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Post by Coach Klemme on Oct 25, 2017 21:29:56 GMT -6
We lost a hard fought game last night in the first round of the playoffs last night. Down by 2, with 30 seconds left, they stopped us on a 4th and 2 from the 5. The HC said to go for it and the back was stopped short. (A field goal was not an option). After the game an irate parent was dropping f bombs out loud at the coaches and yelling at the principal to fire the whole f*ing lot of us. The father was our QBs dad. He had to be restrained by his kid from coming at us while we were walking off the field. We are a 3-6 team in a program that has historically been a .500 team at our very best. This guy was one who led the charge to get the last OC to leave and he got a few other parents to yell with him.
It’s not so much that they complained, it’s how they did it out in front of the kids and belittled the whole program in front of students, other parents, and our opponents players/fans/families. It was embarrassing to see that kind of over the top poor sportsmanship after a game that was exciting to play in and coach in. I’m still sick to my stomach thinking about it all.
We did get some support from other parents today who were just as embarrassed. These clowns wonder why we loose kids to private schools. It will be interesting to see what the new AD will do. They last one was buddies with the guy and let it all happen.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 26, 2017 9:11:44 GMT -6
I know its not a real option, but whenever our school has had to deal with parents like that I always want to invite them to come out and coach with us.
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Post by bigmoot on Oct 26, 2017 12:01:38 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone.
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Post by coachZL on Oct 26, 2017 13:31:47 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone. Backbone??? Those are real? I've only heard legends of them. I thought they were just some myth. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2017 14:27:04 GMT -6
We lost a hard fought game last night in the first round of the playoffs last night. Down by 2, with 30 seconds left, they stopped us on a 4th and 2 from the 5. The HC said to go for it and the back was stopped short. (A field goal was not an option). After the game an irate parent was dropping f bombs out loud at the coaches and yelling at the principal to fire the whole f*ing lot of us. The father was our QBs dad. He had to be restrained by his kid from coming at us while we were walking off the field. We are a 3-6 team in a program that has historically been a .500 team at our very best. This guy was one who led the charge to get the last OC to leave and he got a few other parents to yell with him. It’s not so much that they complained, it’s how they did it out in front of the kids and belittled the whole program in front of students, other parents, and our opponents players/fans/families. It was embarrassing to see that kind of over the top poor sportsmanship after a game that was exciting to play in and coach in. I’m still sick to my stomach thinking about it all. We did get some support from other parents today who were just as embarrassed. These clowns wonder why we loose kids to private schools. It will be interesting to see what the new AD will do. They last one was buddies with the guy and let it all happen. I will never coach youth football ever again because of the following story. We had gone undefeated during the year and were playing in the league championship. We treated the kids well, everyone played and competed well during the year. I had parent who was p-ssed because we benched him for two games for threatening to "stab" opposing players during a game and another who wanted his kid starting at QB.. We were going to spend our final week practicing on the field we'd be playing the championship game on. Practice was to start at 5pm, period. I communicated this to the kids and the parents via a letter and texts/phone calls to all of them. I told them to let me know if they needed someone to drive their kid to practice and I'd make it work but that being late was UNACCEPTABLE. 5pm rolls around and there are 10 of the 23 kids on the team there so we really couldn't start practice. Finally, everyone was there by 530pm so I grabbed those players that were late and started running them after practice. These two parents sat in the parking lot with a few other parents, 10 yards away from where we were and dropped f-bomb after f-bomb as they complained about me, loudly (of course, their kids were late..). I told one of the assistants to take over and I walked out to the parking lot. I told the parents to either take their b-thcing session (my exact words) away from the field so they weren't cancers for the rest of the kids or get the hell out of the parking lot and come back ten minutes later. One popped off to me with another f-bomb so I walked away, called the league commissioner and all six of the parents involved were banned from practice and one was banned from the championship game. |
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Post by tothehouse on Oct 27, 2017 14:13:11 GMT -6
Early in my coaching career...I took over a varsity baseball team that underachieved and had horrible sportsmanship, etc. They also had a kid on the team who might have been the best in the area. Long story short I kicked the kid off the team. Again...leaving out a lot of what happened. AD agreed his actions warranted being removed. After the kid was kicked off the team he came to practice one day with all his gear...and started to argue with me. In the end...the kid threatened to kill me (school suspended him 5 days...that was it). Thinking it was over...about a week later dad showed up to practice...way early. Even though the kid wasn't there anymore. Dad corners me and starts yelling...I let him talk, talk, talk. I never said a word. Not a single word. Even when he stopped talking I didn't say anything. I just looked at him...blank...never talked. Not once. Totally threw the guy off...didn't know how to respond. After I got to say a few words...the dad told me that his kid could kick my ass. I went to the Principal and told him that...I've had the kid threaten to kill me and now dad is showing up threatening me. I told Admin...if something happens to me...everyone in the school district is getting sued. I had documented everything and had witnesses. Silver lining. After the jackwagon was kicked off the team we won 18 straight games.  The day we got eliminated in the playoffs I found out that I got another job. And left. |
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Post by StraightFlexin on Oct 31, 2017 6:07:50 GMT -6
This was many years ago. I was new into coaching worked under a very well established coach that did it all (super old school). During a team meeting the HC was talking to the team and kicked the side of a sides chair and said "pull your shorts up". It was a medium kick, not very hard. The kid responded with "Don't kick my {censored} {censored}", the HC excused him right then and had me collect his gear. About 45 mins later here comes the kids dad walking across our field. Seeing this I excused my kids for water and started jogging over. I heard the coach tell the dad "We can talk after practice". I was about 20 yards away when I see this dad square up and take a swing at the coach hitting the brim of his hat, the HC puts his hands up (old coach was HUGE). At this time, I'm sprinting and complete goldberg spear this dad knocking the wind out of him.
