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Post by ajreaper on Nov 13, 2007 10:47:01 GMT -6
This past Friday we are playing in the 1st round of our state playoffs. It's very early in the 2nd quarter and my DC gets upset about something during a play and throws his headsets to the ground at his feet- he neither uses profanity or directs any comments to any official. The official working our sideline comes running toward him yelling that he'll eject him if he ever does that again- this guys demeanor is unbelievable, his neck veins are bulging he's red in the face basically ranting. My DC as well as myself are a bit thrown by this display to say the least- he asks my DC if he understands he'll toss him and my DC replys "yes sir" and touches his hand to the bill of his cap. The official pulls his flag and throws it and I mean throws it at him just narrowly missing him.
I am completely shocked by this guys attitude- we've not had any confrontations prior to this in fact we've hardly spoken to him at all. His demeanor and attitude is just so over the top and we still have 3/4's of the game remaining I ask for a time out and go talk with the white hat about his partner. I explain my concerns and he replies touching the caps bill or saluting is unsportsman like because it means he did not mean the "yes sir" and that's disrespecting him as well as showing him up. My response is that respect works both ways- if you want it you should give it at which time he threatens me with ejection. When I ask on what grounds he does not reply.
I return to the sideline and my QB coach in the box who's been listening in as much as he could ask's about something- I'm talking with him and say something along the lines that I am of the believe respect is earned and not given- within seconds I feel something hit the side of my leg and my DC turns and says "Christ he hit you with his flag". Now I am 4-5 yards away to his left and behind him- lets just say there's plenty of places to throw a flag if he chooses none of which are anywhere near me. And he threw it with such force I still have a bruise on my hip where it hit. As he's moving the chains he's walking backwards staring at me grinning from ear to ear. No way it's an accident. I turn to the white hat and say "he hit me with his flag now" The back judge comes over and says coach lets just play ball now- I ask him if hitting a coach with a flag is professional? He says he prefers not to comment. For the remainder of the game the back judge handles all communication with our sideline. After the game several of my players tell me there parents said the white hat had police brought over to keep an eye on me as I was getting out of control.
I've never seen or experienced anything close to that in 23 years of coaching.
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 13, 2007 11:00:10 GMT -6
sounds like somthing the refs in our game would do, i was down on the field watching the JV game last week and the X is lining up and looking to the ref on the sidline ot make sure hes on the ball, ref isnt telling him, just staring right at the kid, the ball is snapped and immediately he blows his whistle and throws a flag, calls the X receiver offsides. Jv coaches and i erupt and say he was looking at you to make sure he was lined up right, and he said "you should have taught him how to play football by now"
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Post by semi-pro64 on Nov 13, 2007 11:15:07 GMT -6
That is crazy. I have been on both sides, first as a ref and now as a coach. My experience is 90% of the ref and coaches are good, it is the 10% of the rest that mess up the coach/official relationship for everyone else. A great football official goes unnoticed while their work stands outs. The problem comes when officials think they are the game and people come to see them throw flags. Respect is a two way street and it sounds like, for whatever reason, that crew didn’t show you any
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Post by thunder17 on Nov 13, 2007 11:31:34 GMT -6
Sounds to me like a meeting with the head of officials needs to take place. Officials are going to miss calls and to me that is not a big deal (as long as they are terrible for both teams), hell as a coach I screw up all the time, but the "bullying" behavior needs to stop. I guess it also depends on your personality. Some will say let it go, I don't think I could. I leaned over the sideline this year to yell something to my D and got a sideline warning! What a %rick! The only bad official we had this year and he is the one I remember the most because I spent 48 minutes doing everything in my power to keep from saying something.
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Post by k on Nov 13, 2007 11:32:24 GMT -6
Ouch. Out of district refs? I haven't had any problems when we've been away and out of district but every other coach I know complains about it.
