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Post by tog on Jul 10, 2005 10:49:47 GMT -6
I would say OL, simply because it has the most guys.
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champyun
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Post by champyun on Jul 10, 2005 12:33:40 GMT -6
I agree, OL is the toughest. Not to mention, if you are not being successful Offensively, then you're probably going to receive the blame, even if it doesn't lie with you or your kids.
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Post by thurman on Jul 10, 2005 12:43:51 GMT -6
I will agree... I coached the Oline for the first time this spring.. and man.. it was stressful.. 1 coach and 5 positions.. with all of them doing different stuff on every play.. its tough.. first time ever that I actually didnt enjoy practice.. it was more like work.. lol
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Post by tog on Jul 10, 2005 15:50:38 GMT -6
During practice you kind of have to just see it all. You also have to know the scheme well enough to just know what went wrong when you don't really "see" it. You just know.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 10, 2005 16:05:34 GMT -6
uh, coaching the secondary ain't too easy. secondary coaches seem to take the most abuse from head coaches, too......imo
i dont think i could go back to coaching db's
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Post by tog on Jul 10, 2005 16:17:16 GMT -6
Well, being an ol guy, the ol stuff isn't bad. But me going to the secondary would be tough.
Especially since i throw like a girl
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Post by tog on Jul 10, 2005 16:42:05 GMT -6
 tog as db coach kw, we film inside and team as well, try to get them in right after practice to go over inside and coach em up even more most of the time during practice though, it is little hand gestures or sayings like "coconuts" tells them their stance is too wide, (you figure it out)  |
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Post by SlipScreen on Jul 11, 2005 15:09:28 GMT -6
I would say OL and DB are about equally hard because as you say, you cannot see everything. That is why we use 2 coaches for both of those positions. We only have six coaches and sometimes this stretches us at the other spots, but I believe it is well worth it.
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Post by kakavian on Jul 21, 2005 9:28:23 GMT -6
For us Fat Ole Guys the DB's are tough just physically to keep up with.
I enjoy working with the Line the most especially OL, but it is very very taxing. They require the most attention, and mixture of love and discipline of all the positions, especially because they dont always get to see the results of their work. They dont score touchdowns themselves, they dont get to run in the passes, they just slobberknocker that guy in front of them for the next forty-odd minutes. Mushrooms, man, Mushrooms.
Now as far as dealing with snippy, "I'm queen of the world" BS, Receivers take the cake. Attitude is EVERYTHING in qide receivers.
As far as skills, the next toughest after the OL are the LB's to me. You have to learn your keys, learn your pass coverages, pursuit angles against the run, and move, move, move. They require the most activity, doing everything on the run.
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Post by wreckingcrew98 on Jul 21, 2005 10:08:46 GMT -6
Being an O-line/D-line myself I would have to say it depends on the scheme. Some Offensive lineman have relatively simple schemes to learn that apply to many plays while some have a different scheme for every play. Granted teaching blocking technique and fundamentals is harder to do when you have more guys, but I would say coaching a GOOD and I stress GOOD and complete QB is also a difficult task.
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Post by coachcalande on Jul 21, 2005 10:44:32 GMT -6
Ill say dback. I love to coach the oline so its not hard, i hate to coach dbacks and qbs.
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Post by hawke on Jul 21, 2005 11:10:32 GMT -6
After all my years I have coached all positions and specialties at one time or another. I won't dare venture to say which is most difficult but I will state that if you want to be a good football team find a great offensive line coach and a great secondary coach. All other areas - Yoda - "Do or do not, there is no try." Hawke
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Post by baraboo99 on Jul 22, 2005 15:07:34 GMT -6
For me coaching our OL is definitely the hardest. I have to make sure basically all 10 of my OL players know how to play each position. Unfortunately due to work, family, etc I have had 4 different starting units in 6 games. Also 8 of them play on defense, with as many as 4 of them starting... so I have definitely had to learn the art of speed coaching!
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Post by stevieray on Jul 23, 2005 7:08:47 GMT -6
Agree that OL/DB's are most difficult at varsity level. On the underneath levels, with a two man staff, I think it is difficult to coach LB'ers properly when you have the whole front seven to coach.
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Post by stevieray on Jul 23, 2005 13:28:28 GMT -6
You do what you have to do. It is not uncommon for 7th, 8th, and 9th grade teams to have only two coaches each at the 3A level and below. Last year we had 10 coaches--4 responsible for JV/Varsity, and two each for 7th, 8th, and Freshman. We are adding two coaches this year--one assigned to Freshman and one to JV/Varsity. JrH coaches have to be resourceful and imaginative to be effective. We also get film at this level to be as competitive as possible.
