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Post by throwahitch on Sept 17, 2017 23:03:19 GMT -6
Play the state champs this week.
Part of a team who hasn't won a game in a few years. Got the OC job back in April. Worked the Summer with the kids. New scheme. We are 0-3 in large part to do with the inexperience of the players. False starts and late hits kill our drives. Lack of effort all around, and we don't have the numbers to replace the kids. I'm at a total loss for words. Watching film from our check with me offense. Only made about two bad calls the whole game. The rest of it was honestly just laziness. Would like to pull out a few wins this season. How do you motivate kids when they've been allowed to lose every game, and with no real structure prior to this year. It's like they don't know how to play hard.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 17, 2017 23:05:30 GMT -6
We show glimmers of progress at times, and the kids honestly have all the talent in the world. But it's like they don't feel like it's worth their time to put in the effort on Monday through Thursday, and in all honesty they don't on fridays. I've never seen anything like this.
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Post by CS on Sept 18, 2017 4:05:45 GMT -6
Do you coach the Jr. High? How is their effort? We had a coach around here take over a program like that. He shut down the high school team and just coached the Jr. High kids up.
They got used to winning and it changed the culture. You may not have that kind of power but if they have been that way for years its damn near impossible to change their attitude now.
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Post by newt21 on Sept 18, 2017 5:14:39 GMT -6
Find a way to break the monotony of practice. We did that and have had our best two practices in a row. It was as simple as me taking the OL for 15 min and my OL coach taking the skill guys for 15 min. I worked block tech (how to hit thru defender) and he had them hitting the sled. Gave them more confidence and lit a fire.
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Post by **** on Sept 18, 2017 6:06:15 GMT -6
Your either coaching it that way or allowing it to happen.
You have to be fired up at every practice so they are fired up at every practice. When I am foaming at the mouth going out to practice the kids feed off that energy.
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Post by murdr on Sept 18, 2017 6:20:57 GMT -6
I'd say it starts with culture. You're already at the bottom. Cut the cancers out, and only bring the kids that give effort, and reward them for that effort.
There are many ways to do this. Some of the best I've seen are in Culture Defeats Strategy.
And it's not just players. It's students, teachers, the AD, the principal, the boosters, and the fans. You have to build that foundation with them to start on a winning track. If everybody else buys in, and the players see that, they will too. If making fun of the football kids is a common thing among students and teachers, they will not.
Of course, these are all vague ideas, but they're still valid. The kids won't buy in until everyone else does. And as long as you can show consistent improvement on the field, even if ever so slightly, good players will stop avoiding your school.
But again, very vague. Read Culture Defeats Strategy.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 18, 2017 13:23:02 GMT -6
Half our team isn't at practice.
Guys what do I do. This is ridiculous. Like we have 10 -15 kids.
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Post by blb on Sept 18, 2017 13:29:55 GMT -6
Half our team isn't at practice. Guys what do I do. This is ridiculous. Like we have 10 -15 kids.
What are your consequences for unexcused absences?
How many of the absentees have missed before?
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 18, 2017 13:40:36 GMT -6
You have to take the focus off of the outcome of the games, which is really hard to do because to the kids and the people around them losing makes you a loser.
For example, you ain't winning this one against the state champs I assume, so find other positive things you might draw out of the game and celebrate the hell out of those things. Level with the kids, you'd be surprised how they react to honesty, have an award for the kid who continues to play hard when the score gets ugly. Recognize the guys that do things a little bit better than last week etc.
You gotta change the way you look at it as well and refocus your own ideas of what success looks like for your team, if what you are telling them isn't how you really feel it isn't worth crap. If you are committed to building something in that program then start small, work up, and be patient.
I don't think some slogans and t-shirts and trust fall exercises are the path to turning things around, what you need is time and hell of a lot of hard work.
