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Post by John Knight on Mar 8, 2016 7:30:00 GMT -6
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Post by coachgtiller on Mar 8, 2016 7:51:35 GMT -6
I've been looking at overhauling out Pre-practice/game stretch routine, good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 8, 2016 8:32:54 GMT -6
If I was the weights teacher I would definitely do it. But since I'm not and a goon is teaching PE, no thanks. I don't even let them participate in PE on game days.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 8, 2016 13:14:13 GMT -6
We lifted this year for the first time on game days (just stuck to our M/W/F in-season schedule for all sports). No way of telling you whether it was beneficial, but none of the kids complained about being sore or weak in the game. Our basketball team has done it for the past few years (football would just take Friday off in the past) and a few of those guys swore they felt better/looser during games.
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Post by Inthesticks on Mar 8, 2016 13:38:04 GMT -6
I would think of this workout more as a warm up than a lift session....just my opinion if using 1/2 body weight on the lifts. Are there programs that are "lifting heavy" on game days?? If so, I'd be curious to see what the results and opinions of that are.
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Post by ryan45 on Mar 11, 2016 9:30:02 GMT -6
A game is a very high intensity training session in and of itself, so I would agree a "workout" on game day probably does not need to do anything but prime the athletes to move and perform at their highest level (dynamic warm-up).
Although there has been some interesting S&C research being published recently suggesting over-speed or assisted work has performance enhancing effects for a short period of time. So for example, assisted sprints ( running downhill, band assisted, etc.) could be used immediately before kick-off to increase speed to the ball. So that's just a thought about game day workouts or exercises that may help improve performance.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 11, 2016 10:47:10 GMT -6
I think lifting on game day could be fine or even beneficial.
But to me, there are too many procedural things to work out. Like what type of lift? Like when? Morning, afternoon, right before the game? Will everyone be able to do it? What about when a special pep rally or parade happens during lift time? What about Thursday games? What about away games? What about away games 3 hours away? What about state championship game that might be at noon and your team stayed in a hotel? Sure would hate to then not lift on that day even though you did it every other game.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 11, 2016 10:47:38 GMT -6
When is the "optimal" time for this kind of workout? 7:00am before school for 30 min? 3:30pm? 5:00? What about if you're away that week?
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Post by ryan45 on Mar 11, 2016 11:24:40 GMT -6
Lifting on game day can definitely be beneficial, although it can be a logistical challenge. To be of the most benefit, the workouts should act as a "warm-up" of sorts and be performed ~10 minutes before taking the field. Exercises performed should prime athletes to deliver as much force as possible in the shortest amount of time (i.e. A few singles at 85%+ of power cleans, explosive pulls, etc.). Keep volume low so as not to fatigue athletes, but intensity (weight) high to replicate game time conditions of repeatedly producing high forces in short amounts of time.
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Post by funkfriss on Mar 11, 2016 13:57:00 GMT -6
When is the "optimal" time for this kind of workout? 7:00am before school for 30 min? 3:30pm? 5:00? What about if you're away that week? The research that I have read showing performance to be enhanced shows that lifting weights (not just body weight or dynamics) and/or sprinting either earlier in the day (AM) or right before competition both seem to have advantageous effects on performance. "Performances" that were tested varied. Some were standard physical tests such as vertical, broad jump, 40 (or other running) time. Some were performance based stats such as shooting percentages on a basketball team. Of all these that I looked at (around 10 if I remember right....it's been a few years) none showed an adverse effect. Most found an increase in performance or at worst no change in performance. I will add that I have also looked at studies that tested performance following