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Post by barnes77 on Sept 5, 2016 8:57:50 GMT -6
I understand that coaches talk a certain way,I would like to ask how many of you coaches actually yell and curse at players. I coach 10 year olds and from what I've heard from these coaches is appalling i really dont understand how coaches can curse at a 10 year old. Maybe im just getting wet behind the ears but do you coaches curse at your players?
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 5, 2016 9:21:19 GMT -6
I coach in the high school, and while a word or two might slip out in the sideline in the heat of the game or even in practice under my breath, I do not swear directly at kids.
That is completely unacceptable.
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 5, 2016 9:52:04 GMT -6
I understand that coaches talk a certain way,I would like to ask how many of you coaches actually yell and curse at players. I coach 10 year olds and from what I've heard from these coaches is appalling i really dont understand how coaches can curse at a 10 year old. Maybe im just getting wet behind the ears but do you coaches curse at your players? I try not to curse around children at all, but sometimes it slips out.
Besides, it's baseball where they're supposed to learn cursing, right? Or is it in the Scouts?
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Post by barnes77 on Sept 5, 2016 9:58:07 GMT -6
I understand that coaches talk a certain way,I would like to ask how many of you coaches actually yell and curse at players. I coach 10 year olds and from what I've heard from these coaches is appalling i really dont understand how coaches can curse at a 10 year old. Maybe im just getting wet behind the ears but do you coaches curse at your players? I try not to curse around children at all, but sometimes it slips out.
Besides, it's baseball where they're supposed to learn cursing, right? Or is it in the Scouts?
I understand it slipping out but they do it intentionally. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Sept 5, 2016 10:02:21 GMT -6
I try not to curse around children at all, but sometimes it slips out.
Besides, it's baseball where they're supposed to learn cursing, right? Or is it in the Scouts?
I understand it slipping out but they do it intentionally. I think we understood that was your complaint. |
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Post by newt21 on Sept 5, 2016 16:33:28 GMT -6
I yell, but I don't curse. I've coached many different age groups (youth to college) and I never cuss the kids because they're just that, kids. I don't allow them to cuss either, it'd be a double standard if I cussed at them but didn't allow them to cuss.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 5, 2016 19:00:47 GMT -6
Curse words may be involved in my coaching of a point, but I never use them at a player. I don't even really get frustrated or angry at them, but I've had the luxury of coaching some REALLY good backs.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 5, 2016 19:26:54 GMT -6
Curse words may be involved in my coaching of a point, but I never use them at a player. I don't even really get frustrated or angry at them, but I've had the luxury of coaching some REALLY good backs. I used to go apechit on kids, but why? It accomplishe nothing. They don't play better and have learned nothing. Seize those teaching moments guys. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 5, 2016 20:51:46 GMT -6
Weight room scenario:
Your player decides to nut check another player while the other kid is squatting 225. I will def go apechit. Don't say "you should've taught him not to do that" bc trust me, at my old place it never would've happened... but new school / new culture to change.
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Post by jrk5150 on Sept 6, 2016 8:12:19 GMT -6
I actually in this case don't believe there's a difference between youth and HS - they are ALL "kids", and adults shouldn't be swearing at them.
That said, I think there is a difference between dropping F bombs and maybe a slipped "bullsh*t" comment. But I will own that's my own bias, with nothing really supporting that other than a sliding moral/ethical scale.
When my (10-12 years old) players are in a serious rut, and their focus and effort is seriously lacking, and they haven't responded to volume or "encouragement" like up-downs, I have on rare occasions resorted to mild(er) profanity. I have told them to get their heads out of their as*es, or that they are getting their as*ses kicked. That's maybe once or twice a year. They have always responded to that with dramatically increased effort.
I have let slip 2-3 times in 12 years a comment like "that's bullsh*t, you need to get your as*ses moving". Again, usually in the huddle when the players aren't focused and are pretty much screwing off. Frankly, I would rather have not said that, but in those cases, I let my frustrations get to me.
