|
Post by Castor on May 3, 2017 20:42:36 GMT -6
Being from Texas this is a normal thing, but I know from reading on here not all states are like this.
I'm just wondering how many, and which states, require this?
Or rather what states require you to be a certified teacher to coach?
|
|
|
Post by coachd5085 on May 3, 2017 22:24:17 GMT -6
Being from Texas this is a normal thing, but I know from reading on here not all states are like this. I'm just wondering how many, and which states, require this? Or rather what states require you to be a certified teacher to coach? So, which question are you asking? Are you asking if you have to be a certified teacher to coach, or are you asking if you have to teach in the district you coach in, but teach in another district?
|
|
|
Post by coachklee on May 4, 2017 4:37:34 GMT -6
Michigan has no requirements, although I'd say 1/2 if not more of all HCs are typically a teacher or admin for the district they coach in. In my experience, assistants on the other hand seem to be from outside education or at least that is might be true for smaller to middle sized schools.
|
|
|
Post by dijackson08 on May 4, 2017 4:46:00 GMT -6
Louisiana requires the head coach to be on faculty, and when I left you were allowed to hire up to 4 non-faculty stipend only coaches. Could also hire student coaches that were education majors at local colleges that didn't count against your 4 non-faculty total. I left and moved to Texas after the 2014 season so I'm not 100% positive if that's still the rules.
|
|
|
Post by macdiiddy on May 4, 2017 6:36:55 GMT -6
No requirements in Indiana for either
|
|
|
Post by 50slantstrong on May 4, 2017 8:27:24 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure here in California the law is that the district requires its coaches make a living doing anything but work at the school/district they coach for.
|
|
|
Post by Castor on May 4, 2017 8:35:03 GMT -6
Mainly I'm asking if you have to be a certified teacher at the school you coach at.
In Texas, we can't teach at one school and coach at another, most are on dual contracts. We also cannot have "people off the street" coaching at our high schools.
I've heard alot of stories on here about how coaches get paid a stipend for coaching but it's not their primary job, so they don't always show up when they are supposed to. Here if you do that, you'll most likely be getting fired.
I'm mainly just wondering what other places are like Texas in that regard. Being here my whole life and coaching/teaching here, It seems like a cluster what some of you go through as far as coaching staff attendance and help.
This is in no way meant to sound like "Texas is better than everywhere else," I'm just trying to find other states that are similar.
|
|
|
Post by fantom on May 4, 2017 8:45:33 GMT -6
Mainly I'm asking if you have to be a certified teacher at the school you coach at. In Texas, we can't teach at one school and coach at another, most are on dual contracts. We also cannot have "people off the street" coaching at our high schools. I've heard alot of stories on here about how coaches get paid a stipend for coaching but it's not their primary job, so they don't always show up when they are supposed to. Here if you do that, you'll most likely be getting fired. I'm mainly just wondering what other places are like Texas in that regard. Being here my whole life and coaching/teaching here, It seems like a cluster what some of you go through as far as coaching staff attendance and help. This is in no way meant to sound like "Texas is better than everywhere else," I'm just trying to find other states that are similar. In Virginia- my part of Virginia, at least- it depends on whether you're talking about a HC or an assistant. I don't know of any football HC's that don't teach in the building. It's very common with assistants.
|
|
|
Post by coachbdud on May 4, 2017 10:28:40 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure here in California the law is that the district requires its coaches make a living doing anything but work at the school/district they coach for. i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or you seriously mean that
|
|
|
Post by coachddwebb on May 4, 2017 10:41:29 GMT -6
Not sure if is a rule or not but most HC in Az teach or do something at the school they coach at. The same is not true with assistance some have real world jobs, but if they don't have a real world job most work at the school they are coaching at.
|
|
|
Post by fantom on May 4, 2017 10:43:59 GMT -6
Not sure if is a rule or not but most HC in Az teach or do something at the school they coach at. The same is not true with assistance some have real world jobs, but if they don't have a real world job most work at the school they are coaching at. I may be a tad touchy here but as a retired teacher how does teaching differ from a real world job?
|
|
|
Post by 50slantstrong on May 4, 2017 10:56:57 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure here in California the law is that the district requires its coaches make a living doing anything but work at the school/district they coach for. i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or you seriously mean that It was sarcasm. But not far removed from the truth in some districts...
|
|
|
Post by fantom on May 4, 2017 10:58:42 GMT -6
i cant tell if you are being sarcastic or you seriously mean that It was sarcasm. But not far removed from the truth in some districts... How?
|
|
|
Post by CS on May 4, 2017 11:06:01 GMT -6
Not sure if is a rule or not but most HC in Az teach or do something at the school they coach at. The same is not true with assistance some have real world jobs, but if they don't have a real world job most work at the school they are coaching at. I may be a tad touchy here but as a retired teacher how does teaching differ from a real world job? I was thinking the same thing. Bad choice of words I suppose.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 11:21:29 GMT -6
Being from Texas this is a normal thing, but I know from reading on here not all states are like this. I'm just wondering how many, and which states, require this? Or rather what states require you to be a certified teacher to coach? In Tennessee, our state has a rule to discourage non-teachers from being hired as high school football coaches. It's not exactly a requirement that you be a certified teacher, but schools are limited to a max of 2 non-faculty coaches (meaning they don't work for the district as a teacher or instructional assistant) for the high school program. To be a HFC you also need to be a certified teacher or have 5 years of coaching experience. This rule doesn't apply to other sports or the middle school level. They'd never get enough people to coach softball, tennis, volleyball, track, etc. if it did. Some districts will have a rule that if you work for the district, you can't coach elsewhere. I've been in one of those. Others may have other internal rules.
|
|
famar
Sophomore Member
Looking to learn as much as I can from this site and all of the coaches here.
