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Post by tothehouse on Mar 21, 2007 23:15:57 GMT -6
scholarships or something to high school students who want to be student filmers for sports teams?
I am trying to convince our school to look into a program where students film for all athletic teams. I need to tie in a piece that say the students can get something paid for at the next level.
Any info would be great. PM me with phone numbers of people I can call for more information. Any information ASAP will be extremely helpful.
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Post by coachbw on Mar 21, 2007 23:24:29 GMT -6
I don't really have a first hand answer for youon this, but I did come across this a few months back that may help you. www.landro.com/landromgr.html |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 22, 2007 5:53:17 GMT -6
YES to the house...we had some students receive some money (cash/not scholarships) from a student job which consisted of filming practice and dubbing. However, I do not think a high school program will lead to any increased chances of a student getting this student job in college OTHER than having the High School head coach making some phone calls to the college video coordinator.
What I would do is approach booster club for FUNDS to PAY these students--it is an after school job afterall.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 8:17:17 GMT -6
What I am looking at is starting a program for student filmers in high school to gain experience and then receive some kind of support when they move onto a college. Like an academic or athletic scholarship. Some kind of video coordinator type thing.
I am not looking for them to get paid for their efforts in high school.
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Post by phantom on Mar 22, 2007 8:26:19 GMT -6
5085 is right. My son did video in college and he was paid as a work-study job. Most of the guys that do the filming are ex-players who can't play anymore. The head video guy just trains them. It's not rocket surgery. Now, a video coordinator job is different but I can't imagine that they'd hire a student for that.
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Post by SAcoach on Mar 22, 2007 8:26:47 GMT -6
Might try this site
[ftp]http://www.csva.com/[/ftp]
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 22, 2007 13:50:10 GMT -6
to the house...sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it would be pretty difficult to make that sale to your school. As I stated, there aren't really situations where participating in a program such as the one you want to start would benefit the students in the future UNLESS you established a relationship with a local college.
As someone earlier typed, it isn't really rocket science...just pause/record/pause/record. Everything else would be software dependant. The positions in college are usually GRADUATE school positions--high school club wouldn't have much bearing.
If you are trying to do this to get FILMERS for YOUR school, then I suggest you look into paying them as an after school job. If you are doing this to try and actually create a program for these kids with interest...then I suggest you start calling the END USER (colleges) first and try to establish something.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 14:10:46 GMT -6
The other part I didn't mention is the fact that they would be trained to use editing equipment as well. It wouldn't be just filming.
Thanks for the imput so far.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 22, 2007 14:15:23 GMT -6
tothe house
Try contacting Don Shows (pronounced OW like SHOWER) at West Monroe High School in North Louisiana. They supposedly have a program like this...but..they are very much a football factory though, so he carries a lot of clout.)
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 14:52:57 GMT -6
Thanks 85. My idea is more for all sports (leaning a lot towards football). Just looking to help students go to the next level some how. We have clout here as well. Just need to have more firepower if someone tries to shoot it down.
I'll give coach a call. Should have some great insight. Do you have his number? Could you PM that to me if you do?
Thanks
PS - BW thanks for that link above. I just checked it.
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Post by brophy on Mar 22, 2007 14:55:49 GMT -6
There was an AFM article about this about 2 years ago.....I wanna say it was the Video Coordinator for UCLA..... oh, wait..........here it is... www.americanfootballmonthly.com/Subaccess/Magazine/2004/may/cover2.htmlThe issue was like a 5 page spread about WHAT he does and what coaches require of the VC. It was pretty much a glorified GA spot and he gets worked like a dog. hey, we've used that line to lure kids to help us film, too,man |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 22, 2007 16:01:50 GMT -6
No, I don't have any of his info..but if you google the school (west monroe high school louisiana) they have a website or two.
I would have to say (sorry to be the naysayer) that the program would probably benefit your HS greatly....but wouldn't accomplish what you want for students much at all. These positions at the college level are simply work-study programs, and the training you are talking about wouldn't benefit them much in getting that position....UNLESS as I said, you had something set up with the colleges before hand. Thats why i suggested getting the kids paid for their work at the HS level.
A Vid Coordinator at many D1 colleges is a full time salaried position with the university...beneftits etc.
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Post by phantom on Mar 22, 2007 16:44:28 GMT -6
One of the buzzwords in education today is "technology". If you call the class a "Sports Technology" class you may have a chance.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 17:30:57 GMT -6
Phantom...I am with you there.
Broph...thanks for that article.
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Post by airman on Mar 22, 2007 17:48:03 GMT -6
I did not read the article but I know they do give scholarships for equipment managers at some schools. I mean you start out as a slug but you can earn a scholarship or you could 10 years ago. I know a guy who taht is how he went to college free for 3 yrs.
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 20:54:08 GMT -6
Just received information that a lot of colleges in the south have offered students paid positions, partial, and even full scholarships to student filmers out of high school. Got some great leads. Thanks you guys for your input.
HOUSE
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 22, 2007 21:06:40 GMT -6
Just to add my two cents, I only participated in football and track so I was available during basketball season. My OL coach was getting paid to film games and didn't really like doing it so he asked the BB coach and then offered the job to me. I got paid $10 per game (usually $20 a night - boys and girls games, sometimes $40 w/ JV).
IMO, you're not going to find many students who will jump at the opportunity to further a video/filming career, but if you are able to pay them you're much more likely to find enough takers.
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Post by touchdowng on Mar 22, 2007 22:22:18 GMT -6
One of the worst players I have ever coached was also one of the best people I've ever coached. Eagle scout, good grades, musician, etc.
He wants to be a middle school teacher / football coach and was accepted at one of our state colleges as a students. The school has one of the better 1AA programs in the nation.
I told their coaches about this young man and asked if they had any type of management (work study) jobs that he could do because he wants to stay connected to the game but knows he isn't a very good player.
They brought him on as an assistant video guy. The second year they gave him a quarter tuition scholarship. He is going into his 3rd year with the program and now has a half scholarship that includes tuition, room and board. He is very well taken care of by the staff and the players love the boy!
He proved himself (as I knew he would) and now I know I have an "in" for my guys who are like my "little player that could".
Opportunities are there!
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Post by tothehouse on Mar 22, 2007 22:31:57 GMT -6
Coach Moore - we have a pretty serious video/technology class on campus. It is funded by a grant. We HAVE TO, key phrase, HAVE TO, show that the students that leave the school are attempting to go into some kind of field where technology is a major part. Think of any technological job in media and our students have a chance to move on.
Hence, more opportunity. Not only helping out the athletics program, but themselves. Now, they might not want to be video assistants for a sports program at the next level, but the real world training they will get doing this "job" will be invaluable.
G - Great post. That is the stuff I am hearing about now. People are getting those opportunities.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 22, 2007 23:00:28 GMT -6
to the house--yes people are getting the opportunties because the high school coaches are making the contacts. The most important part of your program will be the high school reps getting intouch with colleges and setting up a pipeline. That would be the key selling point if you are getting shot down.
I know I must sound like a naysayer, but having coached dealth with video and the video guys in college while coaching , I feel that sports video is a pretty narrow niche and it really isn't a great opportunity for the general population interested in visual arts. It IS good opportunity for people like TD G described depending on the tuition/room and board (a cheap state school, you might do better financially just getting a McJob when you calculate the hours spent. A scholarship at a more expensive private school is different obviously)
Hope everything works out for the best.
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