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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 11:46:36 GMT -6
high school ball is turning into college mentality. win at all costs, regardless. win and keep job, to hell with getting kids to school or teaching young men about being an adult. would die to have what my coach had,,,,,35 yrs at 1 school, losing record in that span(dont want that part(only by like 10 wins or so)), win games everyones happy, winning season even better, lose games-get em next time coach, losing seasons--have a good offseason and recharge and get better. where are those jobs at? That is my dream right there... to find a place and spend decades there, building it up. The first guy I ever coached under, who just retired a year ago, had 35 years at his school and retired with a record right at .500 and a handful of nice playoff runs. He was great. There were people in the community who were critical of him, just like anywhere else, but no one who mattered paid any mind to them. My hometown had a legend like that who retired before I was born, too. My uncle played for him. He coached at that school for 25 years and was beloved by everybody--so much so that the town took up a collection and surprised him with a new car as his retirement gift at his last game. He had a lot of really strong 8+ seasons early on and a few playoff spots, but retired with a record right at .500, too. The men who played for him, or just the students he had in class, would have taken a bullet for him, though. You don't see many chances for careers like that now. New principals want "their guys" if you're not winning as much as they think you should. When that legend in my hometown retired, it was because his school was consolidated. The one that opened up the next year floundered through something like 6 coaches in the first 14 years after he was gone, many of them very good coaches who went on to success at other places.
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Post by mnike23 on Jan 17, 2017 12:19:37 GMT -6
high school ball is turning into college mentality. win at all costs, regardless. win and keep job, to hell with getting kids to school or teaching young men about being an adult. would die to have what my coach had,,,,,35 yrs at 1 school, losing record in that span(dont want that part(only by like 10 wins or so)), win games everyones happy, winning season even better, lose games-get em next time coach, losing seasons--have a good offseason and recharge and get better. where are those jobs at? That is my dream right there... to find a place and spend decades there, building it up. The first guy I ever coached under, who just retired a year ago, had 35 years at his school and retired with a record right at .500 and a handful of nice playoff runs. He was great. There were people in the community who were critical of him, just like anywhere else, but no one who mattered paid any mind to them. My hometown had a legend like that who retired before I was born, too. My uncle played for him. He coached at that school for 25 years and was beloved by everybody--so much so that the town took up a collection and surprised him with a new car as his retirement gift at his last game. He had a lot of really strong 8+ seasons early on and a few playoff spots, but retired with a record right at .500, too. The men who played for him, or just the students he had in class, would have taken a bullet for him, though. You don't see many chances for careers like that now. New principals want "their guys" if you're not winning as much as they think you should. When that legend in my hometown retired, it was because his school was consolidated. The one that opened up the next year floundered through something like 6 coaches in the first 14 years after he was gone, many of them very good coaches who went on to success at other places. coach, I promise im not making this up. the HC job i held for past 3 seasons (before this past one) when I took it, within 2 months MY high school head coach retired, mid of year. the principal was my algebra teacher in high school and something like 25 people i went to school with all worked at my old high school. several of them called/facebooked, etc and asked me to come home and take over for coach. i seriously thought about it, quitting a job i just took to take over my dream job. replace the guy that spent 35 yrs as head coach and carry on what that crazy old bastard taught me. within 18 months, summer before the school year started (2 yrs later) they consolidated to 1 school in town and asked the guy that took over(another former player, like 6 years removed from playing) to step down and be on the other school(rival school too, which I despise more than anything in the world and hate the color purple because that was their color) asst coach. so glad I didnt take the job, but dam....all i have wanted for 10yrs is to be that old man still at the same school and have been for years and years... pipe dream now....
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Post by coachcb on Jan 17, 2017 12:36:15 GMT -6
There is a coach in my hometown that has been the high school HC since the school was built 31 years ago. His teams have played for a a couple of state titles, won one and have had some play-off runs. All and all, he'll finish up with a sub .500 record as they've had some rough times but he's been a pillar of that school for a long time.
