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Post by stud17 on Apr 9, 2007 0:51:21 GMT -6
I want power to be my base play out of a shotgun 2x2 set....how would I pull off running power out of this set? BSG can pull and lead through the hole but who's going to kick out DE? I want to be able to run power with my RB and QB....I know if I run power with my QB than my RB can kick out and BSG lead through, but how would I run power with my RB out of a shotgun 2x2 set? Motion slot across to kick out DE, would this be possible and logical?
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Post by tvt50 on Apr 9, 2007 6:42:38 GMT -6
If you want the QB to run the ball have the RB kick out. If you want the RB to carry the ball motion an H across and have him kick out. FLORIDA was excellent last year with this type of stuff. Almost EVERYBODY in America is kicking with an H now-a-days.
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 9, 2007 10:31:27 GMT -6
One idea I had for running this play would be to give the ball to the motion man and kick out with the back. I've never run it though, just drew it up. would this work? do you shotgun jet guys run something like this?
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Post by airraider on Apr 9, 2007 10:37:17 GMT -6
We run it a lot to the QB. We run it out of 2x2 with the back kicking and our of empty with the back in motion kicking.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 9, 2007 11:09:55 GMT -6
Here are a few ways to run power from spread either using the RB as the ball carrier or the QB. We like QB power off jet fakes and also off a speed option look. We don't use the H back motioning and kicking because our slots are more RB/TB types than FB/TE types.  |
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 9, 2007 13:03:53 GMT -6
id have the qb follow at least two thru the hole...motion the fl to a slot, then pull the slot and guard thru, ps guard kicks out, hb leads thru...now there b some power!
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 9, 2007 16:00:26 GMT -6
Stevie....LOL, too many bodies just get in the way!  We want them bodies out there wide playing pass coverage....  By the way, I wouldn't have power as my base play from spread, I'd look into an option based attack if you have a mobile QB. |
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Post by lochness on Apr 9, 2007 16:23:03 GMT -6
Why not just run GT (like the counter scheme) with the RB following the kickout of the backside guard and the lead of the backside tackle? This is a very common gun play, and then you can read option off of the backside DE.
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 9, 2007 18:40:19 GMT -6
The play with trey blocking would be a nice counter off of the power action. motion the guy across, but run the trey back the other way.
also... motion him across, fake the trey, motion man in the flats, middle receiver runs a 10 yard out and the outside receiver runs a fade or a post-corner (whichever you prefer).
nice little series.
Coach Weav
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Post by oguru on Apr 9, 2007 20:47:24 GMT -6
Our base play is the same play that we hang our hat on which is the zone read play,. We run it 15-20 times a game.
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 9, 2007 22:42:07 GMT -6
Loch, your right on there, ct trey option is our baby along with veer! IMO, its one of the very best plays that you can run from the gun.
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Post by stud17 on Apr 9, 2007 23:22:40 GMT -6
coachweav88,
is it possible to get some diagrams of this series to get a better picture of it?
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 10, 2007 7:57:43 GMT -6
The first play in the series was drawn up by jhanawa. here are the other two I was talking about   never ran these before. just drawing them up. Would they work? |
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 10, 2007 11:51:25 GMT -6
Weave, I'm sure they would work, Trey is a great play from gun. Here is how we run ct trey, we run it as a triple option reading the bsde and as a double option, reading the kickout/log block by the pulling guard. here we are reading the BSDE as a triple option.  here we are reading the FSDE getting kicked out or logged by the guard.  |
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 10, 2007 12:15:33 GMT -6
I played and coached for a team that ran the power/ctr trey/bootleg series out of the pro I. I was trying to translate this to a spread running game. I like Jet/power/trey/bootleg out of spread if I don't have a running QB. If I do have a running QB, then I'd run something like what you run jhanawa. I played and coached in a triple option system as well and the thought of marrying the triple option/ the counter trey/ and a sweet passing game sounds pretty cool!
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Post by stud17 on Apr 10, 2007 12:42:58 GMT -6
on the playaction pass, instead of the slot running an out, could he run a wheel....considering #1 would be running off a deep defender. Plus if you run the out enough and defenders start coming up when they see it, you could get a pretty wide open wheel. Thoughts?
