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Post by carson101 on Dec 19, 2007 1:44:36 GMT -6
There are so many teams running the spread these days, and I hear a lot of people asking how to run it better. But why hasn't anyone asked how to stop it?
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Post by deaux68 on Dec 19, 2007 2:02:10 GMT -6
Because you can't.  |
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Post by tedseay on Dec 19, 2007 5:16:01 GMT -6
There are so many teams running the spread these days, and I hear a lot of people asking how to run it better. But why hasn't anyone asked how to stop it? Coach: Because brophy already knows how, and the rest of us are too scared to ask him... ;D  ;D |
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2007 7:23:52 GMT -6
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Post by elkabong on Dec 19, 2007 8:03:31 GMT -6
They do, in the defensive section of the board. imagine THAT! hmph!  |
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Post by airraider on Dec 19, 2007 9:11:33 GMT -6
There are so many teams running the spread these days, and I hear a lot of people asking how to run it better. But why hasn't anyone asked how to stop it? Coach: Because brophy already knows how, and the rest of us are too scared to ask him... ;D ;D After 7 on 7 last year.. Brophy can only stop the spread of 1 thing.. and thats the love of the Double Wing.. |
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Post by touchdowng on Dec 19, 2007 10:07:25 GMT -6
How do you stop the spread you ask? Good question.
Put pressure on the QB - But do this at the right times - If you constantly rush 4 and 5, the good ones will adjust and make you pay. We use to make this mistake but have learned to pick our times to bring heat.
Get your players to buy into minimizing the damage
NO BIG PLAYS
Spread teams tend to have a tough time in the red zone.
Understand if they are calling plays at the LOS - If so, change up the looks and manipulate your safety count. Move from 1 to 2, move from 2 to 1. At times, show 0 safeties. Many Spread Teams will call plays based off of the safety count - 2 = Run, 1 = Pass. It isn't this simple but will provide some food for thought.
Be able to roll to Cvr 3 from 2 safeties
Be able to drop to Cvr 2 from 1 safety
Chart your effectiveness (and understand that they are also charting) and watch enough film to be able to anticipate the opponent's adjustments.
If you prepare right, it will be the ultimate chess match
These are all generalizations but hopefully can provide some structure.
We played 4 spread teams this year.
We shut one of them out - They ended up making the state playoffs. Held the 2nd to seven points - they were not very good but stuck to their guns and did some damage between the 20's. The third opponent was ranked 4th in state and averaged 48 points per game. We "held" them to 28 points but this was due to them having superior athletes. I still think our DC had a great game plan. This team lost in the state semis.
The last spread team we played knocked us out of the playoffs and went onto win the state title. Didn't matter what we did, they were just REALLY good. They found the seams in our zones and ran the ball effectively with the RB and QB. When we manned up, their receivers created space and the QB threw the ball accurately. When we pressured, the QB escaped and moved the chains.
The BIG problems is that we could not control the ball on the ground. Our own ground game was non-existent and we gave them the ball way too much. End of story.
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Post by miami5 on Dec 19, 2007 13:05:50 GMT -6
i guess it depends on your personal and system.
This year we had great skill people, lb/cbs etc.
Last year we led the league in interceptions,
defending the spread was easy for us, we wanted to see teams in the spread.
it helps if you understand what teams are trying to do.
who are there best players ( receives etc) how do they like to get them the ball.
Do they have weak points.
last year we beat the number one team in our league because we were able to shut down there passing by noticing a few things they did and countered it.
It was as simple as a back side blitz when they went in motion. away.. ( of course you have to be careful good OC's will catch you )
so what did teams do this year.,, they ran the BALL ON US. had no body up front to stop the run.
i complained at the ALL conference meeting that they did not vote one of my guys all league,,
I told them " all you guys know how good he is and we were back there, so you ran the ball"
i think out of respect for him and the rest you could have voted him in.
got lots of laughs --no votes because he had no interceptions, ..
oh well I'm done ranting
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Post by burtledog on Dec 19, 2007 15:48:54 GMT -6
Coach: Because brophy already knows how, and the rest of us are too scared to ask him...
That is good!
Greg
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Post by dubber on Dec 19, 2007 21:16:51 GMT -6
Part of the problem:
This formation:
X-------------------OOXOO--------------------Y
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can utilize any one of (or combination of) the following offenses:
wing-t/jet
zone
triple veer (read)
air raid
run and shoot
Sorry for the generic terms guys.......
But you get my point.
You the thread needs to be specific------"How do I defend shotgun veer that utilizes jet sweep?"
even better:
"How do play my 5 tech. versus shotgun veer that utilizes jet sweep?" (since that is the player they are attacking)
That, and most of the posters on here are in the offensive section (sorry, guilty as charged)
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Post by gmccown on Dec 20, 2007 16:13:48 GMT -6
This is interesting from my POV being a DW guy but here goes...
I think that people who talk about "defending the spread" fall victim to a key advantage that makes some DW teams very successfull. That advantage is a defensive coordinator who generalizes to classifications of offensive systems into categories. ie. spread, I, doublewing, option, pro set, west coast.
Now days the variations in attack of the many "spread" teams are so great that generalizing them into one category is simply not effective. As an example trying to defend Florida and West Virginia with the same scheme would leave a lot of uncovered areas. The advantage of the spread is in the infinate possibilities to hit you with a hoard of skill position players, formation adjustment, multiple blocking schemes, etc. while looking generic to the casual observer. I think you have to look at defending specific teams on your schedule not generic groupings of offensive systems.
The same thing is true of DW teams or any offense. There are vast differences in DW attacks...what works on one system may leave you wide open to others...hence the reason I shun the "defend the DW" threads...same thing applies to the spread.
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Post by gmccown on Dec 20, 2007 16:15:51 GMT -6
I don't mean to say that these boards are not helpful. They are a great resource, but to get the most you have to target specific plays or systems, not general categories.
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Post by carson101 on Dec 20, 2007 17:50:07 GMT -6
Here is a chukle for you, I have always been a strong defensive guy stopping everything that was run against us. I, Power I,West coast type stuff and how to stop it. Then came the wing-t,dw stuff which I was clueless on stopping. So I started coaching wing-t and learned the system and I am in a program that runs it well so I have I guess learned it enough to stop it to a point. So here I am amused to the fact another offense that needs to be stopped and the thing that is funny is learning the system so that I can stop it so i have my so called semi-pro AKA Alumni team running it. I guess to beat it you have to run it so that once you learn the key points and advantages you can get into the guys head and anticipate his next move. Its like touchdowng said its a chess game only the finest of players will win,he just forgot to finish the sentence...lol thanks guys
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Post by gmccown on Dec 21, 2007 11:43:30 GMT -6
I agree. I've had the displeasure of trying to defend a well coached and very athletic spread team and it is no fun at all. When they have a speed advantage it is really really really difficult to handle.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 23, 2007 9:47:34 GMT -6
You just have to find ways to do so, the question as asked here becomes what type of spread are you facing?
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Post by gmccown on Dec 23, 2007 10:12:10 GMT -6
Dawhip...that was my entire point. You have to deal with the specific system your facing and their strengths/weaknesses. That can be very difficult if they have you out classed geneticly.
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