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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 5, 2008 11:32:10 GMT -6
Today, the coaching profession as a whole, lost a great coach and a great leader. I know he didn't coach football, but the man knew how to coach. He stood by his beliefs and coached the game the way it was supposed to be coached. He didn't cave to pressure and he didn't change (which could have been his downfall). He graduated students from college with degrees (degrees in real majors, not pottery and some other make believe majors). He taught boys how to become men and how to stand up and fight for things. He coached TEAM basketball and TEAM sports.
I know this is a football site but I hope people realize that he was more than just throwing chairs and choking kids and that if we as coaches were allowed to have more freedom in the way we coached, that maybe there wouldn't be as many problems with the athletes of today (i.e showboating, gloating, taunting, celebrating)
Just my two thoughts....and this is is coming from somebody who is only 30 years old.
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Post by davecisar on Feb 5, 2008 11:39:59 GMT -6
I dont know much about the man or even basketball for that matter. But I do like to study successful people or coaches in any sport, John Woodens book is gold etc
He must have been very good, heck he won at ARMY ;D
Indiana is Indiana, but he led them to an undefeated season, last one in College Basketball.
TExas Tech Basketball was a joke before he got there, no tradition, no players. They ended up being competitive and playing in NCAA tournaments etc.
That part of his leagacy is hard to argue with.
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Post by ghscoach on Feb 5, 2008 11:44:35 GMT -6
Indiana is Indiana, but he led them to an undefeated season, last one in College Basketball. Coach Knight had a great deal to do with making Indiana what they are. |
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Post by ram7gm on Feb 5, 2008 11:53:17 GMT -6
Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, coaches like Knight are being phased out in today's society. IMO, kids don't respond to the kind of old-school, verbal-intensive coaching that a lot of us grew up with.
Likewise, I don't think many administrators, parents, etc. would tolerate a coach like Knight.
I don't think we'll ever see another coach like BK. And I think that's a shame.
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 5, 2008 11:58:51 GMT -6
For every 1 thing he did wrong, he did 100 things right...his graduation rate alone for the teams he coached is un believable. The temas he coached did things the right way, which usually was his way. he wasn't in to flashy or high-flying dunks (while at Indiana) but he won, and he won a lot.
A little story about Bobby Knight...while he was at Indiana, he was recruiting Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson as a senior in high school. He had an appointment to meet Big Dog Robinson at his (Robinson's) house at 9:30am. When Bobby Knigh arrived, Glenn's mother answered the door and told Bobby Knight that Glenn was still sleeping but that she could wake him if he would give her a few minutes. Bobby Knight left and disconitnued his recruiting of Glenn Robinson. he said if Glenn Robinson wasn't motivated enough to be up on time for a coaching visit, then he wasn't the type of kid he wanted to coach.
The man is a legend...and I hope to someday have a positive impact on the football players that I coach the way he did with his athletes.
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Post by midlineqb on Feb 5, 2008 11:59:10 GMT -6
Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, coaches like Knight are being phased out in today's society. IMO, kids don't respond to the kind of old-school, verbal-intensive coaching that a lot of us grew up with. Likewise, I don't think many administrators, parents, etc. would tolerate a coach like Knight. I don't think we'll ever see another coach like BK. And I think that's a shame. This is what is wrong with our society today. We are phasing out the things that have worked and trying to give into every whim of the athletes and students. Coach Knight was/is a great coach, leader of men, inspiration to many; that sometimes let his emotions take over. If you look at his record he never violated the rules and always had what is called "student-athletes." He is a coach that should be studied to understand how to coach student-athletes no matter what sport one coaches. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 5, 2008 12:07:36 GMT -6
Ummm...Just curious....didn't we completely RIP petrino for leaving during the season.....
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 5, 2008 12:16:16 GMT -6
Petrino also left to take a new job, new money, and left the team without a coaching staff ready to take over after he told the GM and players how much he loved Atlanta and how he was going to stay there.....Bobby Knight did not leave for a new job or more money, and he has been grooming his son, Pat, to take over, which is what he is doing. Plus, Petrino couldn't hold Knight's jock in any type of coaching.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 5, 2008 12:19:10 GMT -6
A great coach and motivator that did himself no favors with the media. He didn't have to act like a jerk to still be a great coach.
As a coach, and a leader to his players, he appears to be an A-
As a person, he appears to be an F
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 5, 2008 12:26:24 GMT -6
I think that F grade would depend on who you talk to though...the media might hate his guts (although some might love him because he always gave them good sound bites) but ask Mike K from Duke and I bet he would give him an A as a person. Again, what you see in the media isn't eveything there is...and there are a lot of people who treat the media like idiots (deservingly so???)
I agree with liberalhater....there are a lot of old school coaches still out there, just that a lot of the stuff happens behind closed doors, and if we had more old school, we would have less "new fool" like T.O. and Chad Johnson, etc...
