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Post by 3rdandlong on Dec 12, 2016 17:55:13 GMT -6
Are these salaries for football coaching only or is this in addition to their teaching salaries? If coaching only, what do these guys do all day during the off-season? I'm asking this out of sheer curiosity and I do believe that coaches should be compensated accordingly unlike in Southern California where a head coach MIGHT make a 5k stipend. www.star-telegram.com/news/special-reports/article97411927.html
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Post by donk3y on Dec 12, 2016 18:24:40 GMT -6
Head coaches in Texas are part of the administration team. In most cases they are Athletic Coordinators or Athletic Directors.
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Post by dijackson08 on Dec 12, 2016 18:31:08 GMT -6
It's in addition to being the athletic director, but bigger schools usually allow the AD to also hire a girls coordinator also. Our DC is our Girls Coordinator (Girls AD) and our OC is our academic coordinator/strength training coordinator. He tracks all grades and designs all exercise programs for every sport. Those 3 don't teach class. The rest of us teach 2 athletic periods and 5 periods of either SPED, PE, ISS, or History.
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Post by dytmook on Dec 12, 2016 18:33:52 GMT -6
I would say must be nice, but you can get run out real quick from my understanding so there is a give and take.
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Post by PSS on Dec 12, 2016 19:48:51 GMT -6
I would say must be nice, but you can get run out real quick from my understanding so there is a give and take. That for the most part is true. Also remember these are 12 month contracts because they are admin contracts. Teachers/coaches get 10 month contracts and are paid over 12 months. But we all work 12 months a year, sometimes with no compensation.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Dec 12, 2016 20:06:03 GMT -6
I see the positives and the negatives. The obvious positive is being paid what your worth. The negative is job security. Do some of these guys have multi-year contracts like college coaches?
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Post by dytmook on Dec 12, 2016 22:11:50 GMT -6
I would say must be nice, but you can get run out real quick from my understanding so there is a give and take. That for the most part is true. Also remember these are 12 month contracts because they are admin contracts. Teachers/coaches get 10 month contracts and are paid over 12 months. But we all work 12 months a year, sometimes with no compensation. 6 figures for a 12 month job still isn't shabby. I just can't imagine that all those guys are better than the guy in Iowa doing it for half that. But hey good for them. I certainly respect the ability to get what the market bears.
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Post by dijackson08 on Dec 13, 2016 6:11:50 GMT -6
That for the most part is true. Also remember these are 12 month contracts because they are admin contracts. Teachers/coaches get 10 month contracts and are paid over 12 months. But we all work 12 months a year, sometimes with no compensation. 6 figures for a 12 month job still isn't shabby. I just can't imagine that all those guys are better than the guy in Iowa doing it for half that. But hey good for them. I certainly respect the ability to get what the market bears. Not to mention you don't just go and get one of those jobs easily assistants start off making as low as mid to high $30's coaching 3 sports, driving a bus, and teaching a full load in small towns. It takes years to work your way up to one of those big dollar jobs. A lot of guys are half-way through their career or towards the end by the time they get there. I know there's exceptions sometimes, but I still know a lot of good coaches in their late 30's to early 40's that still haven't even got a crack at a coordinator or head coach job.
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 13, 2016 7:22:56 GMT -6
most of those guys, my guess is, you have 2-3 seasons to get it figured out. if not, your looking for a new job. but, in 2-3 seasons at 100k, you just made more than i did in 5-6 seasons. im sure the pressure is intense, but even at the school I was just the HC at(won 6 games in 3 years) there was pressure there too. changing the culture, trying to turn the under 6ft squad into something better, getting kids into school, etc, etc, sure would like a chance to see what it was like to be compensated for the time spent doing the job.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 7:32:15 GMT -6
6 figures for a 12 month job still isn't shabby. I just can't imagine that all those guys are better than the guy in Iowa doing it for half that. But hey good for them. I certainly respect the ability to get what the market bears. Not to mention you don't just go and get one of those jobs easily assistants start off making as low as mid to high $30's coaching 3 sports, driving a bus, and teaching a full load in small towns. It takes years to work your way up to one of those big dollar jobs. A lot of guys are half-way through their career or towards the end by the time they get there. I know there's exceptions sometimes, but I still know a lot of good coaches in their late 30's to early 40's that still haven't even got a crack at a coordinator or head coach job. That's a good point. There are actually a few smaller districts that pay assistants better than those larger districts plus have better benefits. I remember some coaches on here discussing the work schedule that was posted a while back of a Texas High School Staff. Now some of you realize why the majority work such long hours. Imagine this, it takes 15 games to get to the state title game. That's 15 weeks plus a bye week, at least one scrimmage. Practice this year started on August 1st for most of the state. Not only are you working during the season but every assistant has at least another sport to coach, sometimes two, plus still work offseason. Then we have 6 weeks of summer strength and conditioning. It's a year round job.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 7:35:54 GMT -6
most of those guys, my guess is, you have 2-3 seasons to get it figured out. if not, your looking for a new job. but, in 2-3 seasons at 100k, you just made more than i did in 5-6 seasons. im sure the pressure is intense, but even at the school I was just the HC at(won 6 games in 3 years) there was pressure there too. changing the culture, trying to turn the under 6ft squad into something better, getting kids into school, etc, etc, sure would like a chance to see what it was like to be compensated for the time spent doing the job. Getting a HC'ing job in Texas is very difficult and competitive. Often there are over 100 applicants for every HC job. Also remember that at the larger districts they require a masters degree with admin certification. That weeds out quite a few.