For the next few years, kids would joke around and say "Don't mess with Coach, he will take our your dad"
Crazy story, just had to share
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Post by newhope on Nov 2, 2017 9:41:13 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone. This. Administration needs to ban them. That takes care of them and anyone else who thinks it's appropriate behavior. |
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 2, 2017 10:40:10 GMT -6
that would be a calm parental interaction compared to some i have had to deal with
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Post by Spread 'em out on Feb 14, 2018 16:13:14 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone. This. Administration needs to ban them. That takes care of them and anyone else who thinks it's appropriate behavior. I've never had the pleasure of working for a principal with a spine. From stories here, it seems they are rather rare. My second year, towards the end of spring practice, I had a father threaten me. His son had a bad habit of using the N-word to black teammates and when they would retaliate he would run to the principal and claim he was being bullied. Since the kid would never say it around any teacher or coach our principal wouldn't let us do anything about it because it was one kid's word vs another's (As I said, he was completely spineless). Anyway, one day he pulled his usual chit with the wrong kid and proceeds to take an @$$ whipping from the second kid. I break up the fight, Kid 1 has a busted nose bleeding everywhere and is crying to me about being bullied by those "d@mn N-words." I came completely unglued on the kid and told him he deserved every last punch he got and then some. I take kid 1 to the principal's office, give my account of what happened, including my exchange with the kid; principal calls the father to come get his son. A few hours later as we are finishing up practice the kids dad comes walking across our practice field yelling my name and how he's gonna whip my @$$ all over that field, MF'ing everything in sight etc. etc. The HC and I get the guy off to the side as far from the kids as we can and try to calm him down. He continues trying to fight me over neglecting his boy and encouraging bullying blah blah blah. The HC tell him to leave or he will call the police. As the dad finally walks away he informs me that "Those N-word loving cops (became clear where the kid learned this chit) cant stay with me everywhere I go and he has enough lead to finish me whenever I'm alone." HC and I report the exchange to the principal. Principal's exact words are "You'll be fine, he doesn't mean it. He's just worried about his son." I took my current job a week later and informed my principal in the exit interview that a large part of my leaving came down to his lack of a backbone and piss poor leadership. |
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Post by coolhandluke on Feb 15, 2018 13:01:38 GMT -6
This. Administration needs to ban them. That takes care of them and anyone else who thinks it's appropriate behavior. I've never had the pleasure of working for a principal with a spine. From stories here, it seems they are rather rare. My second year, towards the end of spring practice, I had a father threaten me. His son had a bad habit of using the N-word to black teammates and when they would retaliate he would run to the principal and claim he was being bullied. Since the kid would never say it around any teacher or coach our principal wouldn't let us do anything about it because it was one kid's word vs another's (As I said, he was completely spineless). Anyway, one day he pulled his usual chit with the wrong kid and proceeds to take an @$$ whipping from the second kid. I break up the fight, Kid 1 has a busted nose bleeding everywhere and is crying to me about being bullied by those "d@mn N-words." I came completely unglued on the kid and told him he deserved every last punch he got and then some. I take kid 1 to the principal's office, give my account of what happened, including my exchange with the kid; principal calls the father to come get his son. A few hours later as we are finishing up practice the kids dad comes walking across our practice field yelling my name and how he's gonna whip my @$$ all over that field, MF'ing everything in sight etc. etc. The HC and I get the guy off to the side as far from the kids as we can and try to calm him down. He continues trying to fight me over neglecting his boy and encouraging bullying blah blah blah. The HC tell him to leave or he will call the police. As the dad finally walks away he informs me that "Those N-word loving cops (became clear where the kid learned this chit) cant stay with me everywhere I go and he has enough lead to finish me whenever I'm alone." HC and I report the exchange to the principal. Principal's exact words are "You'll be fine, he doesn't mean it. He's just worried about his son." I took my current job a week later and informed my principal in the exit interview that a large part of my leaving came down to his lack of a backbone and piss poor leadership. Just out of curiosity, where do you coach? |
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Post by Spread 'em out on Feb 16, 2018 10:41:21 GMT -6