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Post by khalfie on Apr 10, 2007 12:58:55 GMT -6
Stevie....LOL, too many bodies just get in the way! We want them bodies out there wide playing pass coverage.... By the way, I wouldn't have power as my base play from spread, I'd look into an option based attack if you have a mobile QB. Exactly... If you want to be Power... why not get in a power formation? Seems like too much window dressing... if you can be a power team... then do that, and do it well. |
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 10, 2007 13:12:53 GMT -6
stud yes, we've tagged the wheel out of our bootleg out of the I. Although we had the outside receiver doing a curl if when we ran the wheel route. The reason I like it how it's drawn is that it floods a zone. The 10 yard out shouldn't get in the way because the motion man will get out to the flat right now because he is coming full speed across the formation and he's heading directly to the flat. The 10 yard out will take time before he makes his break. if that still doesn't time up, I'd have him run inside a little before he makes his break. just a thought I like the flood because it's really tough to cover all three routes. if it times up right, the 10 yard out is almost always open  |
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Post by jhanawa on Apr 10, 2007 13:34:11 GMT -6
Khalfie, without getting into a DW/spread arguement, just our experience, we actually run power much better from spread than from under center and "I". We are a physical team but not dominantly so, we can line up in the "I" and run power (we occasionally do), but we've just had more success running power when people are spread out and on their heels playing the pass and option rather than digging in and attacking our power formation.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 10, 2007 16:35:47 GMT -6
Stevie....LOL, too many bodies just get in the way! We want them bodies out there wide playing pass coverage.... By the way, I wouldn't have power as my base play from spread, I'd look into an option based attack if you have a mobile QB. Exactly... If you want to be Power... why not get in a power formation? Seems like too much window dressing... if you can be a power team... then do that, and do it well. are you saying you cant be a power team from the gun? i disagree. Id think you could really cause problems by using dw principles/sw principles with all that spread stuff... |
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 10, 2007 16:36:27 GMT -6
Weave, I'm sure they would work, Trey is a great play from gun. Here is how we run ct trey, we run it as a triple option reading the bsde and as a double option, reading the kickout/log block by the pulling guard. here we are reading the BSDE as a triple option. here we are reading the FSDE getting kicked out or logged by the guard. I love this kind of stuff. |
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Post by stud17 on Apr 10, 2007 17:46:29 GMT -6
do you guys fake the counter trey and run sweep with the slot in motion? is this another play in your series?
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Post by khalfie on Apr 10, 2007 18:07:24 GMT -6
Exactly... If you want to be Power... why not get in a power formation? Seems like too much window dressing... if you can be a power team... then do that, and do it well. are you saying you cant be a power team from the gun? i disagree. Id think you could really cause problems by using dw principles/sw principles with all that spread stuff... Not saying that at all... You can do anything... however, if you have a power philosophy, but are aligning from a Shotgun formation... I think the only person you are fooling is yourself. A lot of window dressing, when in actuallity, teams have scouted you for a two back offense with power blocking. You definitely can do it... and be successful with it... but if you are successful with it... I think you would add an extra dimension of explosiveness by getting that QB under center and that FB on a 3 yd track... IMHO. The beauty of the spread, is taking defenses out of their base look... however, when you motion two backs to the backfield... you are no longer spread... you are flex... and flex can be defended by all base defenses, without any additional stress. .................$...............................F ............................M.......F ....C..............E...T......N..T...E.....................C ......X..............O..O..C..O..O....................Y ...................................................Z ..............................Q ..........................H......F All I'm saying... is if a team can align in a 50 comfortably... might as well bring the TE in and get that extra blocking. And if you bring that TE in, might as well tighten those line splits, block down and kick out... I'm just saying... how would the defense change if the offense looked like this? .................$...............................F ............................M.......F ....C..............E...T......N..T...E.....................C ......X..............O..O..C..O..O....................Y ..............................Q ..............................F ..............................Z ..............................H If I could go power... I'd go stack I... its a little different, its not spread, but my two WR's make you honor short and deep... not to mention, my quick game has gotten a lot quicker, being that I'm under center. |
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Post by coachweav88 on Apr 11, 2007 12:23:22 GMT -6
The beauty of the spread, is taking defenses out of their base look... however, when you motion two backs to the backfield... you are no longer spread... you are flex... and flex can be defended by all base defenses, without any additional stress. When you use motion in a 2x2 set such as when running a jet or power, how do you know that I would be running the ball? He could go on across making it a trips formation and the defense you drew up would have a hard time defending it unless they made a very fast adjustment. you won't know that until he's past the QB anyway. The defense would still have to stay out of their base because they don't know if I'm going to run power or motion to trips. hope I communicated that clearly |
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 11, 2007 12:40:32 GMT -6
Bringing motion man across would be the only way I could see doing it...
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Post by stud17 on Apr 12, 2007 22:34:56 GMT -6
would it be bad to base my whole offense out of a slot motioning in a 2x2 set? from where i could:
motion into trips
run jet sweep
run power (to slot, running back, and qb)
run option (crazy, speed, and triple)
and other numerous runs, not to mention passes
is this logical? or is this to basic and easy to catch on to?
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 15, 2007 10:21:23 GMT -6
We lined up a slot, tight to the OT, He was the WRAPPER and the OG was the KICKOUT. My RB types had no problems leading inot the hole. It also gave the Illusion that we were going opposite.
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