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 13, 2016 7:47:45 GMT -6
most of those guys, my guess is, you have 2-3 seasons to get it figured out. if not, your looking for a new job. but, in 2-3 seasons at 100k, you just made more than i did in 5-6 seasons. im sure the pressure is intense, but even at the school I was just the HC at(won 6 games in 3 years) there was pressure there too. changing the culture, trying to turn the under 6ft squad into something better, getting kids into school, etc, etc, sure would like a chance to see what it was like to be compensated for the time spent doing the job. Getting a HC'ing job in Texas is very difficult and competitive. Often there are over 100 applicants for every HC job. Also remember that at the larger districts they require a masters degree with admin certification. That weeds out quite a few. oh im sure its pretty competitive. and the admin thing is similar to what they do in floridas panhandle. get alot of good coaches there, but they spend 2, 3 years and leave. normally. local school here(in florida) went 1-9 this fall. had over 130 applicants. so I hear you on the difficulties and competitivness. head coach pay is awful in the whole state. other than those I said that coach in some areas of the panhandle that get admin pay, its between 2-6k TOPS in the state. which is unbelievable.... i moved 1x and came back, just because i missed the warm fla sun, lol....nothing like beaches, beers, bikinis for 10 months a year. oh and the football is pretty dam good too.
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 13, 2016 7:53:26 GMT -6
Not to mention you don't just go and get one of those jobs easily assistants start off making as low as mid to high $30's coaching 3 sports, driving a bus, and teaching a full load in small towns. It takes years to work your way up to one of those big dollar jobs. A lot of guys are half-way through their career or towards the end by the time they get there. I know there's exceptions sometimes, but I still know a lot of good coaches in their late 30's to early 40's that still haven't even got a crack at a coordinator or head coach job. That's a good point. There are actually a few smaller districts that pay assistants better than those larger districts plus have better benefits. I remember some coaches on here discussing the work schedule that was posted a while back of a Texas High School Staff. Now some of you realize why the majority work such long hours. Imagine this, it takes 15 games to get to the state title game. That's 15 weeks plus a bye week, at least one scrimmage. Practice this year started on August 1st for most of the state. Not only are you working during the season but every assistant has at least another sport to coach, sometimes two, plus still work offseason. Then we have 6 weeks of summer strength and conditioning. It's a year round job. isnt it like that everywhere? only time we take off is after the playoffs to the new year. start january as soon as we get back to school. will work jan-april, take fridays and 1 week for spring break off. may is spring football take memorial til end of school off(about 7 days in reality) june, july 4 days a week with 1 week off for the 4th of july(unless its saturday then its thurs monday off) aug 1 starts fall camp. i wouldnt or couldnt imagine it any other way, if you want to be a playoff team.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 8:34:03 GMT -6
Believe it or not there are coaches on here who don't see it that way. If I'm not mistaken, most states are done with their state games. Texas' state games are this week.
Also, unless you're a coordinator you're coaching a second sport. Where I'm at our coordinators actually coach a second sport. There is no Spring Break, track meets and BsBall games. Also in Texas there are no volunteer coaches so we all teach classes. On our staff it ranges from English to History to Math. You're a teacher first, coach second. Job security as an assistant relies on your teaching. Being a right to work state with no unions you have to work in most districts 2-3 years before you get off of a probationary contract.
It's been my experience that the smaller to medium size districts in Texas are the best to work at. Better support from the admin and community. If you find the right one you can make as much or more than woking in a larger district. The key is to finding the right HC. I work for one of the best in terms of taking care of his coaches and the players.