I've never had the pleasure of working for a principal with a spine. From stories here, it seems they are rather rare. My second year, towards the end of spring practice, I had a father threaten me. His son had a bad habit of using the N-word to black teammates and when they would retaliate he would run to the principal and claim he was being bullied. Since the kid would never say it around any teacher or coach our principal wouldn't let us do anything about it because it was one kid's word vs another's (As I said, he was completely spineless). Anyway, one day he pulled his usual chit with the wrong kid and proceeds to take an @$$ whipping from the second kid. I break up the fight, Kid 1 has a busted nose bleeding everywhere and is crying to me about being bullied by those "d@mn N-words." I came completely unglued on the kid and told him he deserved every last punch he got and then some. I take kid 1 to the principal's office, give my account of what happened, including my exchange with the kid; principal calls the father to come get his son. A few hours later as we are finishing up practice the kids dad comes walking across our practice field yelling my name and how he's gonna whip my @$$ all over that field, MF'ing everything in sight etc. etc. The HC and I get the guy off to the side as far from the kids as we can and try to calm him down. He continues trying to fight me over neglecting his boy and encouraging bullying blah blah blah. The HC tell him to leave or he will call the police. As the dad finally walks away he informs me that "Those N-word loving cops (became clear where the kid learned this chit) cant stay with me everywhere I go and he has enough lead to finish me whenever I'm alone." HC and I report the exchange to the principal. Principal's exact words are "You'll be fine, he doesn't mean it. He's just worried about his son." I took my current job a week later and informed my principal in the exit interview that a large part of my leaving came down to his lack of a backbone and piss poor leadership. Just out of curiosity, where do you coach? Currently I'm an FBS Quality Control, but that story took place at a medium sized school in mississippi |
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Post by newhope on Feb 18, 2018 19:41:45 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, where do you coach? Currently I'm an FBS Quality Control, but that story took place at a medium sized school in mississippi In most states, there are laws against threatening school personnel. In all states, there are laws against the kind of threats he made. You don’t need administration to press charges. I’ve also been in a school with spineless admin (got out fast) and teachers had to go straight to law enforcement after being threatened. |
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Post by 50slantstrong on Feb 20, 2018 11:35:38 GMT -6
We lost a hard fought game last night in the first round of the playoffs last night. Down by 2, with 30 seconds left, they stopped us on a 4th and 2 from the 5. The HC said to go for it and the back was stopped short. (A field goal was not an option). After the game an irate parent was dropping f bombs out loud at the coaches and yelling at the principal to fire the whole f*ing lot of us. The father was our QBs dad. He had to be restrained by his kid from coming at us while we were walking off the field. We are a 3-6 team in a program that has historically been a .500 team at our very best. This guy was one who led the charge to get the last OC to leave and he got a few other parents to yell with him. It’s not so much that they complained, it’s how they did it out in front of the kids and belittled the whole program in front of students, other parents, and our opponents players/fans/families. It was embarrassing to see that kind of over the top poor sportsmanship after a game that was exciting to play in and coach in. I’m still sick to my stomach thinking about it all. We did get some support from other parents today who were just as embarrassed. These clowns wonder why we loose kids to private schools. It will be interesting to see what the new AD will do. They last one was buddies with the guy and let it all happen. I coached at a private school for two years and I can tell you the parents aren't much different. Maybe it was the school I coached at, but there was a healthy dose of the "I donate a ton of money to this school and sent x amount of kids here, I should have a say in how the athletics are run" mindset, and on the flipside, you had parents who believed those parents influenced the school more than they actually did and would bitch about how they don't have a say compared to them. Plus we did get the stereotypical transfer parents who felt they shouldn't have to pay tuition because their son was the MVP of the freshmen team at his previous school... Different toilet, same ish |
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Post by Spread 'em out on Feb 20, 2018 13:09:41 GMT -6
Currently I'm an FBS Quality Control, but that story took place at a medium sized school in mississippi In most states, there are laws against threatening school personnel. In all states, there are laws against the kind of threats he made. You don’t need administration to press charges. I’ve also been in a school with spineless admin (got out fast) and teachers had to go straight to law enforcement after being threatened. I definitely could have pressed charges if I wanted, but waited to see how it played out. The kid ended up transferring and I left for a new job a year later with no more encounters with the parent. So all is well that ends well I suppose. |
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Post by lmorris on Feb 23, 2018 11:02:34 GMT -6
we have had a parent banned from sporting events before. your admin has to have a backbone. I was told a few years back when a coach becomes an administrator, they have to have their spine surgically removed..... |
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 27, 2018 12:05:59 GMT -6
