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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2007 8:15:26 GMT -6
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Post by saintrad on Nov 9, 2007 11:42:10 GMT -6
awesome article
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Post by cmow5 on Nov 9, 2007 12:12:14 GMT -6
Good stuff!
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 9, 2007 13:30:47 GMT -6
Great stuff there!!
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mojoben
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Post by mojoben on Nov 9, 2007 14:15:50 GMT -6
Yup a excellent article! I'm proud of Smith Center for what they have done there. It makes it even more special having cousins on that squad right now.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 9, 2007 14:19:11 GMT -6
Hey superpower, arent you up there in Kansas? Do you have to play them at all?
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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2007 14:23:10 GMT -6
We are an hour away but the open dates on our schedule don't currently match up. Over the years there have been some great battles between Smith Center and Beloit. Smith Center has 6 state titles and Beloit has four.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 9, 2007 14:24:56 GMT -6
So how did you guys end up doing in the season and why the heck are you guys playing playoffs on a Tuesday?
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Post by superpower on Nov 9, 2007 14:38:31 GMT -6
We were 7-2 in the regular season and lost first round of the playoffs. We ended up with 4000+ total offense and had a wingback who had 182 carries for 2171 yards and 30 TDs. Our defense was better this year, but we still had trouble against spread teams who had faster athletes.
32 teams qualify from the smaller classifications; so to get the playoffs done on the weekend of Thanksgiving, the last regular season game is on a Thursday; then the first round of playoffs is the following Tuesday; the second round is that Saturday; after that it is just one game per week.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on Nov 10, 2007 5:50:05 GMT -6
superpower/mojoben: I see both rivals.com and MaxPreps rate Smith Center #6 in Kansas, presumably behind some much larger schools.
Does this seem accurate to you?
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Post by jraybern on Nov 10, 2007 12:04:29 GMT -6
Well, I coach in KS as well. Have not seen Smith Center. I have seen Silver Lake. I would definately not have them at #3 like maxpreps does. They are in the top 2 teams in class 3A which is one class size bigger than Smith Center plays in. If Smith Center is as good as advertised (and obviously they are) they would thump Silver Lake. So given this, I would actually tend to rank them higher than 6th. At the same time, I don't think Smith Center could even come close to hanging with the #1 team in the state in 6A (the largest class size) Hutchinson (I have seen them play also). Maxpreps has McPherson and Juntion City at 8 and 11 respectively...I would be shocked if these teams couldn't also beat Smith Center fairly soundly. They are both much larger schools than Smith Center.
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Post by superpower on Nov 11, 2007 7:52:33 GMT -6
I think Smith Center would be the best team in either 3A or 4A, but beyond that I just don't know how they would match up.
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Post by Coach Goodnight on Nov 11, 2007 17:13:47 GMT -6
Hey Superpower great season BTW I'm glad that I am a crossover to the dark side!!
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Post by abbo55 on Nov 13, 2007 22:06:46 GMT -6
I would love to see a game between SC and Silver Lake or Andale (#1 in 3A and 4A respectively.) I think we could match up decently with them, especially at full strength, with our starting fullback and swingback. I think our ranking is deserved, since we've beat the traditional power in our league-Norton- and everyone else, pretty soundly. 760-0. Crazy.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 13, 2007 23:31:58 GMT -6
Can you run his offense at the higher levels? I say yes, but I would like to hear others' points of view.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 14, 2007 10:18:18 GMT -6
Can you run his offense at the higher levels? I say yes, but I would like to hear others' points of view.
We ran it (2TE WB) 6 years in class 5A (1997-2002). In the 6 years we went 46-22 (4 league titles, 2 runner-up) at a school who had been to the playoffs once in the previous 23 years... so I'd say yes.
We did run a little midline... but mostly power stuff.
I'd really love to see Smith Center on film.
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Post by superpower on Nov 14, 2007 10:29:33 GMT -6
Can you run his offense at the higher levels? I say yes, but I would like to hear others' points of view.We ran it (2TE WB) 6 years in class 5A (1997-2002). In the 6 years we went 46-22 (4 league titles, 2 runner-up) at a school who had been to the playoffs once in the previous 23 years... so I'd say yes. We did run a little midline... but mostly power stuff. I'd really love to see Smith Center on film. www.usd237.com/HS_FB_index.php
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Post by gmccown on Nov 14, 2007 10:44:14 GMT -6
Boy that is a lot of misdirection for a linebacker to follow.
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Post by superpower on Nov 14, 2007 11:21:26 GMT -6
Teams must be assignment sound AND have the horses to compete with them.
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mojoben
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Post by mojoben on Nov 14, 2007 11:39:16 GMT -6
First off no I do not think Smith Center is one of the top 5 teams in the state overall, but I agree they would be the best team 4A down and I coach at the 4A level. With that being said, I think they could compete with the best the state has to offer up in the 5A and 6A levels, but not sure if they could beat the likes of Hutchinson, Blue Valle West, etc.
