lsuguy1
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 24, 2007 9:45:24 GMT -6
what did you guys think of it? i no longer think lsu is a national championship team, haven't been since the first 3 games of the season. a lot of it is playcalling. hester was averaging 4 yards a carry. give it to him on the last 2 point conversion!!!!!!!!!
thoughts?
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Post by Yash on Nov 24, 2007 9:49:24 GMT -6
I'm pretty happy about it. I dislike LSU and I"m not a Les Miles fan so I'm glad that we may have some real sleepers playing in the National Title. I'm hoping for a WVU vs KU or mizzu game. I don't want to see OSU in there. Can't stop the run, can't win a national title.
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lsuguy1
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 24, 2007 9:52:03 GMT -6
not to be mean but why do you hate LSU? i hate usc because they supposeadly(sp?) won so many nc's.
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Post by Yash on Nov 24, 2007 10:02:32 GMT -6
I just really don't like LSU. Has something to do with the butt whooping they laid on my Irish last year.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 24, 2007 11:52:02 GMT -6
It all came down to stopping the run. McFadden is an unbeleivable athlete and it's a 2 horse race for the heisman against Tebow. It's a wonder how Ark. has lost so many games with a rushing game that explosive. They are a great team to watch.
LSU got Ark. twice in the goal-line with the double slant and finally Ark. DB jumped the route to knock down the final pass of the game. LSU went to the well too many times on that one.
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lsuguy1
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 24, 2007 11:53:22 GMT -6
oh yeah haha
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 12:09:17 GMT -6
One of the thoughts I had coming out of that game was Matt Flynn is bad.....Outside of a couple games this year there is no way this guy is a starting QB for the number 1 team in the nation
I dont follow LSU closely but what happened to the two QB system they had working at the beginning of the year? I know Perrilloux got in trouble but is there any other reason he is not on the field. When you starter begins a game 7 for 30 or whatever he was shouldnt you bring in the back up, who is head and shoulders better than your starter?
After watching some of the playcalling and decision making I hope Miles goes to Michigan...It will give the Buckeyes a few more years to lay it to the team up North
Also, McFadden is the real deal. That was the first time this year I have got to sit down and watch him play and there is no way he is not the most explosive and dynamic player in the country.
What about Arkansas taking him out on the 4th and 3 and then again on the game winnning two point conversion. Talk about confidence in your number 2. Felix Jones may be a top 5 back in the nation as well. Like spos21ram said, how have the lost so many games?
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Post by elkabong on Nov 24, 2007 17:15:41 GMT -6
triple overtime.....
Tenn / Kentucky heading into its FIFTH overtime....
you have to admit THAT is coaching, where you have to make some significantly strategic decisions.
oh, and they are all SEC teams....lol.
LSU, ARK, TENN, KENTUCKY, AUBURN, GEORGIA.......hopefully there are no Big 10 teams in the BCS picture.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 17:48:19 GMT -6
triple overtime..... Tenn / Kentucky heading into its FIFTH overtime.... you have to admit THAT is coaching, where you have to make some significantly strategic decisions. oh, and they are all SEC teams....lol. LSU, ARK, TENN, KENTUCKY, AUBURN, GEORGIA.......hopefully there are no Big 10 teams in the BCS picture. As of now, Arkansas, Kentucky and Auburn are not even ranked in the BCS top 25 and will not figure in the BCS picture. Ohio State is #5, and figures to move up two spots because at least two top four teams will lose (LSU and Missouri/Kansas). Illinois is #17 but too far out to be considered for the BCS.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 21:13:48 GMT -6
triple overtime..... Tenn / Kentucky heading into its FIFTH overtime.... you have to admit THAT is coaching, where you have to make some significantly strategic decisions. oh, and they are all SEC teams....lol. LSU, ARK, TENN, KENTUCKY, AUBURN, GEORGIA.......hopefully there are no Big 10 teams in the BCS picture. Why is there so much hatred in the South and elsewhere for the big 10? There has not been one team this year that has impressed enough to warrant a #1 ranking, but Ohio State across the board is as sound as any other team in the nation. I would take their O-line and beanie wells every day of the week. Is beanie the best in the nation? No, but he is a great blend of size and speed and only a soph.
