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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 14, 2007 18:55:30 GMT -6
If you like the article from the New York Times then check out this article. www.cjonline.com/stories/111107/pre_216812045.shtmlBy the way I like this system but lets not forget these kids are not a small bunch. The average on the OL is 220 (have a LOT at 360) and the backs are about 210LB. Not small. I do like this part of the article. "It's just that the Redmen are better than everyone else, running their wishbone offense — all six plays of it — to near perfection, swarming opposing ball carriers with the zeal of lions moving in on a fresh kill." The real tests will be this Friday vs St. Francis and maybe later a rematch of the same championship vs St. Mary's-Colgan.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 14, 2007 20:55:16 GMT -6
Columbine runs a combination of the wing-T, full house T, I, with fb power and option, (midline, inside veer, and outside veer). They do run some double dive but do not reverse pivot the QB.
They might not reverse pivot anymore. I haven't seen them in several years, and I haven't talked with Lowry for a long time either. Originally when Lowry first went to Columbine, he ran George Squires system from Lakewood (who won the 85 4a- largest at the time- championship in CO. Lakewood suited about 21, Cherry Creek suited well over 100 and Lakewood won 47-8). Lakewood ran a straight T... reverse pivot double dive and Columbine ran it at least through the late 90s. I know they went to much more midline towards the end of the decade. The Columbine staff spent a lot of time at AFA when DeBerry was there.
Smith Center looks a lot like the Columbine offense from about 10 years ago. They had a lot of success with it, but once they ran midline well (98 or 99 around there) they won about 2 titles every 3 years.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 14, 2007 23:14:18 GMT -6
Coach,
Do you happen to have any info from Coach Squires??
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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 14, 2007 23:34:00 GMT -6
For you guys looking for Smith Center game tape I found this site. www.oldschoolyou.comAnything after 1984 has them running the wishbone inside and outside belly series.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 15, 2007 0:25:27 GMT -6
Do you happen to have any info from Coach Squires??
No. Nothing other than stuff I discussed with Lowry years ago. When Squires was at Lakewood I played against them in HS. He left Lakewood to take the job at Columbine, where Andy Lowry followed as an assistant (I think Andy played for him at Lakewood... can't remember for sure is Squires was there then- Andy was a few years ahead of me in school). Anyway, before his first season at Columbine (93 or 94), Squires unexpectedly quit- giving Lowry the position, where he has had great success.
All I know about him is that he (Squires) was from England. He came over to the US to be a kicker somewhere (had only played soccer to that point). He ran a straight T with 6-8 plays and in 85 crushed everyone in the big schools with just 21 guys. I had several friends on that team from summer baseball, etc. It seems that of the 21, at least 15 played college ball (3-4 D1 guys- 2 who started on Colorado's national championship team- and several D2... a few basketball/baseball guys). Good system... but they were loaded.
He is kind of a mystery... but he has a lot of success in the 10 or so years he coached.
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Post by mojoben on Nov 16, 2007 11:09:43 GMT -6
It is the total package. The team Smith Center plays tonight is the OTHER program based off of Roger's program. Smith Center, Holton, and St. Francis all run the Barta Bone. Like I mentioned before St. Francis is led by Tim Lambert who played at Smith Center under Roger and the same time as Brooks.
As it stands right now they are expecting possibly up to 4,000-6,000 people at the game tonight. We are talking communities that hold only 1,000-2,000 people total in their respective communities. National media out of your you know what is suppose to be there. Even word that ESPN is likely going to do a possible 20 second spot about the game.
These are the type of schools, communities, and programs people write books about. I wish I could go.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 16, 2007 12:04:23 GMT -6
Senator, what do you think the QB is doing on their double dive series. Is he running a double dive option (where he is optioning the DT then the DE) or is it simply a double dive.
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Post by 3ydsandacloud on Nov 16, 2007 17:18:32 GMT -6
Senator, what do you think the QB is doing on their double dive series. Is he running a double dive option (where he is optioning the DT then the DE) or is it simply a double dive. Straight DD. They aren't leaving anyone on the line as a read and it would be hard for the QB to read on the reverse pivot. I believe they may have an IV play in the playbook, but they run inside belly left and right all night long.
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Post by mojoben on Nov 17, 2007 0:52:05 GMT -6
Smith Center was finally scored on tonight. They beat a very good St. Francis team 44-6. Smith Center heads to the State Championship game next Saturday in Hays, Kansas. I'll be attendance to watch the game and to check out the Redmen squad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2007 9:12:56 GMT -6
Not being sarcastic here at all. That St. Francis team must be good--as wide as that margin is, it's their closest game of the year I believe.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 17, 2007 13:47:35 GMT -6
This game came down to too many turnovers for the St. Francis Indians. BTW, they both run the same offense since Tim Lambert, the St.Francis HC, played for Barta at Smith Center.
Smith Center Ends Season for Indians Five Turnovers Too Costly
by Kent Kechter The St. Francis Indians traveled to Smith Center on Friday evening to play the Smith Center Redmen in the substate championship game. Smith Center won the toss, elected to receive, and returned the kick to the 37 yard line. Smith Center began with a no huddle offense. After a few plays, Braden Wilson broke off a long run against the Indian defense with Ted Crabtree making a touchdown saving tackle at the Sainty 27 yard line. The Indian defense forced the Redmen into a 3rd and 7, but then were drawn offside on a long count to make the situation 3rd and 3. Smith Center was stopped on the next play, but inched out a first down on 4th and 2. The Indians gave up yards grudingly, and got the Redmen into 4th and 1 on the 6 yard line. The chains were brought in after the 4th down play and again the Redmen inched out a first down at the 5 yard line. Braden Wilson scored on 3rd down on a 2 yard run. The two point conversion was no good.
