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Post by boblucy on Dec 3, 2005 9:22:06 GMT -6
Two great coaches that have been lost in time are Bernie Bierman of Minnesota and General Bob Neyland of Tennessee. Bierman was Bud Wilkinson's coach at Minnesota and was 146-62 as a head coach. At Minnesota, he won FIVE National Titles and 6 Big Ten Titles. His final season was 1950. Bierman died in 1977. Bob Neyland gave UT's stadium it's name-Neyland Stadium. But, many people don't know the extent of his real greatness. Neyland coached the Volunteers to the 1951 National Title and was 173-31 in 21 years!!! Amazing numbers for a man whose career was interupped by military service 3 different times including service in WWII as an aide to Gen. Douglas MacArthur. He died in 1962. Both men were avid fundamentalists(blocking, tackling, ball handling) who played ball control football with a real strength in special teams and defense. These two lost giants were all about teaching in practice, game preparation and making game adjustments, not screaming and yelling at players and officials............
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 3, 2005 9:29:37 GMT -6
I know i havent forgotten Neyland. I still watch video from Neyland. He recently released a book if im not mistaken. Bierman I am not familiar with.
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Post by los on Dec 3, 2005 19:12:50 GMT -6
Lets think of some more Bob! Don't know the stats Bob, but your the football jeapardy champion, see if you can find them! Shug Jordan(Auburn)
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Post by boblucy on Dec 3, 2005 21:53:25 GMT -6
In 70 years, people will only know Bob Stoops and Pete Carroll and Steve Spurrier as "great coaches". Nothing more. Most people in my age demographic(27)hardly even know who Woody Hayes, Bear Bryant and Bud Wilkinson are. Never mind Frank Leahy(4 National Titles)!!! In the year 2060, it will be "Urban who?" I'm serious. I mean, right now, if I went out and asked 100 high school football players(16, 17 and 18 year olds)who is Tom Osborne, they'd say "a football coach?". Nothing more.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 3, 2005 22:05:54 GMT -6
I'm serious. I mean, right now, if I went out and asked 100 high school football players(16, 17 and 18 year olds)who is Tom Osborne, they'd say "a football coach?". Nothing more. Tom Osbourne story: A guy I know from another board went with his coaching staff to NU about 15 years ago or so to learn the option. They spent 3 days at NU with Osborne's staff soaking up everything they could about the triple option. Osborne was there all three days, but never really talked Xs and Os. Instead, he spent his time getting sandwiches, snacks, and drinks for all of the high school coaches who were there. Finally, on the last day, Osborne comes up to this guy and says, "Hey, Coach, did you guys learn alot?" This guy says, "Yeah, we sure did, Coach Osborne. We feel really good about running the option now. Thanks for having us". Then, Osborne says, "Coach, I've got some advice for you. Listen closely". So, this guy and his other coaches really lean in. I mean, a Hall of Fame coach is about to let them in on a great secret, right? Osborne says, "Coach, Xs and Os are overrated...Get yourself better players" and then walks away. That is classic! So simple, but dead-on accurate. |
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Post by wildcat on Dec 3, 2005 22:12:49 GMT -6
A coach who I always thought was hugely underrated and seems to be less recognizeable as the years go by is Chuck Noll.
All the guy did was coach 4 teams to Super Bowl wins and helped countless guys develop into Hall of Fame players.
In fact, Noll is my all-time favorite NFL coach. Bill Cowher is a close second.
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 4, 2005 7:27:39 GMT -6
Noll and Cowher- great coaches. period.
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Post by boblucy on Dec 4, 2005 12:21:54 GMT -6
I disagree, respectively ofcourse. Here's my case. Noll went 12 seasons after beating the Rams in SB 14 and only made ONE AFC Title game appearance-not good. The Rooney's grace peroid was too much. If ever there was a case of the talent doing the winning, it was Pittsburgh in the 70's. George Seifert in his 8 years as 49ers coach won 2 SB's, and went to the NFC Conference Title game 5 times in 8 years! In 1994 they won the SB and after his injury-plagued team was beaten by the eventual SB Champ Packers in the divisional playoffs in 1996, he was fired!! Noll lived in a world where his 4 Championships were enough to last 30 years without any other accomplishments! Noll ofcourse was an very good coach, but not even in the top 5 all-time even with his 4 Titles. Cowher is another "lifer" with the Steelers. After AFC HOME championship game losses(meaning they were upset)after the 1994, 1997, 2001 and 2004 seasons he would be gone most places. After the 1997 season, they went 3 non-playoff seasons and was not fired! Then in 2001, they lost to the Patriots(the worst team to ever win a SB) at home in the title game! Then, last season, was the worst! They got POUNDED at home by a Patriot team missing their 2 best defensive players(Ty Law, Richard Seymour). I do believe he is a good coach, he is a consistent winner, but Pittsburgh seems to be place where just making the AFC Title game is good enough.
