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Post by brophy on Nov 26, 2007 11:15:31 GMT -6
LSU / ARRR-kansas game had some great elements of playing man-to-man all game long (Arkansas) and how the inside throw (flag) doesn't really work so hot against man-coverage (final LSU 2-pt play)
[keeping the discussions geared toward coaches and not fan-speak]
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 26, 2007 11:33:31 GMT -6
LSU / ARRR-kansas game had some great elements of playing man-to-man all game long (Arkansas) and how the inside throw (flag) doesn't really work so hot against man-coverage (final LSU 2-pt play) [keeping the discussions geared toward coaches and not fan-speak] Especially when they're playing inside leverage specifically to take away that throw!
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 26, 2007 11:43:32 GMT -6
LSU / ARRR-kansas game had some great elements of playing man-to-man all game long (Arkansas) and how the inside throw (flag) doesn't really work so hot against man-coverage (final LSU 2-pt play) [keeping the discussions geared toward coaches and not fan-speak] One thing I was wondering when watching the game was why the guy was not playing inside leverage from the start. The first two touchdowns the guy had was just pitch and catch. No inside help because of the blitzes and the guy was playing head up on him. The wide out did not give him any special moves, jsut a stem outside and cut across his face. On the the last play they had a free safety and I could not see the play all the way but it looked as though he had moved inside. In my teaching method, I tell the guys if we are going to bring heat down by the goal line you are out on an island make them throw the fade to beat you not a quick slant.
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Post by threeback on Nov 26, 2007 12:20:39 GMT -6
The slant/wheel worked pretty doggone well for Arky with Hollis (I think that was the guy's name) lined up at a wing. That OC had some huge n-ts calling that play like 15 times TO THE SAME SIDE. Ok, Ok, I'm exaggerating, but it just blew my mind how LSU kept man that side and the doggone WR would pick the LB and the wheel would be open. I give the LB credit, he defended as best he could, but come on- the wing had outside leverage pre-snap and they had a pick route coming too. In OT, when they ran that play, my wife literally thought I was going to slam the TV to the ground when I started yelling "PICK WHEEL!!, PICK WHEEL!!!" over and over again presnap. And when they completed it, let's just say that there were not good words coming out of my mouth. Wife was nearly rolling on the ground laughing at me in all my stupidity. In retrospect, LSU definitely did not deserve to win that game. Two turnovers to start the game in great field position- two field goals. I think 4 drives started at or past the 50. Being a die-hard LSU fan, this game drove me absolutely nuts. The #1 team in the country takes those types of factors and turns them into a good ole' fashioned behind the woodshed a--beating. Offensively, it seems to me that LSU lacks an identity. I understand being diversified, but my goodness. A fake QB sneak with a skat backside on 4th and 1?? Give me Hester and a cloud of dust. Defensively, you can tell they are banged up, but I just didn't see that intensity that was there to begin the season.
Oh well, no national title game, but I'll still support 'dem Tigers no matter what.
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Post by dsqa on Nov 26, 2007 18:52:27 GMT -6
pantherpride
For what its worth, Matt Flynn had a first degree shoulder separation on the two point play in the early part of the game, (14-14) had to be injected to continue playing with numbing meds. That is why the end of the half pass fell so short - major pain. Not saying he needs to be your favorite, but sometimes, more info can paint a different picture. Perilloux may run better, but his throwing decisions and accuracy just aren't on the same level at this point.
I think it is tough to lay the faliure on him when LSU needed to score to tie at the end and he made the plays constantly then and in Overtime. The pick on the last 2 point play was the fourth consecutive double slant Crowton called with 5 wide- not sure about that call - Crowton is usually more creative.
I lay this one off on the Defense of LSU that has continually asked the offense to make up for their lack of plays throughout the season, and especially the other night. McFadden controlled the LSU defense, much like Tebow in the Florida game.
I was at the game, and painfully watched repeated opportunities to stop Arkansas go by the wayside, much like Kentucky and throughout the season. McFadden, Jones, and Hillis was quite a combo when McFadden was at QB - Looked like Single wing shotgun - deadly stuff - LSU had no answer. Arkansas went to motioning Jones and Hillis toward Mcfadden in the gun like the jet, ala WVU, and it created all sorts of problems. The repeated look with different plays was very effective.
Being there I was able to pick up on some pretty ineffective pass combos against Arkansas' man coverage. LSU didn't call the out route until the 3rd quarter, and the DBs were 8 yards off playing inside leverage the whole game! They kept trying to get underneath inside, and it didn't seem to be there.
The LSU receivers got little to no separation from the Ark DBs the whole game, and LSU only went deep( sort of) 4 times in the first half. Hardly a threat to Arkansas.
The point I am making, is that being there gave me a different vantage point than TV, and kudos to Arkansas, they are tough in the secondary. But, the route packages weren't that effective in my opinion. Matt has had his moments this year, but I think the Identity thing threeback mentioned makes sense. They run some funky stuff, LSU does - really strange screens, etc.
Just my take from being there...
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Post by tedseay on Nov 27, 2007 8:05:42 GMT -6
I was at the game, and painfully watched repeated opportunities to stop Arkansas go by the wayside, much like Kentucky and throughout the season. McFadden, Jones, and Hillis was quite a combo when McFadden was at QB - Looked like Single wing shotgun - deadly stuff - LSU had no answer. Arkansas went to motioning Jones and Hillis toward Mcfadden in the gun like the jet, ala WVU, and it created all sorts of problems. The repeated look with different plays was very effective. Coach Slack: One of the things I fault Houston Nutt for the most (and it's a long list) is not making better and more frequent use of these "WildHog" tactics this season...Arkansas has shredded defenses with McFadden receiving the direct snap and Jones in motion, and yet game after game Nutt has reverted to a more traditional scheme with much less consistent success. A coach weighed down by tradition, IMO, to his team's detriment.
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