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Post by dubber on Feb 5, 2008 15:11:21 GMT -6
Coach Knight was/is poorly protrayed by the media.
He was unprofessional at times, but that is not a reflection on his character---nor the lasting impact he had on the young men he coached.
Knight played at OSU, who recruited him along with Miami of Ohio. When Coach Knight decided to go to OSU, he called the HC at Miami and asked if he was in his office. The coach said yes. Knight then got into his car and drove 4 hours to tell the HC that he was going to OSU.
He felt he owed it to tell the guy face to face.
He then got back in his car and drove 4 hours back home.
Bobby Knight has done some bad things (throwing a chair, using poor language, etc.), but his character and loyalty to his players should never be questioned.
And yes, judging by my avatar, I love my Hoosiers.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 5, 2008 15:16:14 GMT -6
"A great coach and motivator that did himself no favors with the media. He didn't have to act like a jerk to still be a great coach. As a coach, and a leader to his players, he appears to be an A- As a person, he appears to be an F" Since when did the media determine who the man is? I dunno, maybe the quote "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." was taken out of context... |
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Post by coache67 on Feb 5, 2008 17:27:12 GMT -6
Coach Knight will be missed. Had the opportunity to meet him through his son while he was working at Akron.
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 6, 2008 12:23:47 GMT -6
Digger had a good point yesterday. He said Coach Knight left now because of personnel changes at the school which means he wanted to make sure Pat got the job instead of the school looking for a replacement. Also, they have 5 games at home in row which will make the transition for Pat a lot easier. They still might look for one after the season, but at least Pat can make himself a front runner if he does good.
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Post by cmow5 on Feb 6, 2008 12:50:15 GMT -6
I thought they had 5 home games in a row, but I just seen there schedule and I was wrong.
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Post by airman on Feb 6, 2008 14:43:08 GMT -6
bobby knight bit the hand that fed him. I am not a big media guy at all. however you just can not treat people like he did and expect them to think highly of you.
he would cuss reporters out during interviews.
treat others as you would like to be treated goes a long way.
now i do understand that the media can ask some stupid questions. however instead of taking the time to education the media, coach knight berated them.
I like a lot of what bobby knight stands for. I just have a hard times liking the character of bobby knight.
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Post by burtledog on Feb 6, 2008 16:47:40 GMT -6
BK would make me wince, but he was a great coach and helped make great men. The change is fathers in the home and the changes in parenting. He grew up with a greatest generation dad. The challenge to manhood and acceptance of the challenge was what made men. Today we would never harm someone's ego, they may not recover and thereby become little more than what they are when they start. My Peewee football coach wasn't much different than BK (no cussing) but we 11-12 year olds fought to get his respect as young men. BK challenges, very few coaches can get away with it now. Coach K has a way of doing it, but it is a lot softer than what was common with Woody Hayes and Bobby Knight.
Greg
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Post by dubber on Feb 6, 2008 18:59:13 GMT -6
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Post by NC1974 on Feb 6, 2008 19:18:28 GMT -6
I can't claim to know everything about him but I'll pick two that I do know...
1. there was a point in his career where he regularly disrespected the refs and collected a bunch of Technical fouls. To me this is a lack of self-control and discipline...that is not the kind of example I would want set for my players
2. He was known to verbally, and on occassion physically intimidat and humiliate his players...again, poor role model.
Now we can talk all we want about old school and new school but to me there has always been a right way and wrong way to treat people and act. HE was a poor role model in both these categories.
p.s. not that anyone has suggested this, but it seems to me that ther are those that belive that you have to be an A$$hole to teach toughness and competitiveness. I couldn't disagree more. I think a great coamparison in this case would be Knight and one of his former assistants, Coach K from Duke. Both highly successful, highly demanding, but in my humble opinion there is no question which one I would want my son to play for --- because he does it the right way.
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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 7, 2008 11:33:37 GMT -6
FCC74, you make some great points...but the fact that Bobby Knight has never once been accused of illegal recruiting, cheating, or NCAA rules violations i think goes a long way in speaking of his character...as does the fact he graduates 95 percent of his players, both at IU and Texas Tech....i agree...he has done some really dumb things and sometime went overboard with media, refs, and some of his players.....but I have heard numerous stories and interviews with Mike K's former players and players he recently coached on the Olympic team who have said he must have fallen right out of Knight's mold because he can get pretty "aggressive" in his coaching behind closed doors.....that is the diffeence...a lot of coaches (Coach K at Duke included) who act just like Knight does, but they don't do it in the public eye!!!
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 9, 2008 2:02:08 GMT -6
What about him leaving with 10 games left? He stated in an interview this morning (ESPN Mike and Mike) that he resigned at this time so that his son would have 10-11 games as a Head Coach to get him acclimated to the position for next year. Just my opinion, but that reason sounds as self-serving as any other (more money, different team etc. )
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