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Post by newhope on Jan 20, 2017 9:16:06 GMT -6
Generally, unless the previous staff was a complete cluster, you're not going to win big in the first year. There are generally reasons beyond poor coaching for teams losing and those usually take time to fix. There are exceptions, but in high school where you don't get to go out and draft or recruit players, it's pretty much the way it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 9:23:23 GMT -6
Generally, unless the previous staff was a complete cluster, you're not going to win big in the first year. There are generally reasons beyond poor coaching for teams losing and those usually take time to fix. There are exceptions, but in high school where you don't get to go out and draft or recruit players, it's pretty much the way it works. I agree 100%. When I posted this question, I didn't mean "win big" as much as I meant "win more." For example, taking over a 1-9 or 0-10 team that was blown out every week by 50 and getting them to 3-7 with most of the losses coming within 20 points, in the minds of a lot of kids, is "winning" in that scenario.
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Post by coachdjenkins on Jan 21, 2017 9:18:58 GMT -6
Have been a Head Coach for 4 years - Took over 2 programs in completely different Situations.
Job #1 - 0-19, last two seasons and 7-32 in the last 4 seasons. Was important to establish the "right" way to do things first. Program had a great history and had tremendous community support in the past. Going into first season had to get kids to buy into working in Weight Room and being Accountable. Started 7 Freshman on Varsity Offense the first season. Played competitive games early and gave some hope won 5 of last 6 games and reached the playoffs. Went on the Road and pulled big upset in 1st Round and then returned home defeating #5 team in the Final Game in Old Stadium, before losing to eventual State Champs in Quarterfinals by 7. The combination of playing a lot of young kids continually improvement week in and week catapulted the expectations and increased commitment and excitement. Program grew ahead of schedule - 3rd year, Lost All-American QB (who started as a Freshman) for regular season finished 7-3 but made run before losing in State Championship.
Important Factors for us turning around 0-19 program - Principal willing to allow hiring of Good Staff - Principal supportive of getting kids in Weight Room - Getting Kids to buy-in and Work - Getting Community back excited about football and supporting the Kids - Being Competitive Again with Young Kids promoted promise for future - 1st Year Success in Playoffs - Accelerated Program Growth
Job #2 - Taking over a Program where HC retired after Winning a State Championship & 4 since 2003 - Disclaimer I was own this staff for 11 years prior to taking 1st HC job - 3 of State Championships (OC for 2)
Expectations were established it was State Title or bust before I was even hired. Had to subtly make changes and mold program to fit my personality. Made changes that I believed were imperative to creating a foundation for future. Challenges included the Championship Hang over and remain focused on the expected goal. Everything we did we made it about preparation and opportunity to gain the skills, maturity and resolve to win on Dec. 10th (State Championship Game). The team carried those expectations and became resilient and developed in my opinion the most important quality a team can have - "Belief" - They believed in each other and the staff that we would find a way to win. We were out gained in total Offense in all 5 playoff games, defense created turnovers and made countless crucial Red Zone Stops. Offense made plays in critical situations. We believe it is
Keys to the Past Season - Embraced Expectations - Committed Practice & OffSeason to Improving Skill Level and Understanding of Scheme Everyday - Made every week about us improving and learning what it would take to Perform at our best when needed the most - Changed Practice to Make Sure we were the team in the Best Shape and Mentally Focused for those Crucial Moments - Made Team Success more important then individual accolades - Commitment to Character & Leadership Development off the Field (New to the Program) - Eliminated all team goals that could be measured in Regular Season
Still working on wrapping head around the differences - Part of this offseason is being spent reviewing notes
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 23, 2017 10:38:49 GMT -6
My first stint as a HC we went, 1-10, 5-6 and 8-4 in that order. The last season was the first winning season in 7 years. We stayed the course and didn't make whole sale changes after that first year and just tried to develop talent, recruit the hallways and be better coaches each year.
I think if we had panicked and made a bunch of changes that the first year it would have been a mistake.
Rome wasn't built in a year or a day.
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