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Post by brophy on Nov 24, 2007 21:23:40 GMT -6
triple overtime..... Tenn / Kentucky heading into its FIFTH overtime.... you have to admit THAT is coaching, where you have to make some significantly strategic decisions. oh, and they are all SEC teams....lol. LSU, ARK, TENN, KENTUCKY, AUBURN, GEORGIA.......hopefully there are no Big 10 teams in the BCS picture. Why is there so much hatred in the South and elsewhere for the big 10? There has not been one team this year that has impressed enough to warrant a #1 ranking, but Ohio State across the board is as sound as any other team in the nation. I would take their O-line and beanie wells every day of the week. Is beanie the best in the nation? No, but he is a great blend of size and speed and only a soph. "rankings" is one thing, and doesn't necessarily equate to the quality of the team. The BCS is just a way of pointing out a team's record. Harvard could go 15-0 but if they are playing cream puffs, they have the BEST RECORD, but are they really the best team? Big Ten gets hyped and hyped as a great conference because those schools have been around for 390 years and have all these championships (that were won when there were only 4 universities in the Nation). Point is.....if the Big 10 whipped up on each other and the entire conference from top-to-bottom was competitive, then the 2 best teams in the conference meet in a championship game....THEN, it'd probably have some good teams. As it stands now, the Big 10 whips up on 3 dirt ball program to open. Faces maybe 1 or 2 of the top schools in the conference (OSU, MU,PSU) dodges the other big-time school then plays mediocre team after mediocre team in the conference (MSU, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, etc). Specifically, MY BEEF is......OSU, Michigan, and Minnesota could realistically ALL be in the TOP 5 in the country by the year's end....and by BCS standards, compete for a NC....which (IMO) is unfair to the other conferences and the fans. The conference needs a champion.....the two best teams in the conference need to square off against each other (until a playoff system is devised....don't hold your breath) The SEC & Big 12 are at a disadvantage because their conference is full of teams that can compete. Now LSU was arguably the best team in the country in the first 3 weeks....but they haven't been the same team since they played Tulane. The expectation,passion, execution has severely diminished. Bottom line, the shake-up in the BCS (missouri, Hawaii, etc) is good for college football.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 21:50:35 GMT -6
The SEC & Big 12 are at a disadvantage because their conference is full of teams that can compete. What qualifies a team as one that can "compete"? The admittedly weak Big Ten has 10 bowl-eligible teams, more than the two conferences you mention.
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Post by Yash on Nov 24, 2007 21:55:03 GMT -6
actually the SEC has 10 bowl eligible teams as well.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 22:04:14 GMT -6
actually the SEC has 10 bowl eligible teams as well. Ok, I'll give you that. But 10/11 beats 10/12.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 22:05:05 GMT -6
Oh dont get me wrong I love seeing the shake up in the BCS. The system is flawed in so many aspects.
Second thing, the Big 12 is far from competitive from top to bottom. Baylor, Iowa State, and the pink shirts at Nebraska are about as lame as you can get. Even the SEC has its bottom feeders in Vandy and Mississippi. Now you will not get an argument that I think the SEC is better than the Big 10. But to say you can throw the Big 12 in there is a bit of a stretch.
Ohio State did play some cupcakes this year but keep in mind they have won a national championship recently. They also played a home and home with Texas the last couple years and I believe have a home and home with USC set up soon.
Keep in mind as well, outside of LSU, no SEC team went out of conference against a top 25 team and won. Tenn was the only other team to play a top 25 team and go waxed by Cal and then you had Alabama losing to University of Louisana at Monroe.
The SEC is at no disadvantage. I would love for the Big 10 to get with teh program and schedule a championship game but we will see.
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Post by brophy on Nov 24, 2007 22:18:29 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be a "fan" of any conference or any teams with these statements, btw.
I am from Big 10 country.
But, for example, if your team goes 10-5 in the AFC West is a LOT different than going 10-5 in the NFC East
and that is where this 'argument' is going...... SEC East and SEC West is a world of difference than looking at the level of competition in the Big 10.
We're arguing conference standings and BCS rankings.....
both of those are what are considered in the pairings for these bowl games
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 22:28:21 GMT -6
What makes the whole world think the difference between the Big 10 and SEC is so great?
Are we going off one game last year (Florida vs OSU). Keep in mind OSU beat the unbeatable Miami Hurricanes a few years ago.
In Big 10 country we have 2 of the top 5 states for hs football. Most of which stick around and play their college ball in the area. Just because the Big 10 does not have the wide open spread attacks alot of SEC teams use, does not make it the bottom scum of football.
I am not trying to play conference favorites either. Just take a little bit of offense when people stating putting down the level of football played here.
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 24, 2007 22:33:06 GMT -6
In three bowl games last year between the Big Ten and the SEC, the Big Ten won 2 of 3.
