Ok I have a mancrush...............

I would say that Mike Shula was 6-6 with mainly the same players. Saban at one time was 6-2 with an overtime loss to UGA and a 7 point loss to FSU. They blew UT out of the water and shoulda, coulda, woulda against LSU.


Right here. I did a horrible job of saying that he was winning and now losing with the same players. Except for a few guys, they are Mike Shula's guys. Whether they beat UT by 24 points or they lose to a lowly Louisiana directional school. That's what I should've and meant to say.

Here is what I think is the best. Shouldn't the catastrophic event be their head coach getting run out of town last year. Or losing to Auburn FIVE times in a row. Or getting beat by Miss. State and Sly Croom two years in a row.

I think you getting at his point. Something had to happen to take them to the very rock bottom. Before that, nothing else seemed to change the culture, which is exactly what he is trying to accomplish.

It is like, oh now we will really start trying. I mean, I have been trying this whole time, and I am great, but now my players will really start trying because I am awesome and somethng bad has happened. It is stupid.

I'm also trying not to be a jerk, but you are really missing the whole point. In the press conference after LA-Monroe he said it was his fault for losing. He apologized. Isn't that taking responsibility? I think he honestly was saying whatever he had been doing after the LSU hadn't been working. They needed something catastrophic as it relates to football that brought them together.

The analogies have nothing to do with him personally other than the fact he wasn't getting the job done. Cop out? Hardly.

I get his point. My point is that rock bottom can be whatever you define it to be. If they turn it around and beat Auburn, win the bowl, and then win the NC next year, then L-Monroe is rock bottom.

If they lose to Auburn and don't even go to a bowl, then have a good season next year, then losing to Auburn six straight is rock bottom.

If they lose to Auburn and then have a Notre Dame year next year, then that is rock bottom.

If they just lose to Miss. State, then beat La-Monroe, Auburn, win a bowl, then losing to Miss. State is rock bottom.

Sorry, but how in the heck do you define rock bottom win you are currently still in free fall. They haven't bouced yet. They might this week. Who knows. Tell your team in private, fine. Just have some kind of media sense. And if you don't have media sense, fine, just don't lose to Miss State and La- Monroe two weeks in a row.

Mike Shula would have been fired two minutes after losing to La-Monroe after losing to Miss. State the week before. Not really, but he would have been completely ridiculed. This guy can't take any criticism.

I do think he is throwing the kids under the bus with all the not doing it the right way stuff. Who do you think he is refering to not doing it the right way? He sounds like Charlie Weis. I know what I am doing. The kids just don't get it.

Deaux, I have always respected everything that you have posted. And I still respect you point of view here. It is a valid point. I know it sounds like I am trashing it. I am being a little bit of a jerk, being a little bit Devil's advocate, little bit bored since football is over and need to do (type) something, but mainly just can't stand Saban. LOL.

Ok, on a side note, what is up with his side to side movement during the entire interview? Is he subconciencly dodging a bullet or is it a medical condition?

Silk we are just gonna have to agree to disagree. It's Thanksgiving and I feel like we are just going in circles.

I will say that if they lose to Auburn, speaking as a Bama fan, LA Monroe will still be the lowpoint of the season.

Although it won't happen, if he does pull a Notre Dame he can go ahead and pack his bags.




Sorry, but how in the heck do you define rock bottom win you are currently still in free fall.

Again I don't think it was about defining rock bottom. It was about doing the right thing, doing the kind of work that needs to be done to bounce back from a humiliating loss or one that can be perceived AT THE TIME as rock bottom.

Mike Shula would have been fired two minutes after losing to La-Monroe after losing to Miss. State the week before. Not really, but he would have been completely ridiculed.

No, really, he would've been fired and rightly so, if you are saying this was Shula's 5th year and not first. Heck, his first year he did do this. Lost to Northern Illinois and Ole Miss is back to back weeks.

I do think he is throwing the kids under the bus with all the not doing it the right way stuff. Who do you think he is refering to not doing it the right way? He sounds like Charlie Weis. I know what I am doing. The kids just don't get it.

He is referring to ones like DJ Hall who was suspended for Senior Day. He is referring to the textbook 5 who knew they were doing wrong. Had nothing to do with losing, but about doing the right thing and practicing like a champion.

, little bit bored since football is over and need to do (type) something, but mainly just can't stand Saban. LOL.

I understand totally. I got a busy weekend. In Fort Payne right now. Then go to Thanksgiving in my hometown. Then to Prattville to see Julio Jones try to upset the Lions. And then to Auburn. I'll probably be out of touch for awhile. This has been good though. I enjoy the back and forth banter and it stayed civil.

Good stuff and good for the board in my opinion. Have a good Thanksgiving.