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Post by mountiesfootball on Aug 9, 2007 13:32:23 GMT -6
Just a quick question regarding Head Coaches and play calling.
Although alot of Head Coaches have Offensive Coordinators, How many call their own plays seeing that it is their system. Does Coach Hatcher call his own plays with his Hatch Attack?When he was at Valdosta and now at Georgia Southern, will he call his own plays?
I am a College Head Coach and I do call my own plays as it is my system but I get alot of input on game day from my OC.
Really appreciate any feedback or insight.Also if they call their own plays, what responsibilities are given to the OC?
Thanks in advance
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Post by fbairattack on Aug 9, 2007 17:33:10 GMT -6
as a high school guy I call all my own...I have as much input from booth and coaches on field as possible...Dont have an OC since limited number of coaches
In college we had an OC that called the plays and HC was final decision on big calls....
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 9, 2007 19:15:35 GMT -6
I'm the HC and I call the plays. Got a new QB coach this year (I'm coaching OL) and he may develop into a play caller. If so, I'll be ok with it but right now I'm calling em'. Was an OC at an NAIA school and probably had the HC over rule me 3-4 times, and I usually was ripping him over the head phones for disrupting my rhythm! Also would have a good laugh about it after the game. It comes down to a matter of respect.
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Post by Coach Huey on Aug 9, 2007 21:10:04 GMT -6
OC - organize practice schedules, establish procedures for weekend breakdown, gameplan duties
playcaller - call plays
the playcaller and the oc do not have to be the same person
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Post by olinecoach61 on Aug 10, 2007 14:11:56 GMT -6
In my opinion, if your termed offensive coordinator, than you should be calling plays. If you are the run game coordinator, than call yourself that. If your the passing game coordinator than call yourself that. If your the assistant in charge of cleaning jocks, call yourself that. Peoples perception of an offensive coordinator is that they are in charge of the offense. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 10, 2007 21:38:26 GMT -6
My big thing is that WHOEVER is scripting the plays, needs to be the playcaller. A head coach is asking for disaster if he lets the OC do all the "work" (scripting, game planning, etc. ) and he just swoops in on Fri nights to pick plays.
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Aug 11, 2007 9:36:25 GMT -6
I'm the HC, also the OC... so I call plays (have been HC/OC for 16 years).
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Post by coachcalande on Aug 11, 2007 12:28:47 GMT -6
I prefer to call the plays...If Im the OC I want to call the plays, If im the HC and decide not to have an OC title then IM calling the plays. Never understood giving a title "oc" then not allowing the guy to call the plays and design the offense...
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Post by mnpasso on Aug 11, 2007 12:32:20 GMT -6
How come this situation / issue never arises on defense (at least that I've heard of)? I have never heard of a "defensive coordinator" not calling the defense on game night.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Aug 11, 2007 13:18:58 GMT -6
I'm doing it this season on defense. I didn't know it happened, but oh well... I wrote the playbook, practice schedules, all of the other 'coordinating,' just not the playcalling. I'll be up top on the headset and I'll have plenty of input. But the HC gets what he wants, we'll see how it goes.
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Post by coachcalande on Aug 11, 2007 14:26:44 GMT -6
Its hard to call the "plays" on either side of the ball if you dont totally "get" the system.
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Post by tigerpc on Aug 11, 2007 20:31:30 GMT -6
We have a co-coordinator system in place right now. I'm the passing game coordinator & another guy is the run game coordinator. If the HC wants to run, he says run & the RGC calls a run play. If the HC wants to pass, he says pass & I call a play. I worked pretty well in the spring & during our spring game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 12, 2007 12:22:12 GMT -6
tigerpc....So, what does the HC base his choice on? Did you have any Delay issues? Do you feel like you guys are "wasting" a coach since BOTH you and the RGC have to be thinking about a play call, and therefore can't carry out another assignment? Do you find it hard to develop some continuity, or to set plays up in advance because of the dual system?
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Post by vajeff on Aug 15, 2007 11:31:44 GMT -6
I have had this problem before, A couple years ago I was paired up with the same HC as I am this year. Myself and another coach would work up gameplan and plays during the week , and as soon as we were stopped on a play or two on saturday, the HC would swoop in and take over. As you can imagine "this pissed me off" but, being a loyall asst. i kept quiet and let him do his thing. Things did not go well for our team as a result. The kids did'nt know who to go to , and so on. This went on every week.
So this year, I sat down with him and told him that, if I am OC then I will call "all" the plays , and we will not have a repeat of that year. He is ok with that as long as he is included in gameplan , which he should be and was two years ago. So far so good , but , we are only two weeks into practice !!
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 15, 2007 18:30:04 GMT -6
vajeff-- I know exactly what you are talking about. One squad I was with..one coach did all the scripting (which is essentially practicing the playcalling) and then the HC would step in on game night to "save the day". And of course, this resulted in the HC calling things that had not been practiced....among other things.
Bottom line, I think that happens when the HC has an EGO, and thinks that coaching football is about being "tricky" and calling the "right" plays instead of preparing your team to win.
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Post by dubber on Aug 15, 2007 20:03:51 GMT -6
HC-sets expectations/philosophy
Coordinators-execute the HC's philosophy/expectations
For the first time in our programs history, our HC will not call the plays......he is the special teams coordinator, I freaking love this set up so far. Part of why it works, is the OC, DC and HC have been on the staff together for 7 years
Calling plays is fun (this is part of the appeal of football video games)...........if I ever become an HC, I might call a defense, but my OC WILL be on the box. He'll put the offense and game-plan in accordance with my expectations/philosophy, and then he'll be let loose on Friday nights.......it is just better for the offense if the OC sets everything up, and sees everything from the box, and then he is the one processing what the defense is doing and how to attack it-----------------[glow=red,2,300]does it take trust? hell yeah, but it is what is best for the team if the HC just lets go of the control[/glow]
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Post by redandwhite on Aug 15, 2007 20:33:33 GMT -6
I concur with everything Dubber said - and this is exactly how we run things. As a head coach, i am not going to 1) Give someone the title OC and not trust him to do the job (i,e, call plays), and i am never going to undermine him by taking over on friday night ( I might call 2-3 plays a game, although I will suggest ideas, and may make a decision on run/pass occasionally). OC, IMO, needs to be in the box and HC needs to be on the field. Yes, it takes trust. If I did not have enough faith in one of my coaches, I would take over the OC position. Finally, being Special Teams Coordinator as the HC sends a definite impression about the importance of ST to the team.
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Post by groundchuck on Aug 15, 2007 20:46:52 GMT -6
I have had an OC and let him call the plays. I would make suggestions but it was his call. I think I made 2 over-rule calls all season. One worked big, one did not. I felt my job in regards to the play calling was to help him set up his strategy, for example 4-down territory, (going for it or not etc). I called the defense and ran the special teams so I was way involved with those aspects too.
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