clloyd
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Post by clloyd on May 16, 2007 21:25:30 GMT -6
We are in a position of probably having to make cuts for the first time in the programs history. I don't think we will have enough equpiment for everyone that comes out the first day. If I don't have enough equipment for everyone what is the best way to make cuts or evaluate the players. Can I really justify a cut even if I haven't seen the player in full equipment. Just looking for some ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Post by briangilbert on May 16, 2007 22:59:38 GMT -6
1) Ask if the kids who would be cut it they would be willing to stick it out without pads
2) If they say no to that proposal cut them.
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Post by coachjd on May 17, 2007 4:42:40 GMT -6
hit up some local business or service clubs and ask for money to buy new equipment. I would not cut anyone. I am not aware of your situation, but I would not cut any kids. We have a 5A team here in Minnesota that dresses about 140 kids for all of their games. The kids have excepted their roll on the team and are willing to practice hard to be apart of the team.
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Post by coach79 on May 17, 2007 5:50:30 GMT -6
140!?!?! WOW!!! When i played we dressed 55 and that was it. A 3A school up north dresses 80 for their games
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Post by tvt50 on May 17, 2007 6:29:31 GMT -6
Cut the ones that dont work and are committed!
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Post by tvt50 on May 17, 2007 6:30:53 GMT -6
"Im sorry we dont have a place for you on the team" "Ive only got 55 spots and your not one of them. Sorry."
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Post by s1ngwing on May 17, 2007 10:29:20 GMT -6
We have about 120 come out each year for varsity and JV. We can only effectively coach about 80 because the county limits us to only 7 coaches (6 paid, 1 volunteer). Any more than 80 and its hard for all the kids to get reps and instruction. We tell them the first day that we do not cut lineman. If they want to move to O-Line they are guaranteed to make the team. Now some of the bigger kids that think they are a FB or TE and really are not are encouraged to move to OL. We also do not cut program kids. If they have been with us for 9-11 we will not cut them their senior year even if they have not developed much. When we cut we meet as a staff with each kid individually. Every kid that tries out comes into our office with their items ready to take home as if they are not going to make the team. They all line up at one door. They come in on at a time and we talk to them. We tell them if they made the team or not. We tell all of them what they need to work on. The kids leave out another door so they do not have to face anyone after they have been cut.
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Post by wildcat on May 17, 2007 11:58:02 GMT -6
How many kids will you have to cut?
Isn't there any community group that could pony up some extra gear? A real shame when kids have to be cut for football...
The other thing is to let the kids cut themselves...make practice a little tougher and a lot of the weaker-willed kids will weed themselves out.
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Post by jhanawa on May 17, 2007 11:59:41 GMT -6
Numbers are a nice problem to have, but at some point equipment and the number of coaches will dictate that cuts are necessary, if not, in certain cases could you imagine 200 kids out for Varsity?
I assume your talking about Varsity. Easiest thing would be to fill the JV roster to capacity and then cut from there. On the Frosh level I'd try to keep everybody, suit the best players and develop the others in a "developmental" program of weights, running, and practicing in shorts/shirts so they are still part of the program. I'd hate to turn a young kid with 4 years left at the school away from the program, could be a late bloomer.
However, at a certain point, the facts must be faced that football isn't for everybody. With those kind of numbers, I doubt that every kid out there really belongs out there. I'd start with some sort of criteria, you'll have to rate the value of each:
Grades (Are they going to stay elligible or hurt the team by becoming inelligible)
Program committment (have they been out there every year and trying or are they a senior coming out for the first time?)
Work ethic
Character (are they a good reflection on the team)
Attendance at pre season events, summer workouts
Goes 100% at Practice (easy to cut the slackers)
Ability (can they help the team)
Size, Strength, Athleticism (from a safety standpoint, is the kid 85lbs and going to get killed)
Good luck.
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Post by djwesp on May 17, 2007 17:26:28 GMT -6
When we started we had 28 on the team.
4 years later we have 175 total come out for JV and Varsity.
We don't cut anyone. We don't plan on it. We have more people on the team now than have played total in probably the last 6 or 7 years. Everyone helps us get better, and those kids have brought us out of the dumpster INTO the state title game.
If someone doesn't show up to practice cut them, if someone has a bad attitude, cut them. That's the only way you leave our team.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 17, 2007 17:36:33 GMT -6
clloyd...are you talking for spring ball? (I realize most are finishing up, but I figure some could be starting later)
If you are talking fall ball...just have a very intense off-season. Make them EARN their equipment in the off-season.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2007 18:25:24 GMT -6
I'm with wildcat and coachjd. I would not even consider cutting kids until ALL options have been exercised. Maybe you've done that, but I would hate to tell a kid he can't participate in the greatest sport ever without doing everything possible to make sure it doesn't have to happen.
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Post by coachshs on May 17, 2007 19:37:30 GMT -6
We are in a position of probably having to make cuts for the first time in the programs history. I don't think we will have enough equpiment for everyone that comes out the first day. If I don't have enough equipment for everyone what is the best way to make cuts or evaluate the players. Can I really justify a cut even if I haven't seen the player in full equipment. Just looking for some ideas? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Don't cut! I would coach for free if it meant buying equipment for my athletes vs. cutting them. It is just not an option. I wish I had that problem! |
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clloyd
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Post by clloyd on May 18, 2007 20:48:03 GMT -6
I understands everyone's point about not cutting. In a perfect world I would not want to. It is dictated by equipment and coaches. My true feelings are to keep as many freshman as possible and to take a hard look at the upperclassmen that come out late or have never played before. As someone said the freshmen may develop later. We have not had alot of success with the upperclassmen that come out late.
Thanks for all of the suggestions.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2007 20:57:55 GMT -6
If you absolutely have to cut, coach, I think that's a solid approach.
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Post by kboyd on May 20, 2007 9:36:45 GMT -6
We don't cut kids and we'll probably be up to 80 this year. We've been fortunate enough to be able to buy equipment when we needed it and if we couldn't, our governing body Football Manitoba will provide equipment for a minimal rental fee. A friend of mine is LB coach for the Under 17 Provincial Team and had 56 linebackers come out for tryouts. He used a grading system that he developed to pick the top players and by doing so had "stats" that he could use to show why a kid was being cut. I haven't seen this chart yet but I would like to get a look at it. He's good about sharing info and if he wants to share his form I'll post it up later.
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Post by coachcb on May 20, 2007 11:44:47 GMT -6
I would do everything I could to not have to cut; the funding is out there, you just need to dig for it.
I'd make a royal pain of myself in this situation also; getting the word out that we have to cut due to lack of equipment. Someone will step up for you.
But, if I did have to cut, I go with the sophmores first.
But I'd keep track of everything (not just talent alone); if they've been in the weight room, if they've made workouts in the morning, what kind of attitude they've got, etc....
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