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Post by swarm2ball on Jan 30, 2006 21:11:10 GMT -6
With singing day quickly arriving...
Any coaches out there with kids who are going to make their final decision in front of a press conference at school? I should say I am not one of them, but wondering what some coaches have to say about the whole recruiting process and the signing day ordeal. Got to be one exciting day for family and the school!
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 30, 2006 21:51:41 GMT -6
I think it is pure CRAP. The kids play entirely to much to the media. The recruting process in general has become very little than coaches simply paying hommage to unproven H.S. athletes hoping they can deliver the golden calf.
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Post by swarm2ball on Jan 30, 2006 22:07:37 GMT -6
5085,
Are you saying you have had bad experiences with the recruiting process?
I know that the process can be long and arduous. But it must be some relief to HS coaches and families to finally see their stand-out pick a school.
It would be interesting to hear some coaches talk about the mental processes that their kids have gone through to make such a decision. Did you feel that you had some influence? What are kids mostly influenced on and by? What was your relationship like with the college coaches? Did you ever have time to talk football or did all they care about was your player and off they were to another school/city?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 30, 2006 22:42:46 GMT -6
Swarm...as a former college guy, I just get more and more frustrated with the giant egos these kids are getting. The main culprit BY FAR are the recruiting services. They just inflate this kids so much, that the kids really lose track of their signifigance or place. I am simply disgusted by the now common "press conference" in which a kid hams it up on TV, pretending to be interested in one offer, then spurning it and picking up another letter... Simply disgusting. Boys and Girls, for your history lesson today, I give you MAURICE CLARETT.
I love what Bobby Knight did several years ago, exposing one service by making up a recruit, just to see what the service would do.
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Post by airman on Jan 30, 2006 23:28:12 GMT -6
my job is not to develop players to play college football. my job is to win football games at the h.s. I am at.
these recruiting services pimp these kids. rivals orscout.com. they play off these teams fans. fans are such loosers.
recruitniks are loosers as well.
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Post by champyun on Jan 31, 2006 9:08:04 GMT -6
Speaking of recruiting.......
How do you guys interpret the Div. III schools recruiting process? I mean, I realize that they don't give scholarships, but give me your insight as to whether they are sincere in getting your player there for the "right" reasons. I hope you guys can interpret what I mean.
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Post by amikell on Jan 31, 2006 11:44:09 GMT -6
chamyun,
in my limited experience, the non scholarship kids have been recruited and went to the schools for the right reasons. this past year, the best "football" player on the team went to MIT. could he have played higher? i think so, but he wanted to ensure that he got a GREAT education. he'll be a star at that level on the OL. We also had a young man walk on to William and Mary this past season. They took a chance on him, but it's the kind of program where they will nuture and push an athlete who may be a little sub par athleticall but has the work ethic to survive athletically and the smarts to survive academically. it's a great program ran by jimmye leacock.
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Post by jimbohale on Jan 31, 2006 14:27:36 GMT -6
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Post by amikell on Jan 31, 2006 15:23:23 GMT -6
ok that's freaking hillarious
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2006 16:57:46 GMT -6
airman, I agree with you 100%. The fact that "recruiting" has become a spectator event, is really hurting the kids in the end.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 3, 2006 20:25:27 GMT -6
It does, but you guys have to be happy that most kids get a chance to follow their dreams play College football and get an education.
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Post by jimbohale on Feb 4, 2006 1:52:03 GMT -6
Can any of you Texas coaches give me some info on Matthew Stafford of Dallas? Georgia signed him. He enrolled early and from what I hear he has a decent chance of playing early on.
I've heard he can throw real well...is he mobile?
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 4, 2006 6:08:37 GMT -6
Dawhip..... Most kids? Hardly. Some kids, sure, and these same kids would have done just fine without rivals or any other kid pimp agency filling them up with false bravado.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 4, 2006 7:21:04 GMT -6
Coach, I can't speak for any one's elses school but mine and we have signed at least two D-I players every year for the pass 4 years and only 2 of those guys have had the big head.
Kids have the same bravado, when you make them a starter on your team both ways and they know your game plan revolves around them.
My Senior year in High School my team produced 4 GA Top 50 ballplayers and had 14 sign schollys and only one had the big head. So maybe I've just been blessed to be around good people.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 4, 2006 8:08:36 GMT -6
Oh, i agree. If I thought all kids were bad, I would get out of the business. I am simply 100% ANTI the current recruiting situation. I hate that recruiting has become a "spectator" sport, selling memberships to sites such as rivals.com and scout.com
When I was taking a siesta from the coaching gig, (after college coaching) in the corporate world, I was dumbfounded to sit around the water cooler and listen to guys talk about the recruiting scene. I kid you not, these guys spent 2 to 3 hours reading these "expert" sites, and would then discuss the recruiting happenings. I used to love hearing the businessmen talk about "so and so being a step slow, or undersized, or whatever" as if they had any knowledge other than what they read on an internet chat site.
