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Post by tripleoption61 on Dec 7, 2007 12:10:45 GMT -6
where does navy go from here?
I say Jeff Monken or Kenny Niamot!
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Post by information on Dec 7, 2007 13:09:11 GMT -6
I think Kenny...but the way Gladchuck dissed Pual Johnson..."Paul wants to do what Paul wants to do" that might make them hire outside...
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 7, 2007 13:18:22 GMT -6
Navy wil be just fine. They've been running this offense long before Paul Johnson even arrived. I don't know if it was a different thread or if I heard it on espn or something but the question was asked is Navy been so successfull against Army because of coaching or because greater talent. Coaching was brought up as the main reason and I agree to this to an extent. The last 6 years navy is 6-0 against army and the #1 reason is because of their level of talent that fits their offensive philosophy. BY this I mean that Navy does a better job executing their offense with their personal than Army does with theirs. The coaching part isn't what Navy is doing it's the poor coaching of Army. If Army never switched from the flexbone/wishbone to a more spread I beleive they would not be 0-6. Army does not have the players to run this pffense that is why they have been a wish/flexbone team. If Navy ran a more conventional offense they would be horrible too.
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Post by tog on Dec 7, 2007 13:28:32 GMT -6
ok
to keep this coaching related
why change the offense?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 7, 2007 13:38:26 GMT -6
Why did Army change? Because their new coach thought he could turn things around with a more pro style offense. I can't beleive he actually thought that. I hope whoever comes into the Navy position keeps the Flexbone.
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Post by burtledog on Dec 7, 2007 19:42:02 GMT -6
Why did Army make the change. Because Young had spoiled them largely against 2d tier teams. Army in the 80's played alot of 1AA teams and stayed competitive with a couple of big boys (beat UT in the late 80's). Sutton upgraded the schedule and but for one year hung around 5-6. They had a 10-2 and scared Auburn in a bowl, then joined the CUSA and hung around 4-7 for a couple of years. Army thought they could actually compete with CUSA and MAC playing their game (those conferences, not a game that complements Army athletes). They fired Sutton to upgrade...and but 1 year of hope with Bobby Ross (after a 0-13 with Berry) the results have been totally hopeless. I understand from Boomer E during The GAME that Brock and the staff are going on retreat where the main topic will be... "Do we go back to an Option offense or continue to try to play someone else's game?"
Greg
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Post by Yash on Dec 7, 2007 20:12:13 GMT -6
Navy was 1-20 the 2 years before Paul Johnson came so I think that he had a big part with changing their program. Why does Navy have superior talent, because they run an offense that allows kids to be successful which results in wins which results in kids choosing the naval academy over the US military academy. So I think that paul johnson had a huge amount of responsibility in turning navy into a respectable team.
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Post by saintrad on Dec 7, 2007 21:11:27 GMT -6
Why does Navy have superior talent, because they run an offense that allows kids to be successful which results in wins which results in kids choosing the naval academy over the US military academy. i think the fact that you arent going to be blown up by an IED on the side of the road or the fact you are on a ship a very long way away from the actually fighting might have something to do with it too. |
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 7, 2007 21:20:46 GMT -6
Why does Navy have superior talent, because they run an offense that allows kids to be successful which results in wins which results in kids choosing the naval academy over the US military academy. i think the fact that you arent going to be blown up by an IED on the side of the road or the fact you are on a ship a very long way away from the actually fighting might have something to do with it too. Um if you didn't know the Marines are part of the Navy and usually the first in to a hot situation and last out. |
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Post by burtledog on Dec 7, 2007 21:41:55 GMT -6
And if you watched THE GAME, it seemed like half the Navy team that spoke to the tv people were choosing USMC as there branch. Any academy can have a measure of success with the character of their boys if they will concentrate on what they can do well. IE good atheletes making good choices under pressure and doing their duty to the team. Ask them to be tremendous atheletes or have a couple of guys with howitzer arms you just aren't going to see it much.
Notice also, when Weatherbie tried to make Navy more of a shotgun spread with lots of zone blocking, they fell apart. May have been some other issues, but the altering of the offense into more of todays shotgun spread with option was happening when the 1-20 exploded ( their QB got suspended also).
Grace Alone,
Greg
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Post by Yash on Dec 7, 2007 21:54:31 GMT -6
Spos beat me to it, but the Marines are a branch of the Navy and an old joke when I was in the military was that MARINE stood for "My A** Rides In Navy Equipment" But I don't think its the superior talent that puts Navy or Air Force above army, i think its the coaching scheme and mindset. All three academies have the same tough restrictions and boot camps that make them tough to recruit and tough to keep weight on guys. I'm not sure what goes into the decision for the guys making the choice of where they want to go. I know that a lot of guys going to the Navy plan on flying and many go on to become astronauts. (little known fact, the navy has more planes than the air force) In the end what I think it adds up to though is that Navy and AF are successful because they run a unique offense where as Army lines up and tries to ram a square peg into a round hole.
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Post by burtledog on Dec 7, 2007 23:51:01 GMT -6
And if you remember, that is what Navy did for most of the time between Welsh and Weatherbie and they were the also rans for most of that time while AFA and West Point ran wishbone type schemes and were very competitive.
Greg
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Post by theprez98 on Dec 8, 2007 7:13:11 GMT -6
Don't forget there are 14,000 Navy sailors (in addition to Marines) on the ground in Iraq...believe me, I was one of them!
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Post by airman on Dec 10, 2007 13:17:45 GMT -6
paul johnson took the navy job on one condition. It was that he would have 2 hrs of practice time each day with his players. prior to that the academy did not make sure its football players were all present at the same time. some players schedules only allowed them to be a practice for 45 minutes. Paul told the admin how they had to change if they wanted to be a winner.
He then totally changed the direction of how navy went about its business in recruting players and program structure.
he has said army needs to adopt the same program structure.
all three face limits on recruiting. players can weigh only so much based on their height. air force really has issues and that is why they went to the option. every one who goes to air force wants to be a figther pilot and there are big limitations on height and weight.
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Post by burtledog on Dec 10, 2007 16:03:40 GMT -6
On size... they really don't care while you are a cadet. But, they must get there by the time they graduate and go to their assignments. However, many things about cadet life do keep you from building widebodies. Could you imagine what Army and Navy would do playing in 1AA? Have them not change their systems and play Patriot and Ivy League guys ( a little CAA to stretch). They would be in the 1AA playoffs every year. That they can keep up with the big boys at all is a statement to character.
Greg
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Post by airman on Dec 11, 2007 14:50:09 GMT -6
On size... they really don't care while you are a cadet. But, they must get there by the time they graduate and go to their assignments. However, many things about cadet life do keep you from building widebodies. Could you imagine what Army and Navy would do playing in 1AA? Have them not change their systems and play Patriot and Ivy League guys ( a little CAA to stretch). They would be in the 1AA playoffs every year. That they can keep up with the big boys at all is a statement to character. Greg this is true with the size however with the summer training it is really almost impossible to get huge. |
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