Like Superpower mentioned, you have to be assignment sound to beat them, but luckily for the Redmen there is no one out there that can match them man for man. They make that wishbone look like a thing of art and defensively they are just relentless.
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Post by 3ydsandacloud on Nov 14, 2007 14:20:40 GMT -6
Can you run his offense at the higher levels? I say yes, but I would like to hear others' points of view.We ran it (2TE WB) 6 years in class 5A (1997-2002). In the 6 years we went 46-22 (4 league titles, 2 runner-up) at a school who had been to the playoffs once in the previous 23 years... so I'd say yes. We did run a little midline... but mostly power stuff. I'd really love to see Smith Center on film. I haven't seen film, but I've hear Columbine in Colorado runs a very similar offense. They are defending champs in the biggest class in CO and nationally ranked.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 14, 2007 15:07:36 GMT -6
Columbine (CO 5a... largest) ran out of a straight T (6 years ago anyway). they do put a wing out occasionally. Predominantly midline team (ran a lot of belly in the mid 90s... when they added midline they started to win championships...so it was good for them). Columbine rarely has any big time D1 type players (a lot of good DII guys). They ran few plays, ran them really well and had a tremendous defense.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 14, 2007 15:13:50 GMT -6
Senator, do you think it would to get too much heat in a program that has had a losing tradition? In otherwords, if a guy was going to take a program over, do you think this would get too much heat and undermine the the new coach?
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 14, 2007 15:38:27 GMT -6
Senator, do you think it would to get too much heat in a program that has had a losing tradition? In otherwords, if a guy was going to take a program over, do you think this would get too much heat and undermine the the new coach?
Don't mean to stray from the topic.... but:
I felt that a little. The situation I got in to was pretty bad for many years... but we came in a didn't pass (1-2 x per game), ran quick kicks (hardly punted), ran 2TE 3 back... and some other teachers told me that at our very first game people in the stands kept questioning what we were doing (to put it nicely). We won that first game 14-0 and had 5 possessions (ran the clock out on the last). We were fortunate to start 3-0 (and match the win total of the two previous years)... and they shut up. Six years later when we couldn't seem to get beyond 8-3... the heat came back. I guess it is something you can not worry about as long as you remind yourself that almost all coaches were fired or will be fired.
I'm of the line of thinking that you can run any scheme anywhere at any level... as long as there is buy in from those who matter to your program/employment status. Certainly some things are an easier sell than others... (we now run a single wing and double wing...not an easy sell, but our kids/community buy in to it here).
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Nov 14, 2007 16:00:57 GMT -6
By the way... superpower thanks for the link. I watched a little. It does remind me of Columbine in the early 90s (Lakewood too... when I was in HS). I need to watch those a lot (hopefully I can transfer to tape to slow it down and see the blocking).
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Post by thunder17 on Nov 14, 2007 16:13:17 GMT -6
Yes I am sure they could compete against all teams 4A and smaller, but once you hit 5-6A your dealing with another beast. Blue Valley West at 5A and Hutch at 6A probably have 150 or more kids out for football, at least I know West does. West is just full of athletes. I think they have been in the playoffs the last three years and won baseball and basketball titles last year. They have a ton of athletes! I also think Hutch is going for their 4th straight in 6A. Pretty darn good football teams. But there are some pretty bad 5A teams they could beat. That being said I would not want to play SC, I am on the defensive side of the ball!
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Post by coachorr on Nov 14, 2007 16:48:02 GMT -6
Now, I assumed that this was the "Barta Bone" offense, that we have talked about from time to time, simply because that is the name of the coach at Smith Center and it is in Kansas.
There are three backs in the backfield, but they are wishbone (not inverted). Also, I never saw any cross blocking trapping or Belly action. Just a lot of double dive.
Is this the famed Coach Barta who runs the Barta Bone, or is this someone else?
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abbo55
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Post by abbo55 on Nov 14, 2007 16:54:04 GMT -6
This is the Barta Bone, run by Roger Barta here in SC. The blocking isn't complicated. Just double dive stuff.
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Post by dgs on Nov 14, 2007 17:06:05 GMT -6
I never heard it called that but it probably is. I coach against Roger's son, Brooks. Brooks was a heck of a player at K State. When he took over at Holton (4A) he installed the same system. He has been tremondously successful at Holton. Numerous league championships and a few trips to the state championship game, winning at least one. Holton had another quality team this year. However, they recently lost to the defending state champion in the quarterfinals. The Barta system is more than an offense; it is outstanding player development. His weight program is second to none. Their kids are conditioned and strong. He has more players over 275 lbs. than you can shake a stick at.
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Post by jcarbon2 on Nov 14, 2007 18:47:38 GMT -6
Columbine runs a combination of the wing-T, full house T, I, with fb power and option, (midline, inside veer, and outside veer). They do run some double dive but do not reverse pivot the QB.
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