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Post by jm on Nov 24, 2007 13:47:16 GMT -6
Is Perrilloux considered to be a better QB than Flynn?
I made the mistake of getting into a debate with a fan. I contend that if Perrilloux were better he'd be the starter.
So he comes back with "I guess you're just smarter than the writers, ex-players, and fans who all agree with me".
In his defense, he doesn't know I'm a coach. He thinks this is another fan v. fan SD argument.
So, my question is simple. Right now, in 2007, is Perrilloux better than Flynn?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 24, 2007 14:34:32 GMT -6
Define better?
I have not been to a single practice, have not evaluated any practice or game tape, and do not know how either one of them is executing what is asked from them. Neither have the "writers, ex-players, and fans"
Being in the deep south most fans view a black quarterback as "athletically superior" and then just expect the coaches to turn him to an athletic Manning or Brady. We as coaches know that skin color does not equal athletic ability,. and that decision making is very tough when the bullets are flying
What I CAN say is that from a trust aspect, Flynn is 100% better than Perriloux. Perriloux has had numerous run ins with local and FEDERAL law enforcement on various issues. It would not be a stretch of the imagination at all for him to put himself in a position to be kicked off the team...
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Post by neil on Nov 24, 2007 14:36:32 GMT -6
He does some things better than Flynn.
But, the coaches are there everyday in practice, and you would have to assume they want to win, so they are probably playing the best QB.
But they have shown that they try to stay with a Senior as long as they can. Last year for Senior Day, they started Justin Vincent and kept him almost the entire game at RB. They eventually won the game in over-time. So maybe they are trying doing the same thing with Flynn. Knowing that they can't totally trust Perilloux from his off-the-field behavior, that they fell more secure with the Senior, Flynn.
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 24, 2007 19:34:42 GMT -6
he does have more physical ability i think but i dont think he's a better quarterback at this point. he is also kind of overconfident of his abilities like RUSSELL was.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Nov 24, 2007 21:18:28 GMT -6
But with how bad Flynn played in th first 3 quarters 7 for his first 30 or something like that, is Perrilloux that untrusted or in the dog house that Miles would not go to him
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 25, 2007 1:19:40 GMT -6
Perriloux is a better athlete than Flynn, but he couldn't run the offense as well as Flynn. I know that his stats looked a lot better than Flynn's by the end of the year, but 90% of Perriloux's stats were when Flynn was out against basically a D-2 school, and in the 4th quarter as mop-up time. Every pass he threw was a TD because it was a fake run on 3rd & 2 with a WIDE OPEN guy on a post route because the defense was desperate for a stop. I just think that the OC (Crowten) got COMPLETELY outcalled during the season. Many defenses were 2-3 steps ahead of him the entire season, but Flynn/Doucet/Hester bailed him out. They tried to get too "fancy" and get certain people so many carries, and this guy the ball 3 times, etc....rather than having an identity of their own and saying, "Here is Hester, tackle him 30 times today" And wearing out a defense...
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Post by bopper235 on Nov 25, 2007 7:50:39 GMT -6
To LSU Guy and CQMiller
Do you think his behavior (on and off the field) is what keeps him from starting? I know you guys have heard some of the stories!
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Post by lsuguy1 on Nov 25, 2007 7:51:07 GMT -6
very good point about the running backs cqmiller. hester had 28 carries against arky and averaged over 4 yards. still people complained the ball wasn't spread out. and about being fancy, on 4th and 1 at the end of the game, lsu ran a fake qb sneak bubble screen to williams. scared the number 2(  ) out of me. just give it to hester!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by falseintellect on Nov 25, 2007 11:23:01 GMT -6
i dont think he is too great a quarterback, but he's definitely shown some winning intangibles in several games this season that have really impressed me.
lsu just doesnt lose easily. no matter how amazing mcfadden and arkansas looked they needed 3OTs and a lot of luck. same with kentucky. it's too bad lsu cant play in the title game now..