This. Administration needs to ban them. That takes care of them and anyone else who thinks it's appropriate behavior. I've never had the pleasure of working for a principal with a spine. From stories here, it seems they are rather rare. My second year, towards the end of spring practice, I had a father threaten me. His son had a bad habit of using the N-word to black teammates and when they would retaliate he would run to the principal and claim he was being bullied. Since the kid would never say it around any teacher or coach our principal wouldn't let us do anything about it because it was one kid's word vs another's (As I said, he was completely spineless). Anyway, one day he pulled his usual chit with the wrong kid and proceeds to take an @$$ whipping from the second kid. I break up the fight, Kid 1 has a busted nose bleeding everywhere and is crying to me about being bullied by those "d@mn N-words." I came completely unglued on the kid and told him he deserved every last punch he got and then some. I take kid 1 to the principal's office, give my account of what happened, including my exchange with the kid; principal calls the father to come get his son. A few hours later as we are finishing up practice the kids dad comes walking across our practice field yelling my name and how he's gonna whip my @$$ all over that field, MF'ing everything in sight etc. etc. The HC and I get the guy off to the side as far from the kids as we can and try to calm him down. He continues trying to fight me over neglecting his boy and encouraging bullying blah blah blah. The HC tell him to leave or he will call the police. As the dad finally walks away he informs me that "Those N-word loving cops (became clear where the kid learned this chit) cant stay with me everywhere I go and he has enough lead to finish me whenever I'm alone." HC and I report the exchange to the principal. Principal's exact words are "You'll be fine, he doesn't mean it. He's just worried about his son." I took my current job a week later and informed my principal in the exit interview that a large part of my leaving came down to his lack of a backbone and piss poor leadership. I'll play devil's advocate here. While this kid sounds like a nightmare and dad seems even worse, it looks like you may have lost some power once you told the kid that he deserved the @$$ kicking. Although, I'm not saying what you said wasn't true, but telling him that couldn't have helped. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 28, 2018 15:11:41 GMT -6
I was coaching freshman football for a large school while I was in college; I handled the LBs and the RBs (FBs and TBs). We had over 60 freshmen out and 25 of them were LBs/RBs. We had a B-squad schedule in place but there were twice as many "A-squad" games and we needed to rotate all of these kids in and out of the game. One kid was getting a fair number of snaps per game at TB but his dad felt that we weren't doing enough for his boy and approached me after practice:
Daddy:"I need to talk to you about Lil Johnny."
Me: "Alright, what can I do for you?"
Daddy: "Lil Johnny isn't getting enough playing time and he isn't touching the ball enough. He's the best RB you have."
Me: "Well, it's freshmen ball and we're more concerned with getting kids playing time."
Daddy: "It's high school football. You should be playing to win not dishing out playing time like some communist country."
Me: "That is something that you need to take up with Coach _____ (the HC) as he wants us playing as many kids as possible. I agree with him though; we treat the lower levels as developmental."
Daddy: "No, YOU'RE the person I need to be talking to; you're his coach and you're calling the plays. Did you know that he only has 12 carries for 40 yards and 3 catches for 16 yards through the first two games."
Me: "Look, I'm done talking about this, we'll need to discuss this further with Coach Mr. HC and Mr. Athletic Director."
Daddy:"We paid $15000 for him to attend the Seahawks football camp this last summer!! He deserved more playing time and more touches. This is bullchit!!".
Me: "Give the head coach and athletic director a call, I'm not discussing this any further."
Daddy: "Well, I'm pushing to have you fired, just so you know".
Me: "Alright."
Sure as chit, we had a terrible season with the freshmen team (because we didn't coach them very well..), Lil Johnny's Daddy got the rest of the parents worked up and the whole freshmen staff was canned at the end of the season.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 6, 2018 6:58:11 GMT -6
Sadly, I think if you're in this job long enough we all have a story like yours. I'll spare you the details, but irate parent dog-cussing everyone and threatening us are typically banned from sporting events for at least a season up to a year, and admin doesn't play...they will even go to away games and make sure that dude doesn't try to come in the stadium. I wouldn't exactly call my AD "a man of solid backbone" but this is an area where he gets it done.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 19, 2018 9:00:09 GMT -6
We had a big junior high volleyball tournament over this weekend where we fielded both a 7th grade team and an 8th grade team. A small town about 30 miles from us couldn't get someone to coach their girls so our volleyball coaches let them join our teams. I went to several of the games this weekend and was absolutely appalled at the attitude of two of the parents from this town... They sat in the stands and criticized the coaches the entire time and started to get pretty loud about it. I told one of our parents that I was fed up and was turning around to say something to them but another mom from our school beat me to the punch.
