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Post by chaz111 on Feb 22, 2008 21:06:31 GMT -6
This my story:
1. 15 year head coach but I have never felt good about my film review strategy. I really do think it would be a great clinic topic.
2. Small Catholic HS with 7 man staff. Only a couple of full time guys and one has to teach chemistry so his time is tough...but very hard worker...He is the DC.
3. Because I use so many Lay people I only get them from about 8-1 on Saturday...but great guys...good coaches and they will do anything I say.
4. I know have a DVR and DVD copier tower ( 1-7) so that has gotten more efficient. Most schools will be trading DVD this year so that should go faster.
5. My problem is assigning task in a efficient matter...I am looking for philosophies on breakdown and what I need to get each coach to produce.
I have stayed employed for 15 years but I have never felt like I have a great film breakdown plan...just inefficient use of time..waiting for recordings and such.
Thanks for all input.
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Post by brophy on Feb 22, 2008 21:14:21 GMT -6
ONLY get them from 8am - 1pm on SATURDAY?  ? Did I read that correctly? No offense, but that is entirely too much time wasted. If you can mass-duplicate the game film / scout film after the game, get it done and send the staff home with a copy. Let them review it at their leisure and then come back together for 2-3 hours TOPS on Saturday evening or Sunday evening. Make them grade their positions at home, don't waste the groups time doing it. Review the tape, grade it, see the scout film, and formulate game plan ideas, that way you have fresh perspectives and nobody gets 'drowned out' by majority or fear. Assign one of those turkeys with the task of making the copies, another for inputting play results (scouting tendencies)..... I agree with you, though - it would make a great clinic topic. |
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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 22, 2008 21:40:07 GMT -6
agree with grading your position at home, unless there are too many distractions, like going on the Huey's site  but to have three coaches to breakdown opponent film would be great. one on the clicker. one on the computer. one just watching. make sure the staff is watching Special Teams, multiple times. |
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Post by dubber on Feb 22, 2008 22:23:15 GMT -6
I just read something in Bill Walsh's book "Finding the Winning Edge" about film study and staff responsibilities........
....but I cannot remember it.......have to get back to you Monday.
-Dub
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Post by chaz111 on Feb 22, 2008 22:36:39 GMT -6
8-1 is the only time I can have them...Sunday's are out...1 guy is a preacher and my DC wifes a preacher. So 8-1 is it...5 hours total...we barely ever use it because we do get bogged down.
what we do know:
1. Make 1st copy and get defensive guys started with their breakdown...these are my best/most experienced coaches so they roll pretty well....and DC will work on his own all weekend.
2. I get copies made and when that finishes I grade my film with help of a couple of others . We get a certain amount done...then I finish the rest at home.
3. Another question is what do you look at offensively ( their defense) this is my area. I am not to proud to say I could do better...I am a pretty good organizer/motivator...do well with my teams execution. But I have never felt good about how I break down the defense I am going against.
Thanks for the replies.
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Post by brophy on Feb 23, 2008 6:15:03 GMT -6
- coverage played (D&D / field position)
- alignment / adjustments to pro,twins,trips looks?
- what worked / what didn't against them and why?
- how makes the most tackles? Who is making plays and why (isn't getting blocked)?
- personnel, best players & weakest players - how does this fit your offense?
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Post by dacoachmo on Feb 23, 2008 21:55:48 GMT -6
BLITZ by down and distance
Best BLITZER
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 24, 2008 0:03:42 GMT -6
you can break down 3 games completely in less time than that (5 hours). if you do it as a group with everyone watching a specific thing, then one game can be broken down in about an hour & half or less.
offensive breakdown (breaking down opp. defense)
rb coach - call down/distance/hash
oc/qb coach - run cowboy. give generic name to formation and play (or scheme)
ol coach - call front/stunt
rec coach - call coverage
assign one guy to write (we use the rb coach)
defensive staff set up similarly.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 24, 2008 8:32:50 GMT -6
As a side note, I don't know how you compile your data, but getting familiar with excel and pivot tables is a fairly powerful, quick, and easy way to do all the scouting reports.
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Post by coachcathey on Feb 24, 2008 15:17:16 GMT -6
utchuckd would you be willing to shar information on setting up spreadsheets for this? Do you use preconstructed sheets or did you do your own? Technology is great.  |
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Post by rjcousin on Feb 24, 2008 22:12:15 GMT -6
Just attended the Mpls Glazier Clinic.
Listened in to Coach McFerrin about this subject.
He had his Coaches take their game film home and grade their own area. They could do it that night after a game, early Sat.. they actually met on Sundays but it still could be done..
What they also did was - he had 4 coaches on each side of the ball.. they received 3 scout films. He had each coach break down 1 - ONLY 1 film - he had forms of what they needed to accomplish. When they got together they went through a the same list that the coach had to fill out for their game but receive info from all three games (ie: I saw that they did this most of the time but would do _____________ in this situation, the next coach would concur, add or say well against __________ they were doing this... and so on). After that, each coach was then responsible for gathering and interpreting certain sections of the discussion.
Also regarding the DVD's... what I have found to be REALLY helpful... you should be able to combine the scout games onto one DVD THEN make copies... saves you 2/3 the cost, easier to store and keep track - allows you to flip between games without getting up.