I can't believe there are no books about Noll, thats very strange.........
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Post by los on Dec 4, 2005 13:48:51 GMT -6
Here's a good one Bob. Bob"Bull" Sullivan coached football at east miss. community college(Scooba, Miss.) Designed his own team jersey and sophisticated passing attack back in the early 60's I think! Can't remember his record and stuff but his schemes were waaayy ahead of the times!
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 4, 2005 15:10:10 GMT -6
Two great coaches that have been lost in time are Bernie Bierman of Minnesota and General Bob Neyland of Tennessee. Bierman was Bud Wilkinson's coach at Minnesota and was 146-62 as a head coach. At Minnesota, he won FIVE National Titles and 6 Big Ten Titles. His final season was 1950. Bierman died in 1977. Bob Neyland gave UT's stadium it's name-Neyland Stadium. But, many people don't know the extent of his real greatness. Neyland coached the Volunteers to the 1951 National Title and was 173-31 in 21 years!!! Amazing numbers for a man whose career was interupped by military service 3 different times including service in WWII as an aide to Gen. Douglas MacArthur. He died in 1962. Both men were avid fundamentalists(blocking, tackling, ball handling) who played ball control football with a real strength in special teams and defense. These two lost giants were all about teaching in practice, game preparation and making game adjustments, not screaming and yelling at players and officials............ Bob, I am a Gophers fan but I can only recall two national titles in the 40's, when did they win the other ones? |
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Post by ogie4 on Dec 4, 2005 15:15:37 GMT -6
Earle Solomonson was a great coach that is forgotten from his glory days at North Dakota State and Montana State, we won just about every team, and personal award given at the DII and DI-AA level, The guy at Mount Union D-III, Larry Kelhour(?) (not sure about the spelling or last name) another forgotten great.
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Post by boblucy on Dec 4, 2005 16:01:38 GMT -6
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Post by coachcalande on Dec 5, 2005 16:34:46 GMT -6
marty schottenheimer is a good coach too....and so is Shannahan...those guys are very good coaches.
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Post by wildcat on Dec 5, 2005 17:17:53 GMT -6
I disagree, respectively ofcourse. Here's my case. Noll went 12 seasons after beating the Rams in SB 14 and only made ONE AFC Title game appearance-not good. The Rooney's grace peroid was too much. If ever there was a case of the talent doing the winning, it was Pittsburgh in the 70's. George Seifert in his 8 years as 49ers coach won 2 SB's, and went to the NFC Conference Title game 5 times in 8 years! In 1994 they won the SB and after his injury-plagued team was beaten by the eventual SB Champ Packers in the divisional playoffs in 1996, he was fired!! Noll lived in a world where his 4 Championships were enough to last 30 years without any other accomplishments! Noll ofcourse was an very good coach, but not even in the top 5 all-time even with his 4 Titles. Cowher is another "lifer" with the Steelers. After AFC HOME championship game losses(meaning they were upset)after the 1994, 1997, 2001 and 2004 seasons he would be gone most places. After the 1997 season, they went 3 non-playoff seasons and was not fired! Then in 2001, they lost to the Patriots(the worst team to ever win a SB) at home in the title game! Then, last season, was the worst! They got POUNDED at home by a Patriot team missing their 2 best defensive players(Ty Law, Richard Seymour). I do believe he is a good coach, he is a consistent winner, but Pittsburgh seems to be place where just making the AFC Title game is good enough. I can't believe there are no books about Noll, thats very strange......... boblucy - Stop confusing this thread with facts!  In all honesty, what you just posted was what was being said about Noll in the mid-to-late 1980s, basically that he lost it and wasn't a good coach anymore but the Rooneys wouldn't fire him because it would have been a public relations nightmare. Noll probably should have walked away 10 years before he did. You can also make the same argument about Don Shula. |
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