I personally swear. Always have. In fact, my HS coaches (mid-1980's) talked to me about my pregame swearing in the locker room (when they left us alone), as they could hear me out in the hallway. So it goes back that far. My college basketball coach went to the Bobby Knight school of player relations. So it's not like I don't do it/have an issue with it. I do have an issue with it being said to/at KIDS. My HS coaches rarely swore, pretty much similar to what I said I do above. Don't think I EVER heard an F bomb come from any of them.
At our local HS, the coaches swear at the kids profusely, dropping F bombs all over the place. Honestly, I don't thing they very good coaches anyway so there is some bias there, but certainly this lessens my general respect for them as human beings. It's not like I think they should be fired for it, but somebody should tell them to STFU. :-)
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 8, 2016 8:01:34 GMT -6
I definitely understand that things slip. I also see a big difference between cursing in general and cursing directly at a kid. My take is we are supposed to be modelling appropriate behavior. So why curse at all (and again I get that we all slip up)?
Now, I do believe that there are some coaches who believe they have to use this language to motivate their players. I think that's a cop out.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 8, 2016 8:30:16 GMT -6
Speaking 10 year olds, I don't think a coach should swear ever in front of them. At the high school level I've been around coaches who won't swear at all, some will swear when trying to get a point across, but actually swearing at a player like "You're f'n horrible"....yea that's bad, but I've never been around a coach who did that. There's a difference between swearing and swearing at someone.
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Post by mnike23 on Sept 8, 2016 11:40:30 GMT -6
never at 1 particular kid, more as a group, like "yall acting lazy as hell" "get your azz moving!" "your really pi$$ing me off"
never hey, your a dumb mother #ucker.
thats immediately a fireable offense. at any level.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Sept 9, 2016 10:19:57 GMT -6
never at 1 particular kid, more as a group, like "yall acting lazy as hell" "get your azz moving!" "your really pi$$ing me off" never hey, your a dumb mother #ucker. thats immediately a fireable offense. at any level. I agree with mnike23 you don't need to call someone a dumb mf'er but "this is {censored} effort" to the whole team during a bad practice... I dunno- to each his own once they're in HS. Youth level: I got kicked, pushed, shoved, cussed at, threatened at the youth level- it made me hate them not the game. But that stuff is wrong. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 10, 2016 7:45:07 GMT -6
I understand that coaches talk a certain way,I would like to ask how many of you coaches actually yell and curse at players. I coach 10 year olds and from what I've heard from these coaches is appalling i really dont understand how coaches can curse at a 10 year old. Maybe im just getting wet behind the ears but do you coaches curse at your players? You are 100% correct. I teach elementary PE...and the environment is the same as a football field. There is no "slipping out" it is just bad adulting. |
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Post by 33coach on Sept 10, 2016 14:01:48 GMT -6
I understand that coaches talk a certain way,I would like to ask how many of you coaches actually yell and curse at players. I coach 10 year olds and from what I've heard from these coaches is appalling i really dont understand how coaches can curse at a 10 year old. Maybe im just getting wet behind the ears but do you coaches curse at your players? I don't curse AT players. But definitely around them. Sometimes I'll say things like "put him on his A$$". Or "don't take that Sh*t from him"... Its almost always in a positive way. And never the primary focus of the sentence. Its just the way i talk. |
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Post by **** on Sept 10, 2016 22:19:31 GMT -6
You should never cuss at a MS kid or lower. Although behind closed doors I have ripped a MS kids a$$ before.
I've only coached HS and have said things pregame that should never be repeated. Most people would be shocked the type of things I say to my ILB's before a game. I never cuss at a kid but the f word is going to fly.