Posts: 208
|
Post by famar on May 4, 2017 18:37:11 GMT -6
In New Jersey, the requirements are that you have 60 college credits and a county sub license, and obviously finger printing and a criminal background check. In addition, just about every district requires coaches have a First Aid/CPR training every two years, and some require you take an online course on bullying/harassment, heat acclimization, and concussion awareness.
Because most public school staffs in New Jersey are a mixture of district and nondistrict employees, when it comes to stipends, the district employees get priority. That usually leads to stipend splitting and using booster club money to compensate the rest of the staff.
|
|
|
Post by 50slantstrong on May 4, 2017 22:03:48 GMT -6
It was sarcasm. But not far removed from the truth in some districts... How? You ever met one of those simpletons who think coaches who teach just sit at their desk and play movies for their class everyday? Or the ones who think people associated with athletics are ignorant? A lot of them get into admin, become school board members, and district personnel management in California. Not all districts of course but it's more common than it should be. Source - I'm in the process of trying to find a new teaching job and research the people I'm going to be interviewing with.
|
|
|
Post by coachbdud on May 4, 2017 22:09:29 GMT -6
You ever met one of those simpletons who think coaches who teach just sit at their desk and play movies for their class everyday? Or the ones who think people associated with athletics are ignorant? A lot of them get into admin, become school board members, and district personnel management in California. Not all districts of course but it's more common than it should be. Source - I'm in the process of trying to find a new teaching job and research the people I'm going to be interviewing with. good points i've met a lot of people working in education... who you can just tell got picked on by "jocks" in HS... and now try to take it out on "jocks" now
|
|
|
Post by 50slantstrong on May 4, 2017 22:18:56 GMT -6
You ever met one of those simpletons who think coaches who teach just sit at their desk and play movies for their class everyday? Or the ones who think people associated with athletics are ignorant? A lot of them get into admin, become school board members, and district personnel management in California. Not all districts of course but it's more common than it should be. Source - I'm in the process of trying to find a new teaching job and research the people I'm going to be interviewing with. good points i've met a lot of people working in education... who you can just tell got picked on by "jocks" in HS... and now try to take it out on "jocks" now Yes. Same a holes who give our athletes bad grades simply because they're athletes.
|
|
|
Post by groundchuck on May 6, 2017 22:15:59 GMT -6
I don't know of any requirements in my state. It is usually easier to coach and teach in the same district but that is not always possible.
|
|
|
Post by throwthedeepball on May 8, 2017 12:26:11 GMT -6
I am sure he is talking about any coaching position regardless of HC or Asst. Here (also in TX) the entire staff, boys and girls sports, must be teachers at the school district where they work. Before I found this website, it never occurred to me that we were the exception and not the rule. I can't imagine having to work a "regular" job, and then come to coach afterward. Some of you guys have to deal with so much more than I think I could handle, and should be commended for it.
|
|
|
Post by coachd5085 on May 8, 2017 18:28:10 GMT -6
I am sure he is talking about any coaching position regardless of HC or Asst. Here (also in TX) the entire staff, boys and girls sports, must be teachers at the school district where they work. Before I found this website, it never occurred to me that we were the exception and not the rule. I can't imagine having to work a "regular" job, and then come to coach afterward. Some of you guys have to deal with so much more than I think I could handle, and should be commended for it. keep in mind though coach..those that aren't teachers have the luxury of not having little johnny's parents not complaining and moaning and stirring up trouble with your mortgage payment boss. They just can complain and whine and stir up trouble and try to get you fired from your beer money job.
|
|
pistola
Sophomore Member
Posts: 193
|
Post by pistola on May 10, 2017 9:49:36 GMT -6
I am sure he is talking about any coaching position regardless of HC or Asst. Here (also in TX) the entire staff, boys and girls sports, must be teachers at the school district where they work. Before I found this website, it never occurred to me that we were the exception and not the rule. I can't imagine having to work a "regular" job, and then come to coach afterward. Some of you guys have to deal with so much more than I think I could handle, and should be commended for it. well.. certified and full time employed i think.. not necessarily teach. but yes it seems like a lot of trouble not working at the school you coach at. something we don't have to deal with in TX. teaching is a very tasking job, but I would definitely choose it over manual labor types of jobs
|
|
|
Post by blb on May 10, 2017 10:01:09 GMT -6
Our state requires head coaches to pass a rules test which includes concussion protocol, pass one of first two stages of their Coaches' Advancement Program, and be CPR certified.
That's it.
Some schools also require First Aid or AED.
Anecdotally I would bet majority of assistants in our state are non-faculty.
Last school I worked at, out of 19 varsity sports, only four head coaches were teachers.
|
|
|
Post by dodson10 on May 12, 2017 12:35:38 GMT -6
In Texas you don't have to be a classroom teacher, rather just employed full time by the district. Several schools have employed coaches under maintenance titles (HVAC repairmen) for the district so they could coach there. Doesn't mean they actually go and work on the AC units, just means that's their title. One of my former coaches was the head coach of a Dallas ISD school and he had a school security guard that was a coach for him. Didn't last long, but it was better than going without a coach for the year.
|
|
|
Post by leighty on May 13, 2017 13:08:14 GMT -6
Florida has no such requirement.
|
|