"Those coaches were gracious enough to allow your girls to join their teams because you couldn't find anyone to coach. So, you need to keep your trap shut or pull your kid off of the team. Either way, YOU can coach your OWN team next year!".
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Post by s73 on Mar 23, 2018 12:04:05 GMT -6
I have called parents directly after similar incidents and told them that if they are going to be that disrespectful their kid will not play.
Then I always get the "hey don't penalize my kid b/c of me" to which I always respond, you still have a choice. Behave appropriately & we're all good. Don't, I pull him.
It's actually your decision not mine.
I have never asked admin if this was okay. I just did it. Went this far twice & both times it worked.
Just my 2 cents.
PS - I tell the kid the same thing. Little Johnny it's not personal, just can't have the distraction. Now dads getting heat from his own kid to. My opinion is if a parent wants to run their mouths, I don't allow drive - by's. It's either a high noon draw or shut the f#ck up.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 27, 2018 11:58:26 GMT -6
I have called parents directly after similar incidents and told them that if they are going to be that disrespectful their kid will not play. Then I always get the "hey don't penalize my kid b/c of me" to which I always respond, you still have a choice. Behave appropriately & we're all good. Don't, I pull him. It's actually your decision not mine. I have never asked admin if this was okay. I just did it. Went this far twice & both times it worked. Just my 2 cents. PS - I tell the kid the same thing. Little Johnny it's not personal, just can't have the distraction. Now dads getting heat from his own kid to. My opinion is if a parent wants to run their mouths, I don't allow drive - by's. It's either a high noon draw or shut the f#ck up. Agreed. This crap gets out of hand if you're not willing to approach those parents or call them into a meeting with the AD. They back off in a hurry when confronted about their behavior. It's easy to whine and complain from the stands but it's much more difficult to have a coach standing in front of you saying "Here, take the clipboard. You're convinced you can do a better job so you run the team." |
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Post by 50slantstrong on May 7, 2018 12:38:07 GMT -6
I have called parents directly after similar incidents and told them that if they are going to be that disrespectful their kid will not play. Then I always get the "hey don't penalize my kid b/c of me" to which I always respond, you still have a choice. Behave appropriately & we're all good. Don't, I pull him. It's actually your decision not mine. I have never asked admin if this was okay. I just did it. Went this far twice & both times it worked. Just my 2 cents. PS - I tell the kid the same thing. Little Johnny it's not personal, just can't have the distraction. Now dads getting heat from his own kid to. My opinion is if a parent wants to run their mouths, I don't allow drive - by's. It's either a high noon draw or shut the f#ck up. I can't honestly say I agree with that decision. I coach at a school that has an epidemic of parents who want to live vicariously through their kids' football experience. As you can imagine, they're quite vocal and embarrassing during games. I can cite multiple instances of parents telling coaches' families we don't know what we're doing, using expletives in front of our kids and at one point forcing a ref to stop a JV game because of terrorist threats. Most of the kids whose parents that describes develop as thick skin of apathy about the game by the time they're upper classmen. You can only hear the "you're the best player on the team. The coach doesn't know what he's doing" talks so much until you find out it's untrue so many times until you read the writing on the wall that your dad is an idiot and he's embarrassing you. Getting one of these kids and sitting them is only going to build the wall more. You're going to have to deal with a kid who's tuned out completely. If it's a parent whose prerogative is to be negative and unrealistic, there's a slim chance you'll ever win their favor. I'd rather not even go through the headache of calling him/her and would just coach their kid up knowing that he knows his dad is an a-hole and put my teaching hat on and finding my own ways of motivating them. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 7, 2018 13:25:45 GMT -6
There are 3 sports in which I feel that coaches suffer from these things the most (due to an apparent abundance of "knowledge" of these games): Football, Basketball, and Baseball.
We just recently had an incident in baseball in which a kid quit the team, then his dad was at the next game and made threats to our HC, who happens to be a state trooper. Didn't work out too well for the dad...although I am sure the HC didn't lock him up despite the threats.
People are crazy anyway, then you throw emotional-involvement with their son and the team, and a mob mentality when things are not great...recipe for disaster.
Again, like others have said, be proactive in the parent meetings- set expectations and consequences BEFORE it gets to that point, and be quick to ask for a meeting involving AD or admin.