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Post by stevieray on Jul 23, 2005 19:35:50 GMT -6
No volunteer coaches are used in TX. You must be a full-time employee of the school district. If you are an aide you are subject to overtime pay and schools are not fond of that. So, all coaches are generally teacher/coaches with one or two athletic periods and 3-5 classroom teaching assignments. With our school finances we are lucking to have what we got. Of course there are much better off districts with better situations.
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Post by baraboo99 on Jul 23, 2005 20:03:16 GMT -6
I am my teams only coach... so I do the best I can with having some of my veteran players lead their positions during individual drills. But so I can work with as many players as I can I rotate amongst all the positions during practice and we also do a lot of team drills.
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Post by Olineiq on Jul 31, 2005 21:03:16 GMT -6
Actually to coach JH you dont have to be a full time employee of the school district.
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Post by smd on Aug 1, 2005 6:20:42 GMT -6
OL and DB.
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Post by coltscoach on Aug 1, 2005 7:39:32 GMT -6
Nope and I cant believe no one brought this up. The hardest position to coach is the "GET BACK COACH" I believe that during a game this is the hardest position to coach. You get no support everyone is yelling at you, you have had little to no practice time and you never get "Coach GETBACK you did a great job tonight keeping those kids back" Yeap that has been the hardest position to coach in football ...
Of course I could be wrong
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Post by easternkycoach on Aug 6, 2005 2:08:34 GMT -6
1. O-Line is the toughest, you are often left with some of the more unathletic players.
2. DB is second, one mistake by a linebacker or end is usually a missed tackle, one mistake by a DB is often six points for the opponent!
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Post by zonereadfootball on Aug 26, 2005 21:44:05 GMT -6
Thats a good one coltscoach. I strongly agree. I dont know what I would do without him.
Offensive line can be tough at times and frustrating but I would never do anything else besides that. This year is my first at switching positions and I have moved to running backs and I am having a hard time. My passion is offenisive line. What makes it even harder is the o line coach that bumped me out is a retired older college coach, so he doesnt see what I see all the time. Frustrating, but I dont want to step on his toes and coach his position. That one policy that I strongly believe in. Coach your position and your position only. So in the mean time.........go running backs
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Post by coachgregory on Sept 1, 2005 14:02:05 GMT -6
Oline for sure. I love coaching it but it takes a lot out of you. Between watching individual technqiue, schemes, getting assignments down it can be taxing at times. Receivers and DB's are the next worse ones for me.
Jack
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Post by phantom on Sept 1, 2005 19:37:19 GMT -6
OK, I'll play devil's advocate. I coach both OL and DBs. With OL you don't get great athletes but you're getting the best kids on the team. They're intelligent, they know that they're not great athletes, and they're willing to do whatever it takes to get on the field. They're the most coachable guys on the team and they don't come off unless a bone is sticking out.
DBs are the best athletes on the team. Yeah, coaching the best players is a REAL burden. Sure, there's pressure because a mistake there means a TD. That's what the big bucks are for. It's fun being on the edge. There are highs and lows. Isn't that why we play the game, though?
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Post by tosssweep on Sept 2, 2005 7:19:41 GMT -6
Well, being an ol guy, the ol stuff isn't bad. But me going to the secondary would be tough. Especially since i throw like a girl That is HILARIOUS. I am a Secondary Coach (for the past 2 yrs) and I have a wet noodle for an arm. My players are always giving me a hard time about it. The HC tried to QB "coach me up" but I am awful. I was a DT in High School and never touched a football. I have to designate a QB in each drill so the players get a good look and I save myself the embarrassment. I know my stuff, but the arm thing kills me. Too funny. |
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Post by tosssweep on Sept 13, 2005 10:06:42 GMT -6
By the way, coaching the Slotbacks in a Flexbone is a PAIN, although not as bad as Secondary.
Motions, Iso Blocking, receiving, routes, Cut blocking, etc...
Utter headache.
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Post by splitricky5 on Oct 11, 2005 10:46:55 GMT -6
The worst position to coach is the one that is playing the poorest because everyone looks at you. Last season I had an all-stater go down with a blownout knee and I went from the second-coming of Vince to Henry Winkler in the Waterboy.
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Post by ogie4 on Oct 26, 2005 7:01:48 GMT -6
Defensive backs because the reads can get tricky
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Post by williamcrehan on Oct 26, 2005 8:06:58 GMT -6
I know I have to go out on a limb, but the toughest position to coach is the DE. You have to make sure he doesn't get hooked by a TE, not kicked out by a RB, he has contain, but must rush the passer, then after all that, he has to stay home for bootleg and reverse.
I don't know if it is the toughest to coach or to play. This is coming from an old WR/DB player.
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