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Post by splitricky5 on Jan 10, 2006 12:23:24 GMT -6
I tried searching the board and couldn't find what I was looking for, so I will just make a thread of my own. What do all of you linemen coaches think about stances. And more specifically, do you prefer everyone on the line to use the same "handed" stance, or would you rather the left side go with a left handed stance?
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jman
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Post by jman on Jan 10, 2006 12:34:57 GMT -6
Oline or Dline. What kind of offensive system are you running? Mostly pass...zone run...gap blocking...?
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Post by tog on Jan 10, 2006 13:44:20 GMT -6
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KW and I have talked about it a lot actually.
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scox80
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Post by scox80 on Jan 10, 2006 15:24:03 GMT -6
I personally do not care which hand they have down. I have heard a lot of people say that they should all use the hand down depending on what side they are on. I think it all boils down to how is the kid gonna get off the ball faster. If he is uncomfortable than he is not gonna get off the ball as fast as you want him to. And if you made him uncomfortable by telling him his left hand had to be down when he is in the left side of the line than YOU put him in the position to fail. Sure you could spend two weeks (maybe longer) getting him comfortable switching but last time I checked we didn't have all the time in the world.
Stance--I will tell you what we teach...i am sure there are many that work.
-Start with your feet together shoulder width apart.
-put your "arm down" foot back so that your toe is at least at the arch of your opposite foot. But no more than a heal to toe relation ship. If you are putting your right hand down your right foot will be back slightly so that your right toe is at the arch of your left foot.
-turn the heals of your feet out, so that your toes are slightly turned in ( maybe at a 35 degree angle ) think bowl legged (I'll explain why in the next line)
-bend your knees , get into a squat position, so that your but is ever so slightly above your knees, heels off the ground (stay on your toes), keep shoulders back chest out....naturally your feet will become straight again...had you not turned them in, your toes might be pointed out now
-rest your elbows just above your knees
-reach your "down arm" out as far as possible, keeping it close to the ground (so out not up) without changing your posture or position. Your hand should be no more than six inches off the ground
-fall onto your hand
-you can put the other hand where ever you want, we put ours with forearm rested on the knee and hand relaxed, no fists
I hope that helps. I have never explained it before without demonstrating.
Steve
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Post by tog on Jan 11, 2006 6:34:21 GMT -6
not everyone uses stagger
we end up like kw with our tackles in a two point
but if we ever went down in a 3point with them out of the gun, they would put "the comfortable hand" down and stay square with the feet, mainly for the pulls
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Post by coachcalande on Jan 11, 2006 7:10:12 GMT -6
Because we are heavy run, heavy down and gap blocking, and heavy pulling and trapping...we want a less staggered stance (toe to instep relationship) and a narrow stance and almost no weight on the down hand. Your stance should probably best fit the most common job of the linemen to give him the best chance for success. I do not care which hand is down either as long as we step with the proper foot and are quick and low off the ball.
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Post by splitricky5 on Jan 11, 2006 8:29:09 GMT -6
Thanks for the info guys. We are a power running team, and our coach was wanting info on whether using a different philosophy on stances would help with the play of our oline. Thanks.
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Post by tog on Jan 11, 2006 8:34:00 GMT -6
tog, When you put your tackles in a 2 point stance with a stagger your throwing the ball. So it is an obvious throwing down or situation? kw they are up for the run plays too |
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scox80
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Post by scox80 on Jan 11, 2006 14:53:31 GMT -6
Yeah I guess the stance we use wouldn't be as effective for the pass. We are a wing t team...only 22% of our 561 plays last year were passes
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Post by tog on Jan 11, 2006 20:07:17 GMT -6
we allow some slight stagger in 3, like tip of shoe to ball of foot is all I will let them get.
in 2 point it gets to about tip to instep
the thinking for the 2 point allowing more stagger is just to help get that outside foot a little farther back for our short sets on pass pro as we don't kick
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Post by tog on Jan 11, 2006 20:28:29 GMT -6
there is no tendency kw
we are up in the gun for pass or run
under center we are down
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Post by tog on Jan 11, 2006 20:46:12 GMT -6
nope
as we use the same 2 point stance for all the run plays we do in the gun as well
there is no run or pass tendency since every time we are in gun, run or pass, we are two point with the tackles
there is no tendency with the under center stuff either, as every time we are under center run or pass we are 3 point
the staggers between 2pt and 3pt are a tad different but they remain consistent for the formation we are in
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Post by los on Jan 11, 2006 21:11:54 GMT -6
Hey kw, I noticed something interesting tonight while watching a replay of the Patriot/Jaguar game. While the linemen for New England were warming up(doing short 3-4 yd. bursts after firing out of a stance) some got in a left hand stance and others in a right hand. You could almost tell which side they played on by their warm up stances. They just did it unconsiously/naturally! Same thing probably goes for the D-line in some defenses?
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Post by los on Jan 11, 2006 22:00:31 GMT -6
Yeah kw, that very thing happens to our left OT(all of our o-line are right hand stanceright now). He's one of our best linemen but has trouble with quicker def. players off the edge! I think you're right, cause he only gets beat by a step or two but it sure does give our right handed QB's a headache on the blind side at times. I'm thinking about trying to correct this before we start in the spring!
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Post by shamespiral on Jan 15, 2006 23:16:34 GMT -6
Yeah he can, all he has to do is flip his hips and run him up field at that point....
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 8:12:10 GMT -6
Saw some good examples of this happen to the Colts o-line this past weekend! And they were in a 2pt. stance!
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Post by airman on Jan 16, 2006 16:18:14 GMT -6
Saw some good examples of this happen to the Colts o-line this past weekend! And they were in a 2pt. stance! here is what I do not understand, when you know you are going to throw the ball, why not put them in a pass pro position to start with. spurrier did this at florida. when it is 3 adn 15, why pretend you are going to run. to me, if you are a throwing team and your tackles are not up in a 2pt, staggard stance, you are playing with one arm tied behind your back. |
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Post by los on Jan 16, 2006 17:02:32 GMT -6
I'm not talking about the stance but the defender getting to the o-lines hip and beyond before they can react! In a 2pt, you should be in a better position to keep this from happening and the Colt's o-line didn't. (A lot of times!)
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