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Post by s73 on May 7, 2018 14:20:42 GMT -6
I have called parents directly after similar incidents and told them that if they are going to be that disrespectful their kid will not play. Then I always get the "hey don't penalize my kid b/c of me" to which I always respond, you still have a choice. Behave appropriately & we're all good. Don't, I pull him. It's actually your decision not mine. I have never asked admin if this was okay. I just did it. Went this far twice & both times it worked. Just my 2 cents. PS - I tell the kid the same thing. Little Johnny it's not personal, just can't have the distraction. Now dads getting heat from his own kid to. My opinion is if a parent wants to run their mouths, I don't allow drive - by's. It's either a high noon draw or shut the f#ck up. I can't honestly say I agree with that decision. I coach at a school that has an epidemic of parents who want to live vicariously through their kids' football experience. As you can imagine, they're quite vocal and embarrassing during games. I can cite multiple instances of parents telling coaches' families we don't know what we're doing, using expletives in front of our kids and at one point forcing a ref to stop a JV game because of terrorist threats. Most of the kids whose parents that describes develop as thick skin of apathy about the game by the time they're upper classmen. You can only hear the "you're the best player on the team. The coach doesn't know what he's doing" talks so much until you find out it's untrue so many times until you read the writing on the wall that your dad is an idiot and he's embarrassing you. Getting one of these kids and sitting them is only going to build the wall more. You're going to have to deal with a kid who's tuned out completely. If it's a parent whose prerogative is to be negative and unrealistic, there's a slim chance you'll ever win their favor. I'd rather not even go through the headache of calling him/her and would just coach their kid up knowing that he knows his dad is an a-hole and put my teaching hat on and finding my own ways of motivating them. I follow you. But.....maybe ask yourself why you have parents like that. I believe few of our parents are like that b/c they know it is not tolerated. Me and my staff have families to and they have a right to go to a HIGH SCHOOL game w/o having to listen to vulgarities about there loved ones. We can agree to disagree but my coaching atmosphere has been pretty pleasant and supportive after confronting the behavior. For the record, never had to sit either kid b/c once the behavior was confronted never had a problem w/ either parent. it's not about gaining the respect of the parent, it's about holding parents accountable for appropriate behavior at a high school event. |
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Post by Chris Clement on May 7, 2018 16:55:14 GMT -6
I was coaching freshman football for a large school while I was in college; I handled the LBs and the RBs (FBs and TBs). We had over 60 freshmen out and 25 of them were LBs/RBs. We had a B-squad schedule in place but there were twice as many "A-squad" games and we needed to rotate all of these kids in and out of the game. One kid was getting a fair number of snaps per game at TB but his dad felt that we weren't doing enough for his boy and approached me after practice: Daddy:"I need to talk to you about Lil Johnny." Me: "Alright, what can I do for you?" Daddy: "Lil Johnny isn't getting enough playing time and he isn't touching the ball enough. He's the best RB you have." Me: "Well, it's freshmen ball and we're more concerned with getting kids playing time." Daddy: "It's high school football. You should be playing to win not dishing out playing time like some communist country." Me: "That is something that you need to take up with Coach _____ (the HC) as he wants us playing as many kids as possible. I agree with him though; we treat the lower levels as developmental." Daddy: "No, YOU'RE the person I need to be talking to; you're his coach and you're calling the plays. Did you know that he only has 12 carries for 40 yards and 3 catches for 16 yards through the first two games." Me: "Look, I'm done talking about this, we'll need to discuss this further with Coach Mr. HC and Mr. Athletic Director." Daddy:"We paid $15000 for him to attend the Seahawks football camp this last summer!! He deserved more playing time and more touches. This is bullchit!!". Me: "Give the head coach and athletic director a call, I'm not discussing this any further." Daddy: "Well, I'm pushing to have you fired, just so you know". Me: "Alright." Sure as chit, we had a terrible season with the freshmen team (because we didn't coach them very well..), Lil Johnny's Daddy got the rest of the parents worked up and the whole freshmen staff was canned at the end of the season. I can’t imagine a frost coach ever getting fired for anything short of either misconduct or maybe gross and wanton incompetence to the point of jeopardizing the whole program. Who the hell are you going to get to replace them? |
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Post by coachcb on May 8, 2018 8:58:00 GMT -6
