61
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Post by 61 on Feb 15, 2006 12:48:57 GMT -6
Anyone know a coach that says me, my, mine alot?
Does it bother you too?
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Post by coachjd on Feb 15, 2006 13:23:41 GMT -6
bothers the heck out of me.
Another one is "I"
Our head coach for the most part treats us as partners or associates, not assistants. when he speaks at clinics, or to parents, the players, etc... it is always us, we, etc....
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Post by brophy on Feb 15, 2006 13:56:41 GMT -6
bothers me.....it should be "us" and "ours"....but different strokes, I guess - you ain't freakin' Patton, here
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smalls
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Post by smalls on Feb 15, 2006 14:03:19 GMT -6
I woked with a head coach once who broke out "because I said so" whenever he was losing an argument.
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Post by blb on Feb 15, 2006 14:55:33 GMT -6
Bothers me because it's disrespectful to kids, fellow coaches, program and school. But, I've noticed that guys that talk like that don't win all that much, either.
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Post by tigerone on Feb 15, 2006 14:58:03 GMT -6
It is MY system, WE run it. WE coach it, WE work together jointly. I quit doing interviews in large part years ago and INSIST THAT THE MEDIA INTERVIEW OUR COACHES AND OUR PLAYERS
AS THEY DESERVE IT. I built my reputation a long time ago and have no desire to do anything but what I do. But, I will always say it is MY system as I alone built it. I don't feel it is false pride to say that. If that offends anyone, please accept my apology as that certainly not how it is intended.
Coach Easton
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 15, 2006 14:59:09 GMT -6
Ditto.
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Post by tog on Feb 15, 2006 15:00:10 GMT -6
Tiger, I don't think this was directed at anyone in particular.
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Post by knighter on Feb 15, 2006 15:58:44 GMT -6
i habitually say I, me, mine, but in cases where guys are only talking to me...in terms of program I talk we, ours, us. Make sense?
example: What offense do you run Knighter? I run the doublewing. (not trying to disrespect staff or players, but question is directed at me....maybe I am wrong)
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Post by phantom on Feb 15, 2006 16:04:21 GMT -6
I woked with a head coach once who broke out "because I said so" whenever he was losing an argument. Head coaches don't lose arguments. |
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Post by saintrad on Feb 15, 2006 17:20:18 GMT -6
ahhhh that would be the new coaching staff at Gallup High. They dont care about the kids, just looking good.
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 15, 2006 17:29:18 GMT -6
I strongly believe that as a head coach it has to be "we", both in how responsibilities are delegated and how the program is referred to. In the past, I clearly remember using "we" repeatedly during job interviews. It is not about "me", it is all about 1) the program, 2) the players and finally, 3) the coaching STAFF, not just HC.
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Post by outlawzheadcoach on Feb 15, 2006 19:59:01 GMT -6
I agree that as a head coach it has to be we, but when the {censored} hits the fan it is "I" that gets the heat if there is any heat to be gotten and then "we" get what rolls down hill.... lol, but seriously it has to be a family/team concept.
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Post by runtheball86 on Feb 15, 2006 21:26:15 GMT -6
Tell 'em, Outlaw ... but beyond that SOMEONE has to be accountable and that is ME - that is why I am the Head Coach ....
I look at it this way, credit is WE, responsibility (read as "blame" if you want) is ME.
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Post by coachnorm on Feb 16, 2006 8:33:44 GMT -6
A coach far wiser than me once said "The key word is we after a win and I after a loss."
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Post by brophy on Feb 16, 2006 8:38:03 GMT -6
I think WE are losing sight of what the poster meant when he refers to the egocentric coach.... i.e.; the coach that tells the kids they should do stuff because of WHO the coach is (legend in own mind) "Kids should be like this coach" "MY kids played well...." "I lead these kids to victory...." etc I woked with a head coach once who broke out "because I said so" whenever he was losing an argument. YOU worked with this guy, too?
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Post by airman on Feb 16, 2006 9:40:27 GMT -6
I woked with a head coach once who broke out "because I said so" whenever he was losing an argument. the head coach is the head coach. one should not get in argument with the head coach. you are the assistant. I do not care how bad or how stupid the head coach is, you do it his way. you may grumble under your breath but you do it. why, because your ass is not on the line, his is. very few assistants get fired but head coaches do. to me getting in a argument with the head coach shows lack of respect and loyality. I had a head coach tell me as a very young coach, if you do not want to do it my way, there are other schools which I could coach at. at the time I was offended by it, but I understand it now. |
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smalls
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Post by smalls on Feb 17, 2006 8:13:48 GMT -6
I probably didn't word that correctly. It wasn't an argument as much as it was a discussion during the springtime on the way home from a clinic. I can't exactly remember what I was trying to convince him of but out of nowhere he blurts out "because I said so!" to end the discussion. Maybe its not that bad, but I really don't like this guy so it seemed worse. He also would walk in front of the team onto the field holding the gameball. Not to mention this year we coached different teams and after we beat them he did not shake my hand. Needless to say, he's not my favorite person in the world.
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Post by saintrad on Feb 17, 2006 8:28:09 GMT -6
sometimes it is the responsibility of an assistant to "conduct aggressive discussions with the head coach" IF they are starting to lose sight of their purpose...the kids. I see the assistants as the players advocats and when a HC starts screaming and yelling at a player because the player has to attend a family function (a funeral in this case) and the HC loses it, then yes I will step in.