I just don't like the idolization of H.S. kids and that is what recruiting is right now. Getting worse too.
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Post by phantom on Feb 4, 2006 11:22:54 GMT -6
With singing day quickly arriving... Any coaches out there with kids who are going to make their final decision in front of a press conference at school? I should say I am not one of them, but wondering what some coaches have to say about the whole recruiting process and the signing day ordeal. Got to be one exciting day for family and the school! We had a press conference. I couldn't make it but the guys who did enjoyed it. Recruiting is crazy and the internet and all of the rest of the media has a lot to do with it. Everything and everybody is public and fair game now it seems. Otherwise intelligent grown folks spend hours on message boards discussing and often demeaning or adoring 18 year old kids who they've never met or even seen play. A couple of years ago we had a college program rescind an offer to one of our kids for an understandable reason- his brother played at another school and they didn't want to waste time and money chasing a player who was probably not coming. Problem was they didn't make it public. The message boards went crazy with rumors about the kid's character, ability, and animosity between the college coach and our HC. This year, after we had to read in the paper that one of our guys had verballed, the HC got a call from some fan Web site (not one of the big sites. They tend to be pretty easy to work with.) demanding that he set up with an interview with the player. When the boss refused (and I'll admit that the refusal took the form of pretty colorful language) the reporter went to an in-state school's message board and called our HC a punk. To their credit, the message board regulars unanimously asked the guy why he was posting that on THEIR board and why he thought our coach owed him anything. There. I've gotten that off my chest. Don't get me started on recruiters now. |
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Post by airman on Feb 4, 2006 11:34:10 GMT -6
It does, but you guys have to be happy that most kids get a chance to follow their dreams play College football and get an education. most fail to graduate at big time progtrams. I remember the knight foundation who tracks graduations rate printed themone time, they were bad. for example, I remember the bcs game between lsu and oklahoma. oklahoma graduated only 33% of its players and lsu 25%. so getting this free education is a bunch of junk in most cases. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 4, 2006 12:01:52 GMT -6
As a Math Teacher, I can tell you those numbers are skewed.
If he doesn't finish in 4 years, he doesn't count. (So he he goes pro counts againist you or if he takes 5 years same thing the average college kid graduates in 4.65 years)
If he transfers, counts againist you.
The don't take into account howmany change majors either.
If they did these things the numbers would be higher, you can always make stats say what you want them 2. ;D
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Post by airman on Feb 4, 2006 12:08:46 GMT -6
actually the knight foundation does take those into account. the ncaa does not.
i guess I am looking at it from a very simple stand point.
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I look at northwestern and view that as a model program whne it comes to student/athlete.
northwestern does not have football and basketball studies like other big ten schools do. their students actually have to attend class. this isi what college sports should be about not devlopemental leagues for pro football and basketball.
infact, I think you should have t to choose, go pro at 18 or sign for 4 to 5 years in college. no early outs for the pros.
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 4, 2006 12:22:17 GMT -6
As a graduate of Georgia Tech, our football graduation rate is low and our students have to attend class, but there are no freebies there, simply because of the type of school we are. But I do believe that students who sign to go here want a college degree, but I understand why they might leave early.
Prime example, I don't expect Calvin Johnson to return to Ga. Tech for his senior season after next year, but it would be nice for him to complete his Computer Eng. Degree on time, but a good number of our players come back i.e., Nick Fer. of The Broncos, Joey Ham., etcc.....
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Post by phantom on Feb 4, 2006 13:37:58 GMT -6
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with a guy leaving college early to play pro football. The guy has a chance to make a lot of money and, if he stays in college, has a chance to get hurt and ruin his chance to make the NFL. If a guy wants to go back to college after his pro career there's nothing stopping him. Or, instead of a college degree, he can get a REAL education by buying a lot of books and reading them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 4, 2006 16:57:45 GMT -6
Phantom,
I agree with you 100% in that if a computer science major was offered a big time job at Microsoft, would anyone say "NO no, don't leave early, stay in college and get your degree?"
That said, I think the easiest way to handle this is for NCAA sports to REFUSE to be a minor league farm system. The sport with the least "hassle" and academic issues is the sport with the most established minor league. If the pro leagues really promoted their minor league systems... then it would be a lot better for the NCAA in terms of hassle and scandal. Of course, the quality of play would drop too. .
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 5, 2006 11:25:09 GMT -6
The biggest fundraiser for NCAA schools is NCAA sports.
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