I was coaching freshman football for a large school while I was in college; I handled the LBs and the RBs (FBs and TBs). We had over 60 freshmen out and 25 of them were LBs/RBs. We had a B-squad schedule in place but there were twice as many "A-squad" games and we needed to rotate all of these kids in and out of the game. One kid was getting a fair number of snaps per game at TB but his dad felt that we weren't doing enough for his boy and approached me after practice: Daddy:"I need to talk to you about Lil Johnny." Me: "Alright, what can I do for you?" Daddy: "Lil Johnny isn't getting enough playing time and he isn't touching the ball enough. He's the best RB you have." Me: "Well, it's freshmen ball and we're more concerned with getting kids playing time." Daddy: "It's high school football. You should be playing to win not dishing out playing time like some communist country." Me: "That is something that you need to take up with Coach _____ (the HC) as he wants us playing as many kids as possible. I agree with him though; we treat the lower levels as developmental." Daddy: "No, YOU'RE the person I need to be talking to; you're his coach and you're calling the plays. Did you know that he only has 12 carries for 40 yards and 3 catches for 16 yards through the first two games." Me: "Look, I'm done talking about this, we'll need to discuss this further with Coach Mr. HC and Mr. Athletic Director." Daddy:"We paid $15000 for him to attend the Seahawks football camp this last summer!! He deserved more playing time and more touches. This is bullchit!!". Me: "Give the head coach and athletic director a call, I'm not discussing this any further." Daddy: "Well, I'm pushing to have you fired, just so you know". Me: "Alright." Sure as chit, we had a terrible season with the freshmen team (because we didn't coach them very well..), Lil Johnny's Daddy got the rest of the parents worked up and the whole freshmen staff was canned at the end of the season. I can’t imagine a frost coach ever getting fired for anything short of either misconduct or maybe gross and wanton incompetence to the point of jeopardizing the whole program. Who the hell are you going to get to replace them? The entirety of the staff did a terrible job of coaching the kids and there was a lot of in-fighting going on between a couple of coaches. The in-fighting came down to playing time; a couple of the coaches only played the best in their position (out of 60 kids..) while others (myself included) ran a rotation to get all of the kids in. That, coupled with continual parent complaints about playing time was enough for the HC to can the entire freshmen staff. Not a single one of us was brought back. The HC had just taken over the program, the varsity had a sub-par year and he spent more time dealing with the B.S. that was coming from the freshmen level than anything else. It was a learning experience for me, for sure. It's the only coaching position that I have been canned from and, honestly, I deserved to be fired. I did a p-ss poor job of coaching, I was way too focused on Xs and Os and got involved in some of the fighting between the other coaches. I would have been brought back if I had kept my head down and teaching fundamentals. But, I was a young, arrogant, 23 year old kid. |
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Post by newhope on May 8, 2018 9:45:01 GMT -6
I was coaching freshman football for a large school while I was in college; I handled the LBs and the RBs (FBs and TBs). We had over 60 freshmen out and 25 of them were LBs/RBs. We had a B-squad schedule in place but there were twice as many "A-squad" games and we needed to rotate all of these kids in and out of the game. One kid was getting a fair number of snaps per game at TB but his dad felt that we weren't doing enough for his boy and approached me after practice: Daddy:"I need to talk to you about Lil Johnny." Me: "Alright, what can I do for you?" Daddy: "Lil Johnny isn't getting enough playing time and he isn't touching the ball enough. He's the best RB you have." Me: "Well, it's freshmen ball and we're more concerned with getting kids playing time." Daddy: "It's high school football. You should be playing to win not dishing out playing time like some communist country." Me: "That is something that you need to take up with Coach _____ (the HC) as he wants us playing as many kids as possible. I agree with him though; we treat the lower levels as developmental." Daddy: "No, YOU'RE the person I need to be talking to; you're his coach and you're calling the plays. Did you know that he only has 12 carries for 40 yards and 3 catches for 16 yards through the first two games." Me: "Look, I'm done talking about this, we'll need to discuss this further with Coach Mr. HC and Mr. Athletic Director." Daddy:"We paid $15000 for him to attend the Seahawks football camp this last summer!! He deserved more playing time and more touches. This is bullchit!!". Me: "Give the head coach and athletic director a call, I'm not discussing this any further." Daddy: "Well, I'm pushing to have you fired, just so you know". Me: "Alright." Sure as chit, we had a terrible season with the freshmen team (because we didn't coach them very well..), Lil Johnny's Daddy got the rest of the parents worked up and the whole freshmen staff was canned at the end of the season. Rule #1: "WE DO NOT DISCUSS PLAYING TIME". Program wide. Top to bottom. Parents are told this from Day 1 and it is enforced. Any coach who can not follow this simple rule gets fired. Solves many problems. (Also, make sure admin is aware of this and supportive from Day 1 as well). |
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Post by coachcb on May 8, 2018 10:17:58 GMT -6