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Post by murdr on Sept 18, 2017 13:44:13 GMT -6
Adding to what was said above, look at the Coahoma episode of Last Chance U. They lost 45-0, but that coach made those kids believe in themselves. They won the next game for their first win in three years.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 18, 2017 14:11:03 GMT -6
Half our team isn't at practice. Guys what do I do. This is ridiculous. Like we have 10 -15 kids.
What are your consequences for unexcused absences?
How many of the absentees have missed before?
None in place tried to implement them was told the headman would take care of it. But he doesn't. |
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Post by fkaboneyard on Sept 18, 2017 15:32:14 GMT -6
If you're not the HC and the HC isn't committed to fixing these problems it's not going to be fixed. Ultimately, its not your deal it's his and you have to support him. If you are unhappy then you need to find another gig.
Last year I was at a school where the HC and I struggled to get on the same page. I had many objections with how he runs his program (as did the other assistant coaches). The members of this forum helped me realize that my job is to support the HC, even if he is wrong. Once I learned that I was much happier (as was the HC). When the season was over I split (that's another story). I'm now at a school where I feel good giving the HC my full support, even when I disagree with him.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2017 17:11:38 GMT -6
What are your consequences for unexcused absences?
How many of the absentees have missed before?
None in place tried to implement them was told the headman would take care of it. But he doesn't. This is the week to do it. You aren't beating the state champs at 0-3 and haven't won in a few years. The guys who miss, sit this game. Most state champion programs understand the game and the last thing they want is to get a starter hurt against you guys. After 28-0 (or worse) first quarter, you might not see the best players. Get a running clock and get the game over. Reward the guys who are at practice. Something has to change. |
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Post by wingtol on Sept 18, 2017 17:34:08 GMT -6
What kind of school is this? Not to sound harsh but sometimes the community and culture surrounding a school are too much to over come no matter what you do.
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Post by throwahitch on Sept 18, 2017 17:38:23 GMT -6
None in place tried to implement them was told the headman would take care of it. But he doesn't. This is the week to do it. You are beating the state champs at 0-3 and haven't won in a few years. The guys who miss, sit this game. Most state champion programs understand the game and the last thing they want is to get a starter hurt against you guys. After 28-0 (or worse) first quarter, you might not see the best players. Get a running clock and get the game over. Reward the guys who are at practice. Something has to change. I whole heartedly agree. Talking to some of our committed players today. I found out this is a trick the linemen pull. They "hurt" something and they need to stay of of it Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. But Thursday they're good and Friday. But only if they rest, and apparently it's been happening for a while. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 18, 2017 18:29:21 GMT -6
This is the week to do it. You are beating the state champs at 0-3 and haven't won in a few years. The guys who miss, sit this game. Most state champion programs understand the game and the last thing they want is to get a starter hurt against you guys. After 28-0 (or worse) first quarter, you might not see the best players. Get a running clock and get the game over. Reward the guys who are at practice. Something has to change. I whole heartedly agree. Talking to some of our committed players today. I found out this is a trick the linemen pull. They "hurt" something and they need to stay of of it Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. But Thursday they're good and Friday. But only if they rest, and apparently it's been happening for a while. Quit. I am serious. Work this year, have fun with the kids who are working hard, and then quit in November. If the head coach doesn't care, do NOT work your behind off and raise your blood pressure over it. |
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Post by Defcord on Sept 18, 2017 18:48:16 GMT -6
Play the state champs this week. Part of a team who hasn't won a game in a few years. Got the OC job back in April. Worked the Summer with the kids. New scheme. We are 0-3 in large part to do with the inexperience of the players. False starts and late hits kill our drives. Lack of effort all around, and we don't have the numbers to replace the kids. I'm at a total loss for words. Watching film from our check with me offense. Only made about two bad calls the whole game. The rest of it was honestly just laziness. Would like to pull out a few wins this season. How do you motivate kids when they've been allowed to lose every game, and with no real structure prior to this year. It's like they don't know how to play hard. They probably don't know how to play hard. Honesty and consistency are the best weapons. Hold them as accountable as you can. The head coach is the head coach so you can't override him. Behind close doors you can have conversations to stay on the page for his goals. If accountability is one and kids aren't showing up for practice with no consequence, it's fair to ask him to about how this policy is in line with his goal. Back to accountability. Coach the kids up every play in practice and on film. When kids make mistakes point them out in a nonpersonal manner and ask them if their effort and execution is bringing them closer to their personal goals. Highlight great effort and execution and point out how it allowed them to contribute to personal and team success. It's a process. Like losing weight. I can eat salad tomorrow but one day won't make me skinny. |
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Post by blb on Sept 18, 2017 19:28:57 GMT -6
No practice, no play.