St. Francis returned the Smith Center kickoff to the 26 yard line. On 3rd and 7 from the 29 yard line, Ted Crabtree ran around the end all the way to the Smith Center 6 yard line where he was tackled by Joe Windsheffel. On 2nd and goal, David Guthmiller plunged up the middle for the touchdown. The conversion attempt was no good. The game was tied 6-6 with 2:54 left in the first quarter.
On the next play from scrimmage, Trevor Rempe took the ball 68 yards untouched for the second Redmen touchdown. The conversion run was good. Saint Francis trailed 6-14.
Saint Francis began the next possession at the 16 yard line. On third down, the Indians fumbled and Smith Center recovered at the St. Francis 21 yard line. Two plays later, Rempe again ran untouched up the middle for another touchdown (conversion no good). The lead increased to 6-20 with 0:35 left in the 1st quarter.
The ensuing kickoff was returned to the 50 yard line by Ted Crabtree, but a penalty on the Indians brought the ball back to the 23 yard marker. St. Francis began a "typical St. Francis drive"--grinding out short chunks of yardage following their powerful offensive line and using punishing running. During the drive, St. Francis converted on two critical fourth and one plays, one at the SC 39 yard line and one at the SC 16 yard line. After a sustained drive of eighteen plays consuming over eight minutes, St. Francis fumbled the ball and the Redmen recovered with 2:22 left in the half.
On the next play, Rempe fumbled the ball back to the Indians. Ted Crabtree recovered the fumble. On first down, Crabtree attempted a pass and Smith Center was called for roughing the passer. This gave St. Francis a 1st down on the Smith Center 10 yard line with 2:11 to go in the half.
On 3rd and 5, Crabtree dove to the 1 yard line. With less than a 1/2 yard to go, Saint Francis ran an option play. Crabtree was hit just as he made the pitch to Raile and the Redmen recovered for the third time with 0:53 in the half. Halftime arrived with St.Francis trailing 6-20, knowing they could move the ball against the highly touted Redmen defense, and stinging from three critical turnovers.
St. Francis received the second half kickoff and advanced it to the 32 yard line. Three plays later, the Indians faced 4th and 3. The Indians went for it and converted. An unsportsmanlike penalty was called on Smith Center which gave the Indians 1st down at the SF 49 yard line. St. Francis tried three more plays, but then punted to ball out of bounds at the 25 yard line on 4th and 8 with 8:09 left in 3rd quarter.
Smith Center then advanced the ball on a twelve play drive to face 4th down at the St. Francis 1 yard line. Braden Wilson scored on a 1 yard plunge (Wilson conversion run) to advance the score to 6-28 at 3:43 in the 3rd quarter.
The Smith Center kickoff was short and Sainty fell on the ball for no return. St. Francis advanced the ball deep into Redman territory in the fourth quarter. On 4th and 12, Braden Wilson intercepted a Crabtree pass. Smith Center then moved the ball down the field, mostly behind a big run by Wilson to the 20 yard line. With 4:02 remaining in the game, Joe Windsheffel ran for a 6 yard touchdown (conversion pass to Wilson good) to advance the score to 6-36 with 4:02 to go.
St. Francis got the ball again and advanced the ball some only to lose a another fumble. Smith Center's Colt Rogers picked up the ball an scampered 38 yards for the final Redman touchdown (Wilson conversion good). Sainty fell behind 6-44.
St. Francis thus ends another fine season with an 11-2 record. This the third straight season for St. Francis to win eleven games. It also marks the third straight year to lose to Smith Center in the semifinal round of the playoffs. The 6 points scored by the Indians were the only points scored by a Redmen opponent since the Indians lost to Smith Center in last year's semifinal 2-6. (Smith Center had outscored their opponents 760-0 entering this game.) Smith Center's winning streak of 53 games is still intact and their opportunity to win a fourth consecutive state championship looks good.
Congratulations to the Indian team and coaches for another fine season. We are proud of you!
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 18, 2007 16:41:21 GMT -6
Senator, what do you think the QB is doing on their double dive series. Is he running a double dive option (where he is optioning the DT then the DE) or is it simply a double dive.
I THINK that it is predetermined. Can't say that for sure... I need to look at a lot more. We actually tried to do that (run an option on the second dive). Either: 1. our QB couldn't handle it, 2. I am not smart enough to coach it right or 3. I was not patient enough to make it work. The read on the double never made it past spring with us. Not a bad idea... but you have to be willing to devote a lot more time to it than I was willing to put in to it.
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Post by abbo55 on Nov 18, 2007 22:44:49 GMT -6
Every call we make is predetermined. 10 series is inside belly, 20 is outside.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 19, 2007 0:39:00 GMT -6
Every call we make is predetermined. 10 series is inside belly, 20 is outside.
Thanks. I figured as much. The SC Belly series is definitely something I want to research further.
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Post by ack32 on Nov 19, 2007 0:51:08 GMT -6
This is the nuts and bolts of why WE do what WE do......It takes a village to raise a child, African Proberal wisom being put to use in a small town in Kansas....Great Article
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