I was coaching freshman football for a large school while I was in college; I handled the LBs and the RBs (FBs and TBs). We had over 60 freshmen out and 25 of them were LBs/RBs. We had a B-squad schedule in place but there were twice as many "A-squad" games and we needed to rotate all of these kids in and out of the game. One kid was getting a fair number of snaps per game at TB but his dad felt that we weren't doing enough for his boy and approached me after practice: Daddy:"I need to talk to you about Lil Johnny." Me: "Alright, what can I do for you?" Daddy: "Lil Johnny isn't getting enough playing time and he isn't touching the ball enough. He's the best RB you have." Me: "Well, it's freshmen ball and we're more concerned with getting kids playing time." Daddy: "It's high school football. You should be playing to win not dishing out playing time like some communist country." Me: "That is something that you need to take up with Coach _____ (the HC) as he wants us playing as many kids as possible. I agree with him though; we treat the lower levels as developmental." Daddy: "No, YOU'RE the person I need to be talking to; you're his coach and you're calling the plays. Did you know that he only has 12 carries for 40 yards and 3 catches for 16 yards through the first two games." Me: "Look, I'm done talking about this, we'll need to discuss this further with Coach Mr. HC and Mr. Athletic Director." Daddy:"We paid $15000 for him to attend the Seahawks football camp this last summer!! He deserved more playing time and more touches. This is bullchit!!". Me: "Give the head coach and athletic director a call, I'm not discussing this any further." Daddy: "Well, I'm pushing to have you fired, just so you know". Me: "Alright." Sure as chit, we had a terrible season with the freshmen team (because we didn't coach them very well..), Lil Johnny's Daddy got the rest of the parents worked up and the whole freshmen staff was canned at the end of the season. Rule #1: "WE DO NOT DISCUSS PLAYING TIME". Program wide. Top to bottom. Parents are told this from Day 1 and it is enforced. Any coach who can not follow this simple rule gets fired. Solves many problems. (Also, make sure admin is aware of this and supportive from Day 1 as well). Our varsity HC had made it clear to the parents that we had a developmental philosophy when it came to the freshmen level. If they practiced, they played. He also made this very clear to the freshmen staff. However, we had 60 kids out for freshmen football without an A/B schedule.. We set up 5th and 6th quarters every game with a running clock.. So... Some of the staff members played a handful of kids during the first four quarters, tried to stuff everyone else in during the 5th and 6th and we had weeks where kids had ZERO playing time. I was the DB/WR coach and set up a rotation during the first game as I knew we wouldn't be able to get all of the kids in with this set up. The HC/OC was livid about it and demanded that I play our "starting WRs" and get the rest in during the extra quarters. He and I bickered over this continually, especially when parent complaints came rolling in about kids that didn't see a single down of playing time while others never left the field. The DC and I agreed on it so he also fought with the OC over it.. The freshmen HC was a passive guy that didn't take control over the situation. The varsity HC came down and mediated arguments between the two of them every week. And, again, at the heart of it, we didn't coach the kids well. So, you take the immaturity on staff, the parent complaints, the fact that we were losing by 30 points every week (against teams who were rotating players..) and you've got a recipe for a firing. |
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Post by newhope on May 8, 2018 11:08:52 GMT -6
Rule #1: "WE DO NOT DISCUSS PLAYING TIME". Program wide. Top to bottom. Parents are told this from Day 1 and it is enforced. Any coach who can not follow this simple rule gets fired. Solves many problems. (Also, make sure admin is aware of this and supportive from Day 1 as well). Our varsity HC had made it clear to the parents that we had a developmental philosophy when it came to the freshmen level. If they practiced, they played. He also made this very clear to the freshmen staff. However, we had 60 kids out for freshmen football without an A/B schedule.. We set up 5th and 6th quarters every game with a running clock.. So... Some of the staff members played a handful of kids during the first four quarters, tried to stuff everyone else in during the 5th and 6th and we had weeks where kids had ZERO playing time. I was the DB/WR coach and set up a rotation during the first game as I knew we wouldn't be able to get all of the kids in with this set up. The HC/OC was livid about it and demanded that I play our "starting WRs" and get the rest in during the extra quarters. He and I bickered over this continually, especially when parent complaints came rolling in about kids that didn't see a single down of playing time while others never left the field. The DC and I agreed on it so he also fought with the OC over it.. The freshmen HC was a passive guy that didn't take control over the situation. The varsity HC came down and mediated arguments between the two of them every week. And, again, at the heart of it, we didn't coach the kids well. So, you take the immaturity on staff, the parent complaints, the fact that we were losing by 30 points every week (against teams who were rotating players..) and you've got a recipe for a firing. Perhaps he made his philosophy clear to parents, but he obviously didn't make it clear to coaches. I understand the issues you are talking about within the staff--and that's his fault as well, imo. However, my comment was only directed at the discussion with the dad. You shouldn't be in that position. HC can nip that in the bud by having a "no playing time discussion" policy that is enforced. Doesn't look like he enforced philosophy, either, and then when it became an issue for him, he fired everybody. I think there is as much blame with him as with all the people he fired (not saying they didn't need firing--but maybe they just needed better direction and supervision) |
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The day we got eliminated in the playoffs I found out that I got another job. And left. 
