first thing I do on Sundays is take their base defense and draw it up against all of our formations (based on film or my best guess) and see where they will have trouble. Abuse those formations during the week, set up some defensive counters and blitzes to it and then show the kids how to beat the counters.
Each defense has an inherant weakness and strength...there are some formations that work better vs. some defenses than others, each defense has different stress points due to how they react to stopping your best play(s).
Draw a ton and ask a lot of questions.
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kdcoach
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Post by kdcoach on Apr 18, 2006 4:36:15 GMT -6
Love the checkers idea Coach...I spend a lot of time with my QB and that seems like a great exercise for us!! Thanks.
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drvols
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Post by drvols on Apr 18, 2006 4:58:12 GMT -6
thanks johhnyboy great info. I love the checkers idea. any tip on what defenses specific weaknesses are. say 5-3 4-4 4-3 those are the three we will see the most of. thanks again
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Post by saintrad on Apr 18, 2006 6:22:39 GMT -6
Yes jonnyboy, Tedford (former ORegon OC and now Cal HC) plays checkers with all his QBs. I used to have time with him during the Oregon Coaches CLinincs each year where he would do the same thing with all of us (at the time) middle school football coaches. In addition to having them set up the defenses, they also had to run a play and move the offensive pieces as Tedford moved the defensive pieces and explain to him what the defense was doing, how his players would make thier adjustments and how their reads would change, PLUS what effects there were on the protections. Trust me on this, it was more than just a simple game of checkers.
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