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Post by phantom on Mar 1, 2008 13:35:41 GMT -6
There's been a lot of talk about character. How do you define it? I'm watching a bio of Pete Rose. Great player who worked hard and would do anything to win. Seems like a Hall of Fame a$$hole, though.
Want him on your team?
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Post by Coach Klemme on Mar 1, 2008 16:18:46 GMT -6
I only got to see Pete in the later parts of his carreer as the player/manager. But as I saw clips of how he played the game, you cant question hpw hard he played. What he did as a manager is shameful, but as a player you know what you were going to get everyday.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 1, 2008 17:25:05 GMT -6
I'd take him in a heartbeat. No one every gave more of an effort. I think it's a disgrace that if someone like Barry Bonds get ekected to the hall of fame and he continues to get shut out.
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Post by brophy on Mar 1, 2008 18:02:04 GMT -6
Pete Rose isn't a 'character' issue is it? As I understand it, it is a poor judgment issue.
The guy would put his money where his mouth was...............the only problem with that, is that it influenced bookies / odds.
Maybe I'm misguided but it is like Chad Johnson declaring he will buy a house for a single-mother for every 20+ yd TD he scores on the Raiders this weekend. Great heart, excellent competitive spirit, but not the right message to be sending 'big picture'.
I hate baseball with a passion, but I get behind Pete Rose and Barry Bonds for the simple fact they are in opposition of submitting to sports writers.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 1, 2008 18:10:09 GMT -6
There's an old saying...goes something like this:
"When it's 4th and Goal, you can have the milk drinkers because I'm taking the whiskey drinkers."
Or something like that. I'm pretty sure I butchered it, but you get the point... ;D
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Post by phantom on Mar 2, 2008 10:14:21 GMT -6
Pete Rose isn't a 'character' issue is it? As I understand it, it is a poor judgment issue. The guy would put his money where his mouth was...............the only problem with that, is that it influenced bookies / odds. Maybe I'm misguided but it is like Chad Johnson declaring he will buy a house for a single-mother for every 20+ yd TD he scores on the Raiders this weekend. Great heart, excellent competitive spirit, but not the right message to be sending 'big picture'. I hate baseball with a passion, but I get behind Pete Rose and Barry Bonds for the simple fact they are in opposition of submitting to sports writers. Broph, the bio I saw on ESPN Classic seemed to hint that he was pretty selfish and not a great clubhouse guy. On the field the guy was a coach's dream. Perfect player. Off it he seems to have been everything you hope your son isn't and the type who you'd point a shotgun at if he approached your daughter. There's been a lot of talk about character here. That's why I brought it up.
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Post by coachnichols on Mar 2, 2008 11:06:09 GMT -6
In the pros? I'd take him because it's about winning. If he were a high schooler? Oh...that's a tough question. Guess I would because I'd be confident/dumb enough to think I could change or help him.
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Post by brophy on Mar 2, 2008 13:03:01 GMT -6
Pete Rose is a jerk to sports writers........therefore, he has low character?
I don't know if I agree, but my opinion and $1 won't even get you a cup of coffee.
Labelling Pete Rose as a questionable ethics guy is dangerous from all the information I've ever read. He hung around some bad folks, he bet on games (didn't throw games), he didn't report autograph profits for the extortion...er....IRS, and he wound up on the wrong end of a political barrell.
Pete Rose was just a guy that believed in what he believed, but didn't purposely go out to screw people over. [gvid]745871250572896580[/gvid]
Maybe I'm misguided, but I wouldn't feel comfortable calling Rush Propst a "low-character" guy because he comes off as a jerk on some TV show. TV Shows aren't reality.
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Post by khalfie on Mar 2, 2008 13:08:41 GMT -6
There's an old saying...goes something like this: "When it's 4th and Goal, you can have the milk drinkers because I'm taking the whiskey drinkers." Or something like that. I'm pretty sure I butchered it, but you get the point... ;D There's another old saying... "when its 4th and goal, you can have either the sandwich makers or the sandwich eaters... I'm ordering a pizza!" Say what you want... but that there is funny!
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Post by wildcat on Mar 2, 2008 14:19:56 GMT -6
There's an old saying...goes something like this: "When it's 4th and Goal, you can have the milk drinkers because I'm taking the whiskey drinkers." Or something like that. I'm pretty sure I butchered it, but you get the point... ;D There's another old saying... "when its 4th and goal, you can have either the sandwich makers or the sandwich eaters... I'm ordering a pizza!" Say what you want... but that there is funny! I don't think that saying is very old...
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