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Post by txdrawl on Jan 21, 2006 20:42:26 GMT -6
Mine is to put us into a manageable 3rd down situation...still maintaining potential of run, pass or play action!
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Post by fish on Jan 21, 2006 20:48:34 GMT -6
same here. say its 2nd and 10, i want to get to 3rd and 5. i don't panic, i just call the next play. i don't want the defense to believe they have us where they want us.
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Post by toprowguy on Jan 21, 2006 20:52:43 GMT -6
First thing is not to panic.
Make sure the play will put you in a manageable 3rd down sitiutaion. I like to run on 2nd and 10 just to make sure third down is not impossible.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Jan 21, 2006 20:58:00 GMT -6
I like to run also, although its not a bad time to throw a screen depending on field position.
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Post by txdrawl on Jan 21, 2006 21:00:56 GMT -6
Exactly....I think way too many OC's get impatient in this situation! In 2nd and long I am going to ensure my possession as an OC by getting half of 2nd and long. Depending on the opponent and DC...that could be a possession throw, option, draw, etc. Some of our biggest plays out of our option game have come from 2nd and long.
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Post by txdrawl on Jan 21, 2006 21:05:47 GMT -6
How many times have you seen this? Holding penalty......2nd and 17......RUN or OPTION team throwing on 2nd and 3rd down? (What is worse they are not throwing off play action of their most dangerous action) Wether you are a run orientated or pass orientated team it is all about down and distance management in ALL AREAS......Offense, Defense and Special Teams!
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Post by bigdaddyd on Jan 21, 2006 21:26:21 GMT -6
This would be a running down for me;off tackle or something up the middle (sprint draw or belly). I would even consider a strong Play Action Pass, off one of the run plays I listed.
I want to get at least 5 to 7 yards on the play, set myself up with a good third and short situation.
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Post by iahc on Jan 21, 2006 21:27:47 GMT -6
I like to run our complimentary plays off of our "bread and butter" plays in this situation. Whether it is our Iso boot, or our sprint draw or screen. The last two seasons our sprint passing package has been very successful and as a result our sprint draw and sprint screen have been successful in these 2nd and long situations.
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Post by txdrawl on Jan 21, 2006 21:31:44 GMT -6
Now look at it from this standpoint....You are playing a conference/district opponent with the same DC the last several years? 2nd and long! Do you give weight to the DC or do you take into account it is 16-18 year olds executing a scheme defensively?
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Post by fish on Jan 21, 2006 21:41:39 GMT -6
really, you take both into account. if you've been facing the same dc for a while you have a feel for what he does and at the same time you know the type of kids he has executing the call. with this in mind, it might tell you to run a screen cause he's pinnin' his ears back or it might not matter and you can run whatever you want.
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Post by txdrawl on Jan 21, 2006 21:47:08 GMT -6
How much thought do you give to what you have done in the past and what your opponent has done in the past in certain down and distances?
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Post by fish on Jan 21, 2006 21:52:50 GMT -6
that depends on how well we execute. if there's a play i can run where i know the kids will get the job done and will get us yards, then i really don't care what they do. otherwise, i look at recent history first (this season) to see what to expect. i would try to run something familiar to us in a formation that i feel would give them problems. if they can't line up correctly, then we have the advantage.
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 1:46:09 GMT -6
how long? I mean 2nd and 10 is not long IMO. I pass the ball on just about every down.
now if it is 2nd and 20, I believe in trying to get half of it back.
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Post by seagull73 on Jan 22, 2006 6:49:19 GMT -6
Punting isn't a bad thing. In the middle of a game with a reasonable score I try not to do anything stupid that will make the score unreasonable. We have a punt team and defense for a reason.
I agree 2 & 10 is not long. The whole playbook is open.
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Post by coachjd on Jan 22, 2006 7:21:13 GMT -6
It depends on the defense and field position. Are we in 4 down territory. How well is the defense playing? because as seagull put it "punting is ok"
We have been very succussful with our quick screen game on 2nd and long, bubble and jailbreak. IMO, good safe plays that can easily gain 5-6 yards and sometimes +10. That now puts us in the 3rd and med or short.
