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Post by coachjr on Feb 2, 2008 8:40:40 GMT -6
Recently, I saw a clip on TV of Belichick talking about practicing situations. He was stressing this to his linebackers in dealing with a down and distance situation with them. Saying that, I was wondering if any of you build this into your practice schedule? I know many have a goal line period. I guess I was thinking things like:
4th and 1 on the goal line (on both sides of the ball) Do you have a call you practice and know you will use when this situation present itself in the game?
Coming out Offense - opponent punts the ball inside the 5.
You have a series of plays ready to call.
1st down after a turnover - you're on defense now. Many times a unit runs on the field and gives up a big play to the offense because of the negative play that just occurred.
3rd and Long (on offense or defense) Do you have a play or two you practice all week to make the first down or a defensive call
(blitz or coverage)?
Trick Plays - Ending the half or game Offense or Defense?
Do you practice these (trick plays) or this situation?
Just curious if you had a list of these and how you build them into your practice schedules during the week before a game.
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Post by spartancoach on Feb 2, 2008 10:33:33 GMT -6
Every time we run team O, we focus it around 2-3 situations. So when we go 1s vs. 1s, defense gets the same situational work. Work on special teams situations (bad snaps, take a safety, rushed FG, etc.) on Thursdays.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2008 0:16:56 GMT -6
The thought process is that situations dictate your game plan and play calling. It gives you a logical basis for scripting your play reps. If you aren't basing your practice reps off of your game plan/D&D situations then what are you basing them on? Just run random plays during practice?
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 3, 2008 8:48:48 GMT -6
You don't have to D/D offensive scripts during practice to be successful.
At some levels and schools I know this is necessary, but I've seen a ton of schools who line up in their base defense with no blitz/stunt/coverage tendency.
We have a 10 minute 3rd down period once/week and a goalline/redzone session once/week.
We feel that if we can win these situations we are in good shape.
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Post by bluboy on Feb 3, 2008 9:06:17 GMT -6
We are a formation-oriented defense; we use formation checks. During group run and team on Tuesday, we simply script the top 5 formations and top 5 plays from each formation. We don't try to "trick" the kids during these periods. We simply run one formation before we go to the next one. On Wednesdays and Thursday we mix thing up so the kids have to think.
While the d-line and 1/2 the LB/OLB's are working run, the other LB/OLB's and DB's are working pass. This is when we work our pass blitzes.
We will run a goal line period one day, but most of the teams we play run the same stuff that they run in midfield at the goal line.
It's not really innovative, but it works for us.
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Post by phantom on Feb 3, 2008 9:54:15 GMT -6
Recently, I saw a clip on TV of Belichick talking about practicing situations. He was stressing this to his linebackers in dealing with a down and distance situation with them. Saying that, I was wondering if any of you build this into your practice schedule? I know many have a goal line period. I guess I was thinking things like: 4th and 1 on the goal line (on both sides of the ball) Do you have a call you practice and know you will use when this situation present itself in the game? Coming out Offense - opponent punts the ball inside the 5. You have a series of plays ready to call. 1st down after a turnover - you're on defense now. Many times a unit runs on the field and gives up a big play to the offense because of the negative play that just occurred. 3rd and Long (on offense or defense) Do you have a play or two you practice all week to make the first down or a defensive call (blitz or coverage)? Trick Plays - Ending the half or game Offense or Defense? Do you practice these (trick plays) or this situation? Just curious if you had a list of these and how you build them into your practice schedules during the week before a game. We always script our defensive team period by down, distance, and hash. By then we've thoroughly gone over clear tendencies so they should have an idea what's coming. We don't usually work GL defense live but we go over it in our Thursday walk-through. Third and fourth down ("Money down") situations are emphasized heavily. Offensively, not so much. We've been really good on offense (and I can say that because I'm not the OC, just the OL coach. I play a peripheral role in the offense's success.) so down/distance tendencies don't hold true for us. We do spend a good amount of time on GL/short-yardage offense. In our walk-through on Thursday we have a checklist for kicking situations that we do every week. We go over things like quick kick, one-step punt out of the EZ, and pooch punt in. It's such a routine that, if the ST coach forgets to run a situation, the kids remind him. I've posted it before but if you want me to do it again I will because I wouldn't know how to search that out myself. To me planning practice-drawing scout cards, writing scripts, and mashing the two with tendencies- is the hardest and most critical part of the job. |
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Post by 20x on Feb 3, 2008 10:59:24 GMT -6
I think you can be successfull and not practice the situations constantly but I do believe it helps. This was my first year as part of a staff that every team period we had all week had some situation tied into it. It might be more beneficial for the coaches and they put together the game plan for the week than the players. I do believe it helps the players stay focused instead of just pounding on the scout team.