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Post by cqmiller on Nov 25, 2007 23:25:24 GMT -6
To LSU Guy and CQMiller Do you think his behavior (on and off the field) is what keeps him from starting? I know you guys have heard some of the stories! I know that when he was in HS he had a few issues, and EVERYBODY still wanted him, and then with the Riverboat Casino thing...I mean I never used a fake ID when I was 20 in my life... But the fact that his name constantly comes up for other off-field issues can't be a coinky-dink... He can't be in the wrong place, wrong time, that many times. He is a great athlete, but I think that when it came down to it, Flynn was the best chance to win, and Defenses figured out that the shallow mesh to Doucet, and the slant to Byrd was all Crowten would call...Bit them. I seem to remember a lot more vertical throws at the beginning of the year when they were destroying teams, then all of a sudden, all shallows/screens/mesh stuff. Flynn couldn't rifle it around like JaMarcus, but he can get the ball vertical a little bit. |
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Post by deaux68 on Nov 25, 2007 23:59:59 GMT -6
Not an LSU fan, although they are my second favorite team.
I just couldn't trust a guy that keeps getting in trouble like he does. If he's not doing right off the field, I'm not sure I can trust him in the clutch.
Along those lines, I know Jemarcus Russell didn't get in trouble but he always seemed like he thought he could do it all. The one LSU "insider" I know says that he had a penchant for doing things his way and disregarding the coaching. I think he cost them every game LSU lost last year with turnovers.
Also, to me LSU looks to be stuck between two offenses and it's only Crowton's first year.
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Post by brophy on May 2, 2008 7:11:05 GMT -6
it's official;
LSU’S PERRILLOUX DISMISSED FROM TEAM
BATON ROUGE – Quarterback Ryan Perrilloux has been dismissed from the LSU football team, head coach Les Miles announced on Friday.
“Ryan was given every opportunity to be a part of this football team,” Miles said. “In the end, he didn’t fulfill his obligation as an LSU student-athlete. We hope that a new beginning will benefit him.
“I wish Ryan and his family nothing but the best in any of his future endeavors.”
Perrilloux is expected to finish out the spring semester at LSU. Miles said he would have no other comment on the matter.
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Post by Coach JR on May 2, 2008 9:04:36 GMT -6
Yep, Perrilloux gone!
Local sports talk had Brian Kinchen (former LSU TE) on this morning to discuss it. He is close to the LSU program. He gave greater than normal details in such an instance, but stayed away from exact facts. Sort of laid out that Ryan just can't stay away from the clubs, drink, and illegal drugs. Just from my reading between the lines, but it appeared to me that Baton Rouge PD must be kind to LSU players, and carry them to the coach instead of arresting them. They mentioned that Miles has a point system and a "3 strikes and your out" policy, and that Ryan was on strike 18. Kinchen advised that the team was disgruntled over Miles continuous tolerance of the would be star QB, and Miles, despite the fact they're weak at QB behind Perrilloux, had to pull the trigger with the latest incident, which reportedly happened in the last couple of days, if not last night.
Hate it, but everyone in the SE knew RP was a continuous problem, and Miles was continuing to give him chances. You gotta think Miles did all he could do. Can't say it really upsets me, as that will likely make my Auburn Tigers the pre-season front runner for the SEC West.
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Post by veerraid on May 2, 2008 9:14:34 GMT -6
GO GA-TORS!!!!!
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Post by cqmiller on May 2, 2008 9:44:58 GMT -6
I always wondered about a kid whose famous quote when he changed his commitment from TX to LSU was, "I'm gonna win 4 Heismans"... LSU will be fine. They will still contend in the west. Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Mississippi are not gonna be close Alabama is still a year or 2 away with Saban recruiting Auburn will be a pain in the butt, but they have Tennessee, Georgia, and @alabama so they will lose 2 of those. I don't see LSU making it through Coach JR, @florida, and vs. Georgia without a QB with experience behind center... So the winner of the LSU Auburn game will represent the west vs. the winner of Georgia/Florida |
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Post by realdawg on May 2, 2008 10:03:56 GMT -6
The question is can the Tigers get by my vaunted Appalachian State Mountaineers the first game of the year without experience under center?  ?? Or are we looking at two shockers in a row? ? LOL I still doubt we can win, but this sure doesnt hurt things for us does it? |
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Post by cqmiller on May 2, 2008 10:20:46 GMT -6
App. State is a good team... They have speed, a good system, and a great coach. Still don't think they have more speed than the secondary of LSU, like they did Michigan last year.
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Post by realdawg on May 2, 2008 10:53:43 GMT -6
cqmiller, I still dont think that they should beat LSU, just saying that this doesnt hurt our chances. I didnt think we had a chance at the big house last year either and look what happened. I am trying to stay down to earth about our chances, but I will admit, its getting hard, and I want those APP St. boys to win!