Great thread!!
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Post by coachdawhip on Jan 22, 2006 10:02:39 GMT -6
If it's second and more than 15, then you can't panic. I usually run my base play. I mean if you don't get any yards it's still long, if i can get yards it's manageable.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 22, 2006 10:20:11 GMT -6
I'm with most of the coaches here, no need to get over aggressive. There are a few qualifiers: 1) if I'm just killing them on the day with the pass and all we did was misfire, we might come right back at them with a 10+ yard pass if we are so confident. 2) If we are in field goal range, we DO not want a negative play, so deep drop passing might just be out. 3) How aggressive is the DC? Is he likely to drop lots of guys, making a 5-6 yard run on a draw very very likely, or is he going to bring some kind of blitz a lot in this situation. Again, field position matters. If I'm at mid-field and I think he will blitz, it might be a good time to max-protect and go deep, but if I'm on my own 20 it's going to be 3-steps or a quick trap.
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Post by dmp225 on Jan 22, 2006 10:25:49 GMT -6
get half the distance back and set-up a manageable 3rd down situation
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Post by airman on Jan 22, 2006 11:02:56 GMT -6
one thing you have to remember is the defense sees this as a chance to inflict more damage.
so often a blitz is inorder. if you hit it right, the blitz beater is a good choice.
if it is 2nd and 10, I will shoot for first and ten, unless like I said, it is 2nd and 20. one of my favorites is 2nd and 10 on our goal line. line it up and throw it vertical. big play to break their back.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 23, 2006 5:12:48 GMT -6
Get it to a managable situation. Do not force anything. Punting is okay. Generally speaking if we could get 1/2 of what is needed I would be happy. Probably run some type of option play.
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Post by coachnorm on Jan 23, 2006 7:52:35 GMT -6
I think the key is to do what you do best. Everyone pretty much agrees that punting is okay and that we want a manageable third down situation. Some of us are passing teams we will pass on 2-10, some of us are running teams we will most assuredly not pass on 2-10.
Most of us will do what we do best and let the situation take care of itself.
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2006 11:56:49 GMT -6
this is why I think we should do away with punting like the arena league has.
punting is always the backup. I know people who are ready to give up and punt the ball when it is 2nd and 10.
in away I king of repect the double wingers as they say 4 for 3. 4 downs to get 3 yds at a crack. punting is not part fo the double wingers I have talk to.
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Post by brophy on Jan 23, 2006 12:06:13 GMT -6
airman, what is your defensive philosophy ?
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Post by airman on Jan 23, 2006 12:11:54 GMT -6
I really do not have one. every where I have coached we have two platooned, so I have not worked with the defense since I played high school football.
if I had a defensive philosophy, it would be a attacking one. get the ball back for the offense to score or score yourself.
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Post by coachnorm on Jan 23, 2006 14:48:51 GMT -6
Airman I used to coach for a guy that had the same philosophy. He was a wide open offensive guy that told me "The job of the defense is to get the ball back to the offense as quickly as possible. I f you let them score quick that's OK just don't let them drive and eat up the clock!"
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Post by scox80 on Jan 23, 2006 17:35:11 GMT -6
Call a play........
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Post by gmccown on Jan 23, 2006 17:44:51 GMT -6
Run the ball in the first half, no question, run it and see what happens. In the second it depends on the score, where the LOS is on the field, and what we've done in the situation previously. If you've been running in this situation all game, it might be a good chance for play action late in the 3rd or in the 4th.
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Post by champyun on Jan 23, 2006 19:06:00 GMT -6
I'm with you guys....if you can get back half or more, you're helping your play calling tremendously.
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Post by coachy on Jan 24, 2006 12:05:48 GMT -6
I've always been told to get half. We have a lot of those....
What do you call on 3rd and 55. (had one of those this year)
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Post by 2theair on Jan 25, 2006 13:40:45 GMT -6
Great board first time on. I just run my offense knowing that I have 2 plays to get the yards I need. You throw or run based on what you decided game plan wise. Like it was said before, don't panic. Unless you are just that much better than someone, you will be in 2nd and 8 or more a few times a game at least.
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