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Post by fantom on Dec 13, 2016 9:02:27 GMT -6
Believe it or not there are coaches on here who don't see it that way. If I'm not mistaken, most states are done with their state games. Texas' state games are this week. Also, unless you're a coordinator you're coaching a second sport. Where I'm at our coordinators actually coach a second sport. There is no Spring Break, track meets and BsBall games. Also in Texas there are no volunteer coaches so we all teach classes. On our staff it ranges from English to History to Math. You're a teacher first, coach second. Job security as an assistant relies on your teaching. Being a right to work state with no unions you have to work in most districts 2-3 years before you get off of a probationary contract. It's been my experience that the smaller to medium size districts in Texas are the best to work at. Better support from the admin and community. If you find the right one you can make as much or more than woking in a larger district. The key is to finding the right HC. I work for one of the best in terms of taking care of his coaches and the players. In Virginia we just had our state championships. The state championship also requires 15 games, but keep in mind that only two teams per classification get that far And only four play 14, eight play 13, etc.). Teacher/coaches here are also teachers first and volunteers have real jobs, too. We're not required to coach a second sport but some do and those who don't are required to be in the weight room (No weights PE or athletic period). Volunteer coaches may not participate because they need to make up for money that they'd lost by giving up time to coach in-season. Coaches here get fired. The guy who my boss replaced did, as did the guy who he replaced. I'll concede that fired coaches don't lose their teaching jobs, which makes a huge difference, but mostly they don't stick around. The point is that, sure coaching in Texas is tough but it's tough everywhere.
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 13, 2016 9:18:42 GMT -6
in florida they did away with continuing contracts for some odd reason everyone voted on letting their teaching speak for themselves. which i have no issue with, except unless you currently have a CC, you can never get one again(until someone changes it, again). also if you have a CC, and move counties, you lose it and go back to annual contract. lost mine when I left a county to go be a HC. worked for a great AD and then principal got moved. his replacement, was awesome. 2 years later they wouldnt give the pay raise he deserved(took a chit school academically and made us respectable). he left and AD retired.....wheres that going----new guys come in and Im 88 out the gate! lol
its tough everywhere for sure. cant imagine it getting any easier either....
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Post by dytmook on Dec 13, 2016 13:39:36 GMT -6
Not to mention you don't just go and get one of those jobs easily assistants start off making as low as mid to high $30's coaching 3 sports, driving a bus, and teaching a full load in small towns. It takes years to work your way up to one of those big dollar jobs. A lot of guys are half-way through their career or towards the end by the time they get there. I know there's exceptions sometimes, but I still know a lot of good coaches in their late 30's to early 40's that still haven't even got a crack at a coordinator or head coach job. That's a good point. There are actually a few smaller districts that pay assistants better than those larger districts plus have better benefits. I remember some coaches on here discussing the work schedule that was posted a while back of a Texas High School Staff. Now some of you realize why the majority work such long hours. Imagine this, it takes 15 games to get to the state title game. That's 15 weeks plus a bye week, at least one scrimmage. Practice this year started on August 1st for most of the state. Not only are you working during the season but every assistant has at least another sport to coach, sometimes two, plus still work offseason. Then we have 6 weeks of summer strength and conditioning. It's a year round job. I just don't see a big difference in what our guys do who work in schools. We have a 2 guys who coach track, 1 guy does volleyball, 1 guy helps with wrestling, and 2 guys handle the weight room since we started lifting again recently. Not to mention meeting to figure out next year and such.
Great for those dudes to have those careers. I hope the pressure is worth it.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 13, 2016 13:53:04 GMT -6
I think their starting teaching salaries are pretty impressive. I am in my 13th year teaching in Florida with a masters and my contract is only in the mid 40's.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 13:55:08 GMT -6
Is volleyball season at the same time as football? Or is this boys' volleyball?
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Post by dytmook on Dec 13, 2016 14:04:26 GMT -6
Boys volleyball, it's spring
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Post by coachluey on Dec 13, 2016 14:25:26 GMT -6
As a Jr. High assistant I made in the 50s, I moved and took a pay cut to get a varsity spot in the 40s.
Texas HS football is competitive, but there is a lot outside of football that goes with it. I teach at the very least 5 classes a year plus two athletic periods. Coach 3 sports and run the weightroom. Time is precious but thats how I like it. I hate to say it but I most likely wouldnt coach in any other state due to yalls situations as far as the system goes. I know I'm a homer but there's just no better place than Texas as far as coaching goes from what I've seen. Now if our state legislatures would just get out of the education business we could go a lot further but that is everywhere.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 14:28:29 GMT -6
Boys volleyball, it's spring That's a new one for me. Of course wrestling hasn't been a UIL sport for too long and I'll go out on a limb and say that less than 1/2 the schools in the state participate. Those that don't power lift, which isn't UIL sanctioned.