Penn State beat Tennessee Wisconsin beat Arkansas Florida beat Ohio State
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lsuguy1
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 25, 2007 7:55:33 GMT -6
i agree about your views on how good lsu has been, brophy.
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Post by wildcat on Nov 25, 2007 8:37:02 GMT -6
I'm not trying to be a "fan" of any conference or any teams with these statements, btw. I am from Big 10 country. But, for example, if your team goes 10-5 in the AFC West is a LOT different than going 10-5 in the NFC East and that is where this 'argument' is going...... SEC East and SEC West is a world of difference than looking at the level of competition in the Big 10. We're arguing conference standings and BCS rankings..... both of those are what are considered in the pairings for these bowl games I have to disagree with this... Vanderbilt? Mississippi State? Kentucky? Alabama? Mississippi? South Carolina? Are any of those schools considerably better than the weak sisters of the Big 10 like Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, or Michigan State? I think that the top 2 teams in the SEC are better right now than the top 2 teams in the Big 10, but, the also-rans in both conferences are pretty much the same. I really don't think that there is a "world" of difference... It has not been a good 12 months for the Big 10 or football in the Midwest in general...embarrassing bowl game losses for OSU and Michigan and Notre Dame last year, the Appalachian State win over Michigan eariler this year...no doubt that the Big 10 has had problems...with that being said, I don't think that there is a huge world of difference between the major BCS conferences.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 25, 2007 8:51:49 GMT -6
I just like seeing the big-boys go down this year no matter who they are. Maybe all this topsy-turvey stuff will lead to a post season tourny the March Madness.
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Post by brophy on Nov 25, 2007 9:01:02 GMT -6
I have to disagree with this... Vanderbilt? Mississippi State? Kentucky? Alabama? Mississippi? South Carolina? Are any of those schools considerably better than the weak sisters of the Big 10 like Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, or Michigan State? with all due respect, yes, those schools ARE considerably better (IMO). talent for one, and competitive coaching for another. Vandy has severely improved this year (though have fallen in recent weeks) Kentucky was a top 5 team early in the year before leadership issues bogged them down Miss State & Sly Croom have made a dramatic turnaround this season Alabama has made a world of change this year and CAN compete with any team (all their games were close this season). South Carolina is in the same boat as Alabama....great game management that allows them to hang in games before talent catches up with them. On PAPER, both teams shouldn't be as compettitive as they are. I am not sure you have seen these teams perform this year based on these statements. But then again, neither of us are sports writers so it doesn't matter, right? here is my biggest problem. When was the last game OSU (big10) played?.......last weekend.. when is their NEXT game? oh, thats right, they don't play by the same rules as the rest of the country, so as long as they build up as much momentum before their last game.....then let all the other teams beat the crap out of each other, and they can get the fat bowl bid
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 25, 2007 9:40:57 GMT -6
When was the last game OSU (big10) played?.......last weekend.. when is their NEXT game? oh, thats right, they don't play by the same rules as the rest of the country, so as long as they build up as much momentum before their last game.....then let all the other teams beat the crap out of each other, and they can get the fat bowl bid So its Ohio State's fault that there is no Big Ten championship game? What about the Big East? No championship game there, either.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 25, 2007 10:32:08 GMT -6
I have to disagree with this... Vanderbilt? Mississippi State? Kentucky? Alabama? Mississippi? South Carolina? Are any of those schools considerably better than the weak sisters of the Big 10 like Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, or Michigan State? with all due respect, yes, those schools ARE considerably better (IMO). talent for one, and competitive coaching for another. Vandy has severely improved this year (though have fallen in recent weeks) Kentucky was a top 5 team early in the year before leadership issues bogged them down Miss State & Sly Croom have made a dramatic turnaround this season Alabama has made a world of change this year and CAN compete with any team (all their games were close this season). South Carolina is in the same boat as Alabama....great game management that allows them to hang in games before talent catches up with them. On PAPER, both teams shouldn't be as compettitive as they are. I am not sure you have seen these teams perform this year based on these statements. But then again, neither of us are sports writers so it doesn't matter, right? here is my biggest problem. When was the last game OSU (big10) played?.......last weekend.. when is their NEXT game? oh, thats right, they don't play by the same rules as the rest of the country, so as long as they build up as much momentum before their last game.....then let all the other teams beat the crap out of each other, and they can get the fat bowl bid Vandy just got smoked by a middle of the pack ACC team Alabama lost to University of Louisana Monroe at home. Now I know that is not App State but still very embarassing Just because you have a championship game does not guarantee the two best teams are playing. Prime example is the SEC championship. LSU who is most everyone eyes is playing pretty bad and by the way did not have to play Georgia this year against a Tenn. team that lost by 40 this year to Florida. I think in most people eyes the deserving teams right now are Florida and Georgia. Both Tenn. and LSU, especially LSU, backed their way into this game. Just because you have a bunch of Overtime games and teams beating one another does not make you superior. It just means you have parity through the conference. 2 out 3 bowl games last year going to the Big 10 shows from top to bottom these two are very evenly matched. SEC has alot of glitz and glamour. Outside of maybe Urban Meyer, who is an Ohio boy, there is no coach in the SEC that I would exchange Jim Tressell for.