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Post by natenator on Sept 11, 2016 14:13:47 GMT -6
Fuk'em
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 11, 2016 16:43:05 GMT -6
You should never cuss at a MS kid or lower. Although behind closed doors I have ripped a MS kids a$$ before. I've only coached HS and have said things pregame that should never be repeated. Most people would be shocked the type of things I say to my ILB's before a game. I never cuss at a kid but the f word is going to fly. Maybe I am misinterpreting the tone of this, but it seems almost as if you are bragging about your use of foul language in front of minors. Heck, in general. I have never understood this aspect of coaching. I constantly read that football it is "an extension of the classroom" I constantly read in the concussion threads how football is necessary to "build young men" and how it teaches them all sorts of things that can't otherwise be taught. The word "respect" has been thrown around 100 times in the thread on the national anthem--not standing up during a song is so disrespectful that it can cause a coach to want to keep a player from playing, but a coach, a supposed leader, being vulgar (particularly in front of minors as we discussing in this thread) is perfectly fine. Too each his own. |
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Post by Stangs13065 on Sept 11, 2016 19:26:08 GMT -6
I'm still in high school, but I've coached MS kids at camps, and for some 7-on-7 stuff that's connected with our HS. My philosophy is to stay positive, and to not curse. It's not really in my personality to yell, and curse, and if I do, it's under my breath. They're still kids, and developing an opinion on playing the game, and I don't want playing football to be associated with feeling crappy about themselves. Football should still be fun at that edge. Now, that doesn't mean I don't correct mistakes, but I do so in a positive manner. That being said, I understand how different the high school level is, as I play at that level, and can take a good *ss chewing, but it's not the best way to motivate me. Coaching is teaching at the end of the day, and I can't imagine a good math teacher cursing a kid out because he can't figure out a proof, or calculus problem.
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Post by CoachO on Sept 11, 2016 19:31:31 GMT -6
NEVER
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Post by **** on Sept 12, 2016 6:18:49 GMT -6
You should never cuss at a MS kid or lower. Although behind closed doors I have ripped a MS kids a$$ before. I've only coached HS and have said things pregame that should never be repeated. Most people would be shocked the type of things I say to my ILB's before a game. I never cuss at a kid but the f word is going to fly. Maybe I am misinterpreting the tone of this, but it seems almost as if you are bragging about your use of foul language in front of minors. Heck, in general. I have never understood this aspect of coaching. I constantly read that football it is "an extension of the classroom" I constantly read in the concussion threads how football is necessary to "build young men" and how it teaches them all sorts of things that can't otherwise be taught. The word "respect" has been thrown around 100 times in the thread on the national anthem--not standing up during a song is so disrespectful that it can cause a coach to want to keep a player from playing, but a coach, a supposed leader, being vulgar (particularly in front of minors as we discussing in this thread) is perfectly fine. Too each his own. yolo |
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Sept 12, 2016 7:03:44 GMT -6
I coach MS and I'm guilty of cussing. No f bombs but I have slipped out a "shite" and "a$$" about every day. I cuss only in terms of encouragement, though. "C'mon Sammy put him on his a$$" isn't terrible to me.
I'll NEVER cuss to make my kids feel bad. It's just an expression of extreme emotion and passion.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 12, 2016 8:42:08 GMT -6
I coach MS and I'm guilty of cussing. No f bombs but I have slipped out a "shite" and "a$$" about every day. I cuss only in terms of encouragement, though. "C'mon Sammy put him on his a$$" isn't terrible to me. I'll NEVER cuss to make my kids feel bad. It's just an expression of extreme emotion and passion. Context is everything. The (mostly american) concept of "bad words" blows my mind. That we as a culture believe that - regardless of context - certain words are BAD... Which is ridiculous. Words are neutral. Context is good or bad. There is a ton of difference between: "Put him on his a$$, johnny." And "You play like a$$, johnny." |
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 14, 2016 18:57:18 GMT -6
I coach MS and I'm guilty of cussing. No f bombs but I have slipped out a "shite" and "a$$" about every day. I cuss only in terms of encouragement, though. "C'mon Sammy put him on his a$$" isn't terrible to me. I'll NEVER cuss to make my kids feel bad. It's just an expression of extreme emotion and passion. Context is everything. The (mostly american) concept of "bad words" blows my mind. That we as a culture believe that - regardless of context - certain words are BAD... Which is ridiculous. Words are neutral. Context is good or bad. There is a ton of difference between: "Put him on his a$$, johnny." And "You play like a$$, johnny." I usually save that last one for officials. "You ref like a$$ Johnny!!!" |
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