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Post by utchuckd on Feb 24, 2008 22:15:52 GMT -6
I just learned pivot tables from getting in and messing around with them. This thread should get you started with them. excel threadYou basically put headers at the top of columns in Excel for whatever info you want (down,distance,formation,etc.). Then just highlight the whole thing and select Pivot Table from the Data menu. From there just play around with it and see how it works. Sorry I'm not much help but I only really know enough to get what I need out of it. Doesn't take long to get the basics of it down, tho. |
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Post by resnik77 on Feb 25, 2008 9:00:53 GMT -6
you can break down 3 games completely in less time than that (5 hours). if you do it as a group with everyone watching a specific thing, then one game can be broken down in about an hour & half or less. offensive breakdown (breaking down opp. defense) rb coach - call down/distance/hash oc/qb coach - run cowboy. give generic name to formation and play (or scheme) ol coach - call front/stunt rec coach - call coverage assign one guy to write (we use the rb coach) defensive staff set up similarly. I've had the opportunity to do this way (and it works great), but how would you do it if you only had a small staff of say 6-7 coaches. To do it as described above you need 10-12 coaches. |
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Post by resnik77 on Feb 25, 2008 9:03:44 GMT -6
I'm on the defensive side and we have 5 coaches on my side including me. We get 3 game films. Last year we had our staff meeting on Sunday, so we sent film home with everyone. It was all DVD or converted to DVD. Much much quicker as has been stated. Last year everyone would come in with their idea for a game plan, we would mash them all together, discuss, argue, etc and come to an agreement and that's what game planned. This year, we are going to meet on saturday. I'm already not a big fan of this idea but I'm not calling the shots. The way we are going to do it this year is break the responsibilities down: LB coach/DC - game script - backfield DT coach - Formation Chart - Strong side blocking scheme DE coach - Gap Chart - weakside blocking scheme DB coach - Field Chart - strong side receivers OLB coach - Draw the plays and numbers them - weakside receivers The numbering is to match each play up with the script later. The script is: D&D, yd line, hash, formation, strength, who pulled, who carried it, gap/area, play name and result. After all this, we talk about their blocking and protection schemes and how we want to attack them. Try to pull out any formation tendencies for auto-blitz checks. Decide coverage options against this specific team...basically our matchups...can we man them, can we get away with cover 3, etc. The majority of our time will be spent on us. What techniques we need to do better, where we are sucking, where we are strong, depth chart development, etc. and how we can get those techniques better. Don't you think that breaking up the blocking schemes may cause some problems in terms of consistency? |
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Post by coachdl on Feb 25, 2008 12:40:01 GMT -6
In the meetings we have, the ultimate goal is, like DCOHIO said: all of us seeing it the same way.
I am not a big advocate of having all/any members of the staff being involved in the breakdown process. Ultimately, I (as DC) am responsible for what happens during that meeting and how it translates both during the week and on game day.
When we meet as a staff, this is what happens:
1. Coaches grade their position. Done as a staff. (2-3 hours)
2. Game Plan formations &/or D/D (1/10 and if time allows: 3/Long). Breakdowns would be done by myself prior to the meeting.
At the HC's request, I had my staff and I breakdown a film. It was a total waste of time.
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Post by rideanddecide on Feb 26, 2008 9:03:24 GMT -6
For those of you with video editing software (apex, dsv, etc...)...
How do you organize film review?
I am the HC/DC. I end up having to break down every game including our own because we can only afford two versions of the software. But, at the end we have all tendencies. So I'm not sure what we need other coaches scouting other than a general overview or possibly drawing up the plays.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2008 10:07:30 GMT -6
I know we're talking about getting the most out of the time alotted, but I've never been a fan of grading our players on our own. I want all the defensive coaches to know how the other is being graded.
Personally, I'd rather give each guy one game film from the upcoming opponent--maybe 3 weeks before, 4 weeks before, and 5 weeks before. I will do the previous 2 games. Then when we come together we watch my two games (the recent ones) together as we compile the numbers. Each guy can then talk about his game, what we need to see from it, etc. Then we'd watch our next 2 games that we decide on. I'll be watching them all at home anyway.
My goal isn't to make my time more productive. The buck stops here. I'm watching a lot of film every night. I'm trying to help the other defensive guys get more out of their time with us. I'm trying to maximize what I get from them and what they do while they're there.
Ideally we'd be able to do cut-ups on the run at home and then bring them together to string good cut-ups that would then be duplicated for each coach.
But I really think we need to watch our game film as a defensive unit--if for no other reason than so the DL coach can say to me, "what the heck did you call that for right then? My guy can't do this in this situation and now how do I give a grade on that?"
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 26, 2008 10:25:39 GMT -6
resnik ... get whole staff involved, then. rather than fast-foward through the tape (i.e. when we are breaking down the defense we fwd through whenever our opponent is on offense) you simply "switch gears" and break down that portion as well. since you are small staff, then assume guys coach both sides of the ball. well, simply switch back/forth between breaking down the opp. offense & defense as you go through the film. obviously, it will take longer.
or ... break up into 2 groups and combine jobs
go with two 3 man teams. one doing offense one doing defense. one coach will do down/distance/hash/formation/play, another guy does front/stunt, another does coverage & writes.
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Post by resnik77 on Feb 26, 2008 10:40:11 GMT -6
Thanks Coach. That's what I was thinking. Having the staff do it all together, but as you said, could take a bit more time.
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