Out of 23 games so far this year we've had 22 well done games by the refs. One left me wanting to kill the ref for repeatedly talking down to the staff and players. I can deal with a mistake or two. Hell I can even deal with a ref blowing an inadvertent whistle bringing back a 75 yard TD run costing us a freshman game. I however can't deal with disrespect from the refs especially towards the kids.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Nov 13, 2007 11:55:59 GMT -6
I had a first this season--I had asked for an explanation on a no-call that was rather obvious (offensive player hurdling a defender--illegal in Minnesota--not sure about other states). Anyway, our crew was out of Fargo, ND and claimed that it was no where in the rule book. I received a letter of apology the following week as they checked into it and found that it was illegal. I know they are not supposed to contact coaches following a missed call, but I thought it showed a lot of respect for the game. They will make mistakes and at least they were not beyond themselves to admit it. It did not matter to the game's outcome, we lost by 32 points to that team, but it was still appreciated.
I had another crew a few weeks later write a letter of apology for a missed call. Two letters in one season!
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 13, 2007 13:09:37 GMT -6
DC- My AD and I are going to bring this to the attention of the state director of officials today- My AD was out of state until yesterday morning then we had to set up our banquet and could not get to it yesterday. I am not letting this go- you want to flag me that's fine you want to act as if you have no boundries or limits to your power and behave like an ass then I have a problem with that attitude. My desire is that whatever punishment would be given to a coach who threw something and hit an official should be given to this official- the truth is if a coach had thrown something and struck an official they'd likely be fired by their employer.
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Post by brophy on Nov 13, 2007 13:47:28 GMT -6
hey....uh......you think you can post some video of that...that sounds entertaining.
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 13, 2007 14:06:17 GMT -6
Haven't had any thing that bad, but thought I would share my story. From KO the refs were just bad. Missing blocks in the back left and right. Our HC ask him how can he not see that and went on to say I am trying to coach and I still see them. The ref replies maybe thats why you are not a ref because you cant see. Officials were calling all the other teams players by their first name like the knew all of them. Letting the other team know they can break the huddle after counting 11 players(Jr.High). They fumbled twice both times we recovered and took off running and both times the ref behind the play waited until our player got about 10 yd then blew the whistle and said the player was down no fumble. Had a late hit on our QB so the other coaches and I started yelling late hit late hit and one of them turned around and yelled shut up. My fiance cames to all the games and she was there before us(away game) we were running late, well the bus driver was late, but my fiance said when she got there the principal and the refs were making fun of our school and asked her if she was from our school my fiance said yes and the principal said in a rude voice are they always late. We get there and the principal only gives us 5 min to warm up and a 5 min half time. We lost. Also had some of the best refs the first game of the season. They actually realized it was Jr. high kids and let them know to buckle up their helmet, put in mouth pieces, and told us coaches if # so and so does that again we will flag him, such as holding or pass interference etc... I guess some times you get good and sometimes you get bad. I just wish there was More consistency at this level.
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Post by dubber on Nov 13, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -6
I would have pressed charges.
After I got thrown out of the game.
Yeah, needless to say, I am a "pressbox" guy......for many reasons, blacking out whenever I "talk" to officals is one of them
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Post by goldenbear76 on Nov 13, 2007 15:23:41 GMT -6
Coach, I totally have dealth with that exact same thing this year. It was our only loss of the season. We were playing on the road...with refs from their area. The ref just goes insane for no plausible reason. I guess saying "Oh come on..that wasn't a penalty" is reason to pop a vein. It changed the way we approached things that night..we couldn't lobby for anything. The white hat ref told us to shut up..and one more word...and someones getting ejected. In all my playing years and coaching years (short), I have not seen anything like it before.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 13, 2007 17:46:47 GMT -6
hey....uh......you think you can post some video of that...that sounds entertaining. I only wish I did- it would be entertaining as well as slam the door on any excuse that official could possibly try to use. |
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Post by brophy on Nov 14, 2007 9:07:56 GMT -6
Do you have your games on DVD?  Just rip the avi and throw it up on Google, yo.......this is the 21st century,mang |
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 14, 2007 10:31:02 GMT -6
Brophy in this case unfortunately the act itself is not on tape only the white hat indicating the penalty (we film this only so when we trade teams can figure out why the ball suddenly moved up or back- no one can accuse you of cutting plays or other under hand crap). I'd really love to have it all on tape.
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