You can't turn around a program if the inmates are running the asylum.
How much worse could it get?
You're not winning with the talented but lazy players anyway.
HS football should be about teaching commitment, responsibility-accountability.
Not just running pass routes or where to line up.
HC is not going to change nor are results.
Fiunish the season and move on.
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 20, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -6
They only pull what you let them pull. Sit them out. The best thing we did many years ago was didn't play five starters for various stupidity the first game. The next week we only had to sit three of them. We won 5 of our last 6 games and almost made the playoffs our first year at a school that had never been to the playoffs. With that said we didn't ever accept laziness. We coached with passion and enthusiasm everyday. We were in the early stages of building something very special. fshamrock said something important. Focus on getting better, not necessarily winning and losing. If you do the things right that it takes to win, winning will come. At another place I was at I worked for a head coach that took over a program that was down. All he did was talk about winning, and we struggled. The kids lost confidence and we got worse as the season progressed. Focus on effort and emphasize it everyday. Find small victories in everything you do. Find ways to build confidence, and hold them accountable for screwing around and being lazy. You have to build the mentality first. |
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 21, 2017 6:56:32 GMT -6
You can not accept it. I took over a poor program this year and I reiterated to the kids that I would much rather go into a game with 15 kids who WANT to play over 30 kids on the sideline (Our numbers are low) and we haven't had any practice issues. Now you have to work on changing the culture, but like several coaches stated above, it starts and stops with the HC.
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Post by Coach Vint on Sept 21, 2017 10:17:20 GMT -6
You can not accept it. I took over a poor program this year and I reiterated to the kids that I would much rather go into a game with 15 kids who WANT to play over 30 kids on the sideline (Our numbers are low) and we haven't had any practice issues. Now you have to work on changing the culture, but like several coaches stated above, it starts and stops with the HC. is a great resource! Dude can coach some ball and will get the program going! |
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 21, 2017 10:36:01 GMT -6
You can not accept it. I took over a poor program this year and I reiterated to the kids that I would much rather go into a game with 15 kids who WANT to play over 30 kids on the sideline (Our numbers are low) and we haven't had any practice issues. Now you have to work on changing the culture, but like several coaches stated above, it starts and stops with the HC. is a great resource! Dude can coach some ball and will get the program going! Thanks Coach, much appreciated and much obliged! |
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Post by aceback76 on Sept 21, 2017 13:50:09 GMT -6
Play the state champs this week. Part of a team who hasn't won a game in a few years. Got the OC job back in April. Worked the Summer with the kids. New scheme. We are 0-3 in large part to do with the inexperience of the players. False starts and late hits kill our drives. Lack of effort all around, and we don't have the numbers to replace the kids. I'm at a total loss for words. Watching film from our check with me offense. Only made about two bad calls the whole game. The rest of it was honestly just laziness. Would like to pull out a few wins this season. How do you motivate kids when they've been allowed to lose every game, and with no real structure prior to this year. It's like they don't know how to play hard. By never OVER-ESTIMATING any opponent. We tell our kids that "IF you ALL play to the BEST OF YOUR ABILITY for 48 minutes, we can BEAT _______"! SELL that a thousand-fold!!! If they don't, you won't win anyway! |
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