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Post by tigerone on Feb 17, 2006 10:20:05 GMT -6
Tog,
I did not take the poster to mean it was directed at anyone in particular and have enjoyed the thread. If we all thought alike, it would be a dull planet at best. I am enjoying the board.
Coach Easton
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Post by tog on Feb 17, 2006 10:30:36 GMT -6
Good.
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Post by loucella1 on Feb 17, 2006 15:27:05 GMT -6
The job of an assistant is to make the head coach look good. Make the head coach look REAL GOOD, and you'll get your shot one day for some other guy to make YOU look good.
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scox80
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If quitters never win, and winners never quit. Who is the fool who said quit while your ahead?
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Post by scox80 on Feb 17, 2006 15:56:19 GMT -6
I disagree Loucella1...I think it is the Job of the head coach to Make the assistant look REAL GOOD! I think a good Head coach or leader for that matter will pawn off praise on to his staff and accept all responsibility of criticism. The head coach is the leader and if his assistants look good so does he. At least thats what I think.
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Post by phantom on Feb 17, 2006 18:18:42 GMT -6
I woked with a head coach once who broke out "because I said so" whenever he was losing an argument. the head coach is the head coach. one should not get in argument with the head coach. you are the assistant. I do not care how bad or how stupid the head coach is, you do it his way. you may grumble under your breath but you do it. why, because your ass is not on the line, his is. very few assistants get fired but head coaches do. to me getting in a argument with the head coach shows lack of respect and loyality. I had a head coach tell me as a very young coach, if you do not want to do it my way, there are other schools which I could coach at. at the time I was offended by it, but I understand it now. Assuming that we're talking about staff meetings, I couldn't disagree more. An assistant's job is to help make decisions that are best for the team. If he strongly disagrees with the HC, not only does he have the right to argue his point, he has a duty to do so. The HC does have the perogative of saying "..because I'm the Head Coach". Whether the argument ends that way or whatever way a decision is arrived at, once a decision is made, then you do have to check your ego and do it that way. Of course, it goes without saying that all of this is behind closed doors. If it doesn't go without saying, I just said it. |
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Post by tenthehardway on Feb 17, 2006 22:43:44 GMT -6
My first coaching job, I worked for a head coach who constantly talked about how "I have the top defense in the district" or "I beat that coach". Made me sick.
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Post by runtheball86 on Feb 18, 2006 7:43:40 GMT -6
Scox ... are you an assistant or HC now?
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Post by coachcalande on Feb 18, 2006 7:51:32 GMT -6
interesting debate on whos job it is to make whom look good...really, if you think about it, its EVERYONES JOB TO MAKE THE P-R-O-G-R-A-M LOOK GOOD...ITS "OUR" PROGRAM. ITS "THE SENIORS" PROGRAM, ITS THE "YOUTH LEAGUES PROGRAM...". NO ONE CAN DO IT ALONE. so, it takes continual defending of each member of the program...a you got my back and i got your back mentality...anyone talks bad about youi behind your back...leave. get out. if youre the boss and they are speaking ill of your efforts, discipline them or fire them if youd already tried that...loyalty is not a one way street...some say there is no room for egos, i disagree, egos are find, flex em if ya got em but give credit where its due and say "look what WE did"...everyone, including your equipment managers, pep squad, in school detention aide and stats folks get the credit. period.
no one bigger than the team, no team bigger than the program. no coach bigger than the staff, no staff bigger than the program...good stuff you guys.
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 19, 2006 12:07:46 GMT -6
Assuming that we're talking about staff meetings, I couldn't disagree more. An assistant's job is to help make decisions that are best for the team. If he strongly disagrees with the HC, not only does he have the right to argue his point, he has a duty to do so. The HC does have the perogative of saying "..because I'm the Head Coach". Whether the argument ends that way or whatever way a decision is arrived at, once a decision is made, then you do have to check your ego and do it that way. Of course, it goes without saying that all of this is behind closed doors. If it doesn't go without saying, I just said it. I agree with phantom. As he said, behind closed doors, this is the last thing you ever want your program to be like. Groupthink and a bunch of "yes" men is a surefire way to get worse and worse as time goes on. It's not to say you should be having wild arguments and things should be civil, but assistants should be willing to stand their ground and head coaches should be willing to give reasons why he disagrees and if he cannot, he should not be doing it his way. I recognize that many head coaches do not operate in this way, and if you are an assistant you might be making yourself look bad and butting your head against the wall, but chances are if this is how your head coach is he's not going to be trying to make you look good or help you get a HC job somewhere else either. The other good reason is for yourself. If you think you're so smart and have a better way of doing things, but all you do is "grumble under your breath" as airman said, you're never exposing YOUR opinions or ideas to group consideration, where the flaws might become obvious and get exposed. You can be the greatest genius ever in your own mind, in fact, it's kind of easier than actually putting yourself and your ideas on the line and practicing them and trying them out. |
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scox80
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If quitters never win, and winners never quit. Who is the fool who said quit while your ahead?
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Post by scox80 on Feb 20, 2006 20:24:44 GMT -6
Runtheball86
I am an assistant. Never want to be a head coach! My best friend is the head coach and we work perfectly in the situation we have!
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