Some of the situations used in our team periods are:
1st down, goal is four yards each play.
2nd down, goal is to get half the distance.
Third down, pick up the first down.
Coming out.
Goaline.
Red Zone.
No-Huddle.
Two Minute.
4 Minute.
And Blitz Pick Up period where the starting defense runs everything they have to try and get pressure.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2008 11:20:38 GMT -6
You don't have to D/D offensive scripts during practice to be successful. At some levels and schools I know this is necessary, but I've seen a ton of schools who line up in their base defense with no blitz/stunt/coverage tendency. We have a 10 minute 3rd down period once/week and a goalline/redzone session once/week. We feel that if we can win these situations we are in good shape. Obviously you don't need to do "anything" in particular to be successful. Situational scripting is simply an ordered way to ensure you are being efficient with your practice time and covering all the material you need to cover. It isn't as necessary and/or useful for certain styles or teams to use down or distance situations, especially small package series offenses, or check with me defenses. For example--a dbl wing team might make its calls based on how the defense is playing one or two of its core plays rather than down and distance. In that case, the "situations" that should be scripted are "ok, they are doing slanting to the field, ...how would we respond" and have the scout team cards and practice script reflect accordingly. |
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 3, 2008 13:33:15 GMT -6
Coach D I agree.
Situational scripting. I thought you were getting at the fact that you need to have your 1st and 10 plays listed and such.
We will work Option on Mondays, Rocket/Jet on Tuesdays, add counters by Wednesday. Our group periods will rep most of our situations (option reads, OLB jumping on motion, etc...)
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 3, 2008 14:02:31 GMT -6
beardc-
If you call offensive plays by down and distance, then I would say it can only benefit you to work these as your gameplan during the week.
So, Monday might be a 2nd and Medium, 3rd and short day. Your Inside drill, pass skell, and team sessions should consist of plays you will be calling on 2nd & Medium and 3rd and short. This way, you ensure that you are repping the plays you will be calling on 2nd Medium/3rd and short.
If this is not how you gameplan your offense, then it obviously wouldn't be as beneficial or appropriate.
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Post by morris on Feb 4, 2008 9:01:44 GMT -6
What we do is simple and based off of Billeck's book (sp?). About 50% of your calls are 1st down calls and it breaks down the types of call be percentages. We just run through what would equal about a half's worth of those. So if we average 40 plays a game we are going to go 20 plays with 10 being 1st and 10, 1 being 1st and long (15+) and so on. We also make sure we go over specials like last play of the game, backed up and the such. We do this so our kids do not freak and they know what to expect in general.
We use this to also get our kids on the same page as use as far as a tagert we are going for. 4+ on 1st downs and the such. It also allows you to focus one certain areas while in practice. If the DC knows what plays we are running then he knows what areas to watch during the play. It allows you to isolate areas. We use to help teach also as a type of game. If you are just running 7 on 7 it is no big deal but if you put a down and distance then you have a winner or a loser.
I am interested in why people feel that series based offenses do not need to do this. While not everyone runs a series system like a wing t I would think everyone has a progression they use when calling plays.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 4, 2008 10:56:03 GMT -6
I am interested in why people feel that series based offenses do not need to do this. While not everyone runs a series system like a wing t I would think everyone has a progression they use when calling plays. I mentioned this simply because from talking with DBL wing and wing-t coaches, that their play calling is primarily based off of the reactions of the conflicted players, not down and distance. They might come out and run power/bucksweep, and then find out what the D is doing. If the 9 tech is blasting the wings downblock, then they will run the down/G play. Down/Distance is not much of a factor. |
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Post by resnik77 on Feb 7, 2008 12:08:06 GMT -6
I certainly believe that special teams need practice in situations. And that it is beneficial to do some situational stuff on offense and defense. The thing that I've found is that if you give the scout team a goal (No first downs in the 3rd and short period), they will work harder and take a great deal more pride in being a scout teamer. Let's face it, scout team is no picnic, and pride is necessary to come to work everyday.
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