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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 6:43:50 GMT -6
I seem to have this issue every year: Most of our lineman-sized players only want to play DL and not OL. A few practices in we get to the point where we only have 3-4 guys on the OL which results in another 4-5 guys being told that they are being moved to OL for the good of the team.
How do you "sell" playing OL to your players other than the 5 starting spots and the unit being the most important to success of the team?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 8:25:49 GMT -6
They get to do everything we do as a team first. Example, when we have thursday pregame meal, they get in line first. When we load the bus, they load up first and we try to give them a solo seat.
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Post by PSS on Sept 18, 2017 8:37:30 GMT -6
For us we tell them it's their opportunity to get on the field and contribute as a starter and not a back-up. This is a good topic because we've had to move some kids around this year after the start of the season. Our d-line is make up of mostly skill kids. But we've had a LB that is a senior and was a back-up at LB. He was rarely playing except for special teams. He was over sized as a LB and didn't move well enough. The O-line coach moved him to OT and he has found a home.
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Post by nicku on Sept 18, 2017 8:37:50 GMT -6
Believe it or not, in this alleged age of softness and selfishness, we have used the idea of general nastiness, blue collar attitude, and toughness to sell the OL to kids. It resonates with some kids that the idea of being the most sweat-drenched, dinged-up, position on the field is something to be sought after.
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Post by wolverine55 on Sept 18, 2017 8:43:21 GMT -6
I'm curious for ideas too; primarily because next year we are going to HAVE to talk to a few current skill players about playing OL due to lack of bodies coming back.
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Post by coachriley on Sept 18, 2017 9:15:26 GMT -6
We faced this issue this year as well, although this team is the 7th grade team. We didn't have enough decent linemen to give us a chance, even our center couldn't get a decent snap half the time. So I asked the WR coach (who had a ton of extra kids) who didn't have good hands and could move.
I moved the kid and he was hesitant at first but I told him hey buddy, we are a running team, so you are either going to block as a wideout, or youre going to block on the line. And youre 3rd string on the depth chart, so you won't even get in much there. But if you play OL you are gonna start and play the entire game. He has excelled and is probably the best linemen we have. Since then I have taken two other WR's and turned them into linemen and they are both starting as well.
So I just sold it as they would get more playing time.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 18, 2017 9:17:57 GMT -6
Ask them if they want to start on the OL or be a backup someplace else
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Post by dblwngr on Sept 18, 2017 9:25:28 GMT -6
We've really put the effort into making playing Oline a prestigious thing the last 2 years.
No longer called Oline but now called "The Franchise"
Every couple weeks they get cookies, popsicles, or some snack and get to watch conditioning in the stands.
Franchise t-shirts
Pizza durring film if goals are met.
RBs never allowed to blame or talk bad about the Franchise. House rules.
Etc, etc.
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Post by chi5hi on Sept 18, 2017 9:25:58 GMT -6
"Hey Charlie. I got a spot for you...D'you wanna play or sit?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 9:58:32 GMT -6
I'm curious for ideas too; primarily because next year we are going to HAVE to talk to a few current skill players about playing OL due to lack of bodies coming back. Our FB from last year got dumped by his girlfriend over summer, got fat and was moved to Guard. He was reluctant at first but has worked really hard at making it his spot.
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Post by dubber on Sept 18, 2017 10:07:38 GMT -6
What is your OL coach like?
It usually starts with him.
We had a kid we moved from tackle to tight end complain because he wasn't a lineman anymore (even though he has yet to catch a pass 5 games in).
Culture
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 18, 2017 10:11:49 GMT -6
In our year around program - (with a lot of testing of strength, agility, & foot speed) we convince them where they should play.
OLM = "We do the Most, We're known the least, We are the Reason"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 10:21:06 GMT -6
What is your OL coach like? It usually starts with him. We had a kid we moved from tackle to tight end complain because he wasn't a lineman anymore (even though he has yet to catch a pass 5 games in). Culture
In terms of coaching technique he's very good, I'd even stretch to excellent.
I get the impression he doesn't like to work with players who aren't already in good condition. Recently he's complained a lot about the level of talent he has to work with. There were some issues last year with a couple of players related to depth/starters that could have been avoided with better communication or a simple face to face conversations. HC has also asked him to try and make his indy sessions more engaging.