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Post by Coach JR on May 2, 2008 11:05:11 GMT -6
I always wondered about a kid whose famous quote when he changed his commitment from TX to LSU was, "I'm gonna win 4 Heismans"... LSU will be fine. They will still contend in the west. Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Mississippi are not gonna be close Alabama is still a year or 2 away with Saban recruiting Auburn will be a pain in the butt, but they have Tennessee, Georgia, and @alabama so they will lose 2 of those. I don't see LSU making it through Coach JR, @florida, and vs. Georgia without a QB with experience behind center... So the winner of the LSU Auburn game will represent the west vs. the winner of Georgia/Florida I'm marking down 2 losses for Auburn, UGA and WVU at this point. Our QB situation isn't settled, but luckily I think we got 2 good ones to choose from (how good is yet to be seen) and a servicable #3. But when the Franklin offense takes the field, and I see more of it, my prediction may swing 1 to 2 games either way. Other than LSU and Auburn (I don't think that LSU will be completely shut down by the way) I don't see that the West has much to offer. Not sure I can find 20 total wins between Miss, MSU, and Ark. UT? New QB. UGA, likely will be #1 or #2 in most preseason polls. Florida is a big ?. Could be like last year, or really good. Bottom line is, with the exception of UGA, I don't see any SEC team with few than 2 losses. UGA looks like it might have all the stars and planets aligned with that schedule. AZ State on the road...don't know that much about them. The only other tough road game they have is Auburn (home field has traditionally not been an advantage for the home team in this rivalry), and FL on a neutral site. |
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Post by cqmiller on May 2, 2008 11:06:27 GMT -6
I'm with ya... My heart skipped a beat when I saw App on the schedule! I know that LSU should win, but Michigan should have last year too.
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Post by brophy on May 2, 2008 11:10:17 GMT -6
I guess I was hoping this could stimulate a discussion of
A) Player accountability and doing your best to help a kid out by making special circumstances...... not judging whether or not Miles made the 'right' or 'wrong' decision, but moreso in discussion that we can use as coaches on the proper handling of athletes and the personal baggage the sometimes bring.
B) With the marked improvement in Matt Flynn's subtle mechanics and Crowton's buy-in, will we be seeing more usage of the Slack methodology to accellerate the development of the young blue-chip recruits at quarterback for this team?
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Post by realdawg on May 2, 2008 11:48:20 GMT -6
Brophy in response to your statement, I think eventually every coach has to draw the preverbial "line in the sand" What that line is for each coach has to be a personal decision that he makes himself. I believe in helping kids out. Thats why I got into coaching, however, I also believe that a kid must be willing to help himself out. Evidently the young man in question wasnt willing to do that
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Post by Coach JR on May 2, 2008 12:10:10 GMT -6
Brophy in response to your statement, I think eventually every coach has to draw the preverbial "line in the sand" What that line is for each coach has to be a personal decision that he makes himself. I believe in helping kids out. Thats why I got into coaching, however, I also believe that a kid must be willing to help himself out. Evidently the young man in question wasnt willing to do that A lady called in the sports talk show this moring and asked the following question: "I know they pay great sums of money and spend lots of time to rehab an injured college athlete, but do they do anything to help them with things like a drug problem?" Obviously Les Miles, unless he's a complete idiot, didn't rely just on telling RP to straighten up and fly right. And I don't know, because coaches are limited in what they can talk about, if RP has a drug problem or just refuses to stop recreational using. A coach, by the time they get the kid, isn't really in a place "re-make" the character of the kid. It appears to me, that Miles gave RP every opportunity at a minimum, if not every helping hand available. Some just don't get it. Other examples of such are Cecil Collins, and that Neb. RB that eventually ended Steve Young's career by whiffing (looked more like an "ole block") a blitzer and getting Young's bell rung for him for the last time. That idiot RB from OSU's NC team (names keep slipping my mind today) that recently went to prison for robbery. Guys who had the world at their fingertips, and let it slip away. Ricky Williams too, but I think he had serious mental probs. I think Miles did all he could, and likely much more than anyone but those close to the program will ever know. At some point the team as a whole has to be your focus, not one kid that refuses your help, grace, and guidance. |
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Post by coachwoodall on May 2, 2008 12:36:28 GMT -6
You got to get the right people on the bus and the wrong people off the bus.
