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Post by groundchuck on Jan 17, 2006 21:26:23 GMT -6
What are the major differences between the DeMeo gun option materials and the more commonly discussed gun spread option made popular by Urban Meyer and a host of other coaches.
In as far as I have read so far the DeMeo scheme (for lack of a better phrase) employs the double slot formation and is based around the veer. The gun spread option is based around the zone read and shovel option plays. Please add anythings else...
What are the pros and cons to each gun option system?
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Post by airman on Jan 17, 2006 21:31:33 GMT -6
What are the major differences between the DeMeo gun option materials and the more commonly discussed gun spread option made popular by Urban Meyer and a host of other coaches. In as far as I have read so far the DeMeo scheme (for lack of a better phrase) employs the double slot formation and is based around the veer. The gun spread option is based around the zone read and shovel option plays. Please add anythings else... What are the pros and cons to each gun option system? demeo has wide splits in the book I have. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 17, 2006 21:34:58 GMT -6
Let's talk about everything but the splits he uses. I am not a big fan of those.
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Post by airman on Jan 17, 2006 21:37:59 GMT -6
Let's talk about everything but the splits he uses. I am not a big fan of those. he says that is what makes it work. |
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Post by tog on Jan 17, 2006 21:52:14 GMT -6
i am with chuck on this one
i like demeo style triples
just with wider guys and jet motion instead of the traditional orbit/whirly/rocket motion
the advantages to me would be
someone hitting downhill right now
being able to carry it over to an under center package that has the same blocking up front
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 10:20:11 GMT -6
jockeying splits based on defensive alignment has one major flaw
defenses move
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Post by smalls on Jan 18, 2006 11:06:02 GMT -6
Here's a question on the splits:
If you widen out and the defense moves back in can the O-line (in 2 pt stance) readjust as long as the snap count hasn't started?
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 11:16:17 GMT -6
they can
it's just that it can turn into an accordian
back and forth
back and forth
until the play clock runs out
rather not mess with it
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 18, 2006 11:24:30 GMT -6
That is a great question and one of the first things that I thought about. BUt like TOG says it could turn into an acordian with guys moving back and forth. And really then the offense is at a disadvantage b/c they cannot snap the ball while OL is moving so the defense could always have the last move.
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Post by smalls on Jan 18, 2006 11:35:28 GMT -6
another thing that I was thinking was that if I was that O-lineman and a DT jumped into my inside gap like that the first thing i would do would be to cut him. If I can cut him then the tackle has a free release to the MLB. As long as the RB adjusts his path, the play is still effective.
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 11:37:26 GMT -6
I know one of the better 4A schools in Minnesota who runs veer will widen splits or close splits according to the defense. They read everything on the veer and they have outstanding coaches in the box to see what the defense is going with alignment, stems, slants etc. and they will run inside or outside veer according to what your trying to do with the stems. Their QB's do a great job of reading the proper give keys as well to avoid any major blowups in the backfield.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 18, 2006 11:45:04 GMT -6
JD are you talking about DL? Yeah they are awesome at veer from splitbacks. They also tinker with the Ace formation a little now too. Ace trips and depending on how yuo adjust they run the veer or throw it.
But after you adjust your splits based on the initial alignment of the D wouldn't it makes sense just to stay put and then train the QB to see where the crease is and attack it instead of re-jockying the splits?
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 12:39:41 GMT -6
a few years back vs cambridge I bet the strongside guard had a 4 to 5 foot split as the game went on vs the 50 defense. Once cambridge tried to slant inside DL would hit the OV and would be off to the races.
They have been running spread gun for a good 5-6 years. They can throw the ball if needed.
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Post by airman on Jan 18, 2006 13:21:48 GMT -6
a few years back vs cambridge I bet the strongside guard had a 4 to 5 foot split as the game went on vs the 50 defense. Once cambridge tried to slant inside DL would hit the OV and would be off to the races. They have been running spread gun for a good 5-6 years. They can throw the ball if needed. there was a team from minnesota which sent me film. detriot lakes. the were a veer team and they had huge splits. is that the team? |
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 13:33:02 GMT -6
adjusting splits to the play is not really what is happening here though jd
demeo talks about adjusting splits based on where the dl are lined up
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 14:16:47 GMT -6
yes, its Detroit Lakes, and they adjust their splits according to the defense. Vs. a 40 defense the OT may take a bigger split while the guard may stay normal. Its all based on the the front and then they run the play according to alignment of the defense.
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 14:21:29 GMT -6
are they two point?
maybe I am not communicating it well?
chuck?
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 14:41:18 GMT -6
no they are 3 point stance. What they used to do (havn't seen them play for a couple of years.) they would run up to the LOS and do the Dallas Cowboy thingy with the OL when the QB says set. while they are going upright and down into their 3 point stance they adjust their splits according to the defense alignment.
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 14:44:47 GMT -6
ok
it is something like whate demeo does
his is like that but another level of moving around
ol in 2 point
adjust to defense
still don't see why a defense can't just move around and negate that advantage if they are smart
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 14:51:30 GMT -6
I would expect the defense to toy around with stems etc.. as well. I've watched all the DeMeo tapes and understand what he does with his splits.. My point is this one team has a terrific system to see what teams are trying to do to them, and with the coaches in the box and a a smart QB who can check in and out of 3-4 different option plays, for the most part they will find a way to attack the defense vs. stems.
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Post by tog on Jan 18, 2006 14:55:08 GMT -6
the old cat and mouse deal
shoulda known you have seen all the demeo stuff
your tape is on the way brotha
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Post by coachjd on Jan 18, 2006 15:05:18 GMT -6
now as I re-read the subject title, I think it would be harder for the qb to make the reads and have a wide variety of options to choose from in the gun with the stemming of the DL.
The one thing I will always remember about the veer. I went to my first clinic ever at North Dakota State when they were winning the Div II national title every other year running the veer. One of there Off coaches says, "we don't need a home run on every play, we are just asking for 3-4 yards" then he showed the film clips and I never seen a team just physically kick the crud out of another team like they did running the veer. They would beat teams up so bad, by the 3rd quarter every play was 10-15 yards. It was amazing.
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