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2017 10:44:21 GMT -6
What is your OL coach like? It usually starts with him. We had a kid we moved from tackle to tight end complain because he wasn't a lineman anymore (even though he has yet to catch a pass 5 games in). Culture
HC has also asked him to try and make his indy sessions more engaging.
What does that mean?
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 18, 2017 11:16:29 GMT -6
I have made special O-line shirts. Ask them to name their group and come up with a slogan or motto. Also went with first at team dinners. Had the idea of purchasing 5 recliners for the team room for film.
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 18, 2017 12:34:43 GMT -6
Offensive line is like no other position. The only time you get noticed is when you screw up. With the offensive line it is all about the unit. They can't let the man next to them down. If you can get them to play for the unit and not for themselves, they will give more effort. We also hold them all accountable to each other for effort. We point out great effort and poor effort. I love coaching offensive line for this very reason. It is a challenge to get them to come together, but once you do it is a thing of beauty. The kids come up with our unit name each year, and we identify with that. It cost me $300 out of pocket to get 20 t-shirts made. This was a small thing that the kids like. They now have come up with a hashtag they identify with.
Let me say that a hashtag and a t-shirt won't make you play hard. But building and molding a unit will. We spend time together outside of practice eating and hanging out. This helps to build that unit.
When you are correcting them they already feel like crap for making a mistake. We talk about how to fix it. I tell my guys everyday, "I own your mistakes, you own your effort." When you make a mistake that is bad coaching and I will get you coached up. When you give poor effort, that is on you, and you and we will find a way to make you go hard." I also defend our guys to the death. If another player calls them out for not blocking or missing an assignment, I rip the tail of the guy that said it, and end with an invitation to join us if he thinks its so dang easy. They need to know you have their back.
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Post by agap on Sept 18, 2017 15:44:21 GMT -6
We told players that they can either start on the OL or they can stand on the sidelines if they stayed at their current position.
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Post by freezeoption on Sept 18, 2017 16:17:31 GMT -6
You make it hard, you got to search for the kids that are mean, have a chip on their shoulder. I would not always worry about the size of the player when playing o line, if he has one of those qualities I would try to get him. Those are the guys. When we were short I would ask the rb coach or wr coach which kids they had that were not starting that had a mean side. Then you bust their tail and make it tough, but you just keep reinforcing that its got to be tough cause they are the toughest suckers on the team and keep it going. I'll add, wrestlers are ones I looked for. A lot of my wrestlers were my line. State championship team had my 130 pounder at center. he doubled a lot, faced a lot of forty fronts where he was uncovered and he was mean. I'm sure he did somethings in the pile that I didn't want to know about.
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Post by dblwngr on Sept 18, 2017 19:44:32 GMT -6
Ask them if they want to start on the OL or be a backup someplace else That works dandy for some. But when you only have 5 total linemen and the need is vital, you have to think outside the box. You have to build a culture somehow so it's not a recurring issue
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Post by td4tc on Sept 18, 2017 20:30:22 GMT -6
Over the years, one of the things I have tried is to involve more pulling. They love to pull in HS for some reason. Then you create an "H-back" which is really just an extra tackle but they don't know that. Then You pull GH instead and option the DE and shovel to the H for some love Then you put the H at TE even if he can't catch and do the same thing. pull GE.Or get crazy and throw him a stick route Then you go unbalanced and create a "tackle eligible" to give him some love with a pass. Let them make their own line calls so they feel like a unit. And give the unit a name eg Diesel, Pancakes When you're up big, put the big guy at FB and let him score.
A little love (getting the ball) goes a long way. And make your backs, even in practice, go back and high five the Oline every time they get an explosive run play
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 18, 2017 22:11:19 GMT -6
I agree with those that say you have to create a culture. There's those guys that are going to be linemen no matter what. Then there's the guys that could maybe see a couple plays in a skill position but are much better suited to the line. Those are the guys that need convincing. Let's be honest, practice for linemen can be pretty boring. During water you'll see them looking longingly at the fun drills the skill guys are doing. Sure you have to go through first steps and technical blocking but you also have to make it fun for them. My guys love to hit so I reward them with nasty hitting drills at the end of indy time.