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Post by dijackson08 on Dec 13, 2016 14:55:13 GMT -6
That's a good point. There are actually a few smaller districts that pay assistants better than those larger districts plus have better benefits. I remember some coaches on here discussing the work schedule that was posted a while back of a Texas High School Staff. Now some of you realize why the majority work such long hours. Imagine this, it takes 15 games to get to the state title game. That's 15 weeks plus a bye week, at least one scrimmage. Practice this year started on August 1st for most of the state. Not only are you working during the season but every assistant has at least another sport to coach, sometimes two, plus still work offseason. Then we have 6 weeks of summer strength and conditioning. It's a year round job. I just don't see a big difference in what our guys do who work in schools. We have a 2 guys who coach track, 1 guy does volleyball, 1 guy helps with wrestling, and 2 guys handle the weight room since we started lifting again recently. Not to mention meeting to figure out next year and such.
Great for those dudes to have those careers. I hope the pressure is worth it.
I agree I did 5 years in Louisiana prior to moving to Texas. I worked just as much in Louisiana. The only difference is that we have JV/FR games on Thursday which sucks, and in Louisiana you couldn't lose your teaching job because you don't win enough games, and it was way harder to hire assistants in Louisiana. It was hard to get them teaching spots and very hard to get quality coaches. In Texas most schools have teaching slots tied to coaching. In Louisiana if they found a teacher before you found a coach you lost that spot.
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Post by PSS on Dec 13, 2016 14:59:04 GMT -6
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Post by olinedude on Dec 13, 2016 15:32:37 GMT -6
The part that would suck the most about those big money HC jobs is the nights during the week where you are admin on duty. During football you have to be there for all the thursday night sub varsity games, if you have no girls coordinator you have to be there for monday/tuesday night volleyball games, and once the basketball season starts you have to be there for those. During basketball season all through the winter you are admin on duty for those, then track meets, baseball games, wrestling tournaments, soccer games, and anything else you have. You have to be there for booster club meetings, and you are basically there for any of the other sports activities on campus. That, plus you don't get a real summer break,and I'm saying no thanks.
To me, I'll find a nice coordinator gig with no second sport and a nice teaching set up, and ride that until a HC job pops up that I can't say no too.
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 14, 2016 7:05:46 GMT -6
good lord, does everyone in katy isd make 100k or what? wow. alot of oil being passed around there, im sure. lol
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Post by mnike23 on Dec 14, 2016 7:11:20 GMT -6
The part that would suck the most about those big money HC jobs is the nights during the week where you are admin on duty. During football you have to be there for all the thursday night sub varsity games, if you have no girls coordinator you have to be there for monday/tuesday night volleyball games, and once the basketball season starts you have to be there for those. During basketball season all through the winter you are admin on duty for those, then track meets, baseball games, wrestling tournaments, soccer games, and anything else you have. You have to be there for booster club meetings, and you are basically there for any of the other sports activities on campus. That, plus you don't get a real summer break,and I'm saying no thanks. To me, I'll find a nice coordinator gig with no second sport and a nice teaching set up, and ride that until a HC job pops up that I can't say no too. and thats part of the reason they get paid 100k plus. not going to pay you 100k just for a 11 week regular season and 4 games in the playoffs. now im sure thats the majority of it, but there has to be some things coming back to the school to show why they are paying you that much. i dont know of many states other than texas that pay coordinators anything significant. Ive been a coordinator in 3 states and didnt get a thing extra than the guy that coached 9th grade ball for a 6 week season.... right now I make more than the head coach, as this is his 1st year in that pay grade and this is my 16th year at the highest step. now thats some EFFED up chit....
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Post by PSS on Dec 14, 2016 7:19:55 GMT -6
Also know that the majority of districts in Texas pay on a salary scale. Teachers have one, Admins have a different one. The local school board sets how much above the state base they will pay, then each year of experience adds more to the salary. The more experience you have the higher your salary. I know some of the guys making over $100,000 and they have been coaching for 30+ years. They haven't been making that type of money for 30 years but the number of years of experience has bumped their salary.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 14, 2016 16:30:00 GMT -6
The part that would suck the most about those big money HC jobs is the nights during the week where you are admin on duty. During football you have to be there for all the thursday night sub varsity games, if you have no girls coordinator you have to be there for monday/tuesday night volleyball games, and once the basketball season starts you have to be there for those. During basketball season all through the winter you are admin on duty for those, then track meets, baseball games, wrestling tournaments, soccer games, and anything else you have. You have to be there for booster club meetings, and you are basically there for any of the other sports activities on campus. That, plus you don't get a real summer break,and I'm saying no thanks. To me, I'll find a nice coordinator gig with no second sport and a nice teaching set up, and ride that until a HC job pops up that I can't say no too. Yup, people think that AD positions are easy but they're a PITA. And it's not just the time you put into it outside of the school day: you're stuck dealing with a mess of bureaucracy.
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Post by 60zgo on Dec 14, 2016 21:05:32 GMT -6
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