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 25, 2007 23:32:33 GMT -6
I think that a lot of this could be solved if the Big 10 just added one more team, and had a Championship game, while the Pac-10 either continues doing what it does (has every team in conference play the other teams) or add 2 more and get a Championship game as well.
How many times do you see a Big-10 school SHOOT up the rankings because they are 7-0 in the Big 10, and Don't have Ohio State on the schedule? Or they don't have to play Michigan that year. I think a year or 2 ago, Wisconsin didn't have to play Ohio State or Michigan and at least won a "share" of the conference championship...How the h3!! does that happen?
I would like to see a playoff as well, but that (I think) will just hurt the smaller schools. Teams will joing Conferences that are 8 teams at the most, and play their 7 conference games, and be undefeated conference champs, just to get into the tournament. And many will not get into the tournament if that is all they do. They would be left out for a 2-loss Florida, or 2-loss ND (not this year obviously). I just think there has to be a GRADUAL change from the system we are in now, to the system we all want....A playoff
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Post by tedseay on Nov 26, 2007 4:04:44 GMT -6
In Big 10 country we have 2 of the top 5 states for hs football. Most of which stick around and play their college ball in the area. Just because the Big 10 does not have the wide open spread attacks alot of SEC teams use, does not make it the bottom scum of football. No, but I think you may have put your finger on a part of the problem. Having that kind of talent tends to make for coaching complacency -- it's the coaches who can't compete by recruiting bucketloads of blue-chippers every year who have to innovate on offense, defense and even special teams. The Big 10 powers have tended to lag behind the rest of the country in terms of innovation for as long as I can remember -- certainly going back to the days of Woody and Bo. That's less true with the teams further down the pecking order, though. Purdue is an excellent example of an early adopter of spread offensive concepts, but my point is they have to do something different to compete with OSU & UM. So in a "normal" year, when one of the Big 2 is atop the Big 10, they get there with the same-old-same-old offense and defense, which makes it much easier for other, more innovative programs to scheme against them -- as witnessed in last year's BCS championship game. So no, thank you, I don't want to see OSU back in the 'ship either. And don't bother with the "we have to run the ball, our weather sucks in late Autumn" argument, either -- have you ever played ball in Boise in November?
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 26, 2007 6:48:19 GMT -6
The hard thing about college football is that we do not have a whole lot of basis to go off of when it comes to comparing teams outside of a conference.
Outside of a few games, in which most teams schedule a "cupcake" or two, teams only play in conference games. It all comes down to money. If a team schedules 1 or 2 tough non conference games than they are setting themselves up for a shot of not making a big paying bowl at the end of the year.
Look at Virginia Tech. Had they not played LSU and instead played a cupcake mid major they would be in that discussion for playing for the national championship. Why will you see top college basketball teams play each other all the time? Because 4 or 5 losses will not kill them in the national championship picture because they decide it on the court!
Arguing based off of one game from last year is dumb. Until we get a play off system we will not see the type of in season non conference match ups that we hope to see. That is the only major flaw I see in college football to this point
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Post by brophy on Nov 26, 2007 7:23:56 GMT -6
I don't know a better way, but this year is on the verge of rewarding a team that does not play (OSU for two weeks) and team that doesn't make the conference championship leapfrog a better team (Georgia), again, by not playing.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 26, 2007 7:36:05 GMT -6
If Oklahoma beats Mizzou we will have two teams WVU and Ohio State that does not play conference championships
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Post by theprez98 on Nov 26, 2007 11:12:37 GMT -6
How many times do you see a Big-10 school SHOOT up the rankings because they are 7-0 in the Big 10, and Don't have Ohio State on the schedule? Or they don't have to play Michigan that year. I think a year or 2 ago, Wisconsin didn't have to play Ohio State or Michigan and at least won a "share" of the conference championship...How the h3!! does that happen? The same was Kansas didn't play Texas or Oklahoma this year.
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