We have three line coaches but only I am the full time guy, the other two show up when they can and they know I'm committed to them. I'm also a jackass that likes to have fun so we relate well. I treat them like my own sons. I laugh and joke with them, they know they can count on me if life goes sideways outside of football. I have great credibility with them and they will run through walls for me.
The team is a family but the linemen are a family within the family and I try to cultivate that. Nobody is going to eff with them. Try screwing with one and you're quickly going to find out what the inside of a locker or a trash can looks like.
That's my $.02.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 5:20:07 GMT -6
HC has also asked him to try and make his indy sessions more engaging.
What does that mean?
More upbeat, more fun and switching up the drills to keep the players interested.
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Post by murdr on Sept 19, 2017 6:56:45 GMT -6
Over the years, one of the things I have tried is to involve more pulling. They love to pull in HS for some reason. Then you create an "H-back" which is really just an extra tackle but they don't know that. Then You pull GH instead and option the DE and shovel to the H for some love Then you put the H at TE even if he can't catch and do the same thing. pull GE.Or get crazy and throw him a stick route Then you go unbalanced and create a "tackle eligible" to give him some love with a pass. Let them make their own line calls so they feel like a unit. And give the unit a name eg Diesel, Pancakes When you're up big, put the big guy at FB and let him score. A little love (getting the ball) goes a long way. And make your backs, even in practice, go back and high five the Oline every time they get an explosive run play That's what motivated me in high school. I played guard mostly, but my motivation was pulling, especially on Power, and getting the ball at fullback a couple of times. Though, I also loved pass protection, as it was much easier for me, a guy who never really learned how to use his strength.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Sept 19, 2017 7:18:38 GMT -6
Culture, culture, culture. Blue collar, rough and tumble, etc. I throw off on the backs all the time "theyre over there playing catch while were over here working", not in a mean way but just picking on the backs a little and reinforcing that culture and attitude with the OL. We use Wing-T blocking, down block and pull/trap a lot. My boys get to tee off on DL that don't know where the hit is coming from. Makes blocking fun instead of just trying to get on a DLs left or right and cut him off. Best linemen on the team is my LG, he also plays DT. He gets more big hits at G than he does at DT, kids want to hit. He was begging to start on the DL all off season, now hes glad when I rotate him out on Defense because it keeps him "fresh for Offense".
Backs get rewarded by touching the ball, being a star. Linemen get rewarded by the experience, by brotherhood. Love em; high 5s, fist bumps, hugs, pick on them, joke around, commend great blocks and toughness more than big plays. When the Offense comes off the field after a scoring drive every OL gets congratulated by me and I talk to them as a group(or at least the available linemen).
opportunity to get on the field is a big one. "Son, do you want to be the 3rd string H-Back or a starting Guard?"
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 19, 2017 7:42:09 GMT -6
Combat sports like MMA and to a lesser degree boxing are in the middle of a popularity surge among young people. When I was on the visor side of the ball I told those lineman that everybody else might be playing football, but what we were doing was about physical combat. I tried to tie a lot of terminology from those sports into my teaching, throwing double uppercuts when run blocking, throwing a jap into the outside shoulder of a speed rusher, beating an inside pass rush move with an inside arm hook...kids liking it, felt like they were training for a fight every week, and to be honest their feet got better, when they were thinking about throwing good strikes with their hands, they naturally widened their bases and staggered their feet correctly, most of the time anyway
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Post by StraightFlexin on Sept 19, 2017 8:13:23 GMT -6
Glorify the linemen in any way you can. Another thing I did was I would have offensive lineman catch punts to end team conditioning. "If ______ catches this punt, we are finished with conditioning today". Every kid wanted to be an offensive lineman at that moment. Everyone would also have fun and be pumped up whether they caught it or not. Nothing like seeing 45+ swamp and carry a lineman off the field to end practice.
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Post by fantom on Sept 19, 2017 8:14:45 GMT -6
More upbeat, more fun and switching up the drills to keep the players interested.
Longtime OL coach here and I'm trying to figure out what suggestions the HC has for making OL indy fun. Also, I don't believe in switching up drills. We're building habits and you do that through repetition.
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