And sometimes it is a matter of getting the right people off the wrong bus.
It is the hardest thing a coach does. I hate it as much as anybody, but I can't save everybody. Maybe somebody else can save the ones that I miss.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 2, 2008 18:26:45 GMT -6
Define better? I have not been to a single practice, have not evaluated any practice or game tape, and do not know how either one of them is executing what is asked from them. Neither have the "writers, ex-players, and fans" Being in the deep south most fans view a black quarterback as "athletically superior" and then just expect the coaches to turn him to an athletic Manning or Brady. We as coaches know that skin color does not equal athletic ability,. and that decision making is very tough when the bullets are flying What I CAN say is that from a trust aspect, Flynn is 100% better than Perriloux. Perriloux has had numerous run ins with local and FEDERAL law enforcement on various issues. It would not be a stretch of the imagination at all for him to put himself in a position to be kicked off the team... And for my NEXT amazing trick...the powerball numbers will be 8 67 5 30 9 |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 2, 2008 19:26:30 GMT -6
I guess I was hoping this could stimulate a discussion of A) Player accountability and doing your best to help a kid out by making special circumstances...... not judging whether or not Miles made the 'right' or 'wrong' decision, but moreso in discussion that we can use as coaches on the proper handling of athletes and the personal baggage the sometimes bring. B) With the marked improvement in Matt Flynn's subtle mechanics and Crowton's buy-in, will we be seeing more usage of the Slack methodology to accellerate the development of the young blue-chip recruits at quarterback for this team? Sadly, with regards to "A" this was done a LONG time ago. When Perriloux first decommitted from Texas, I told many of my friends (who were all stuck on the hype, and caught up in the sickening thing that is recruiting...) "He will NOT play 2 seasons at LSU" Knowing how he performed in H.S...knowing that he NEVER made a mistake in H.S. (either his WR ran bad routes or dropped balls, or the OL didn't block, and the defense played poorly. After signing the LOI to LSU, RP then quickly predicated a minimum of 2 or 3 Heisman trophies, and that he had no worries about beating out Jamarcus Russel and Matt Flynn to start for 4 years....it was only a matter of time.. |
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Post by dsqa on May 4, 2008 7:51:34 GMT -6
brophy,
I was at LSU working with Matt last week in prep for the move to Green Bay, and I was able to work with each of the LSU QBs while I was there on MATT's nickel, NOT LSU's.
He wanted to help the guys coming behind him so he setup those guys to join him with Crowton's okay. Want to be careful about not making it sound like LSU is setting this up - they cannot.
Jarret Lee is the front runner at the moment. Good quick release and made some great throws in the Spring game
Andrew Hatch I will be seeing at the end of May, but his shoulder is rehabbing from a scope surgery. They like his mobility and he also has a good arm
Jordan Jefferson. An incoming freshman I worked with. Has a very strong arm, and looks like a great athlete, but he is definitely going to need some work on the feet.
Coach Crowton is one of the finest men and coaches I have ever met, and it is an honor to work with these guys.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 4, 2008 10:24:38 GMT -6
dc--it was a forgone conclusion..lol. I was labeled a big "negative " person when I pointed out the following things when he committed to LSU way back
1. The kid had already been "removed" from a high school. He attended John Curtis Christian School..but was..ehem.."removed" as a freshman because JC (and his 20 state titles) would not bend rules or modify the program for him.
2. It was "well known" that his H.S Coach down here gave him every opportunity to shun criticism . As stated, it was "never" Ryan's fault. WR's either ran bad routes, or dropped balls, or the OL didn't block, or the defense didn't stop anyone. He was never pushed, never disciplined..and never challenged.
3. When he committed he immediately guaranteed Heisman trophies and that he would beat out Russell and Flynn.
As I said, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he was A BUST waiting to happen.
So the lesson here for us coaches..IS TO CHALLENGE EVERYONE. Challenge the 7th string JV corner, and Challenge your All-American blue chippers. MAKE them overcome obstacles, make them develop as men...
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Post by phantom on May 4, 2008 15:31:03 GMT -6
People with talent. Flynn isn't chopped liver. He's an SEC scholarship QB who got drafted. It's not like they had Rudy at QB. |
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) out of me. just give it to hester!!!!!!!!!!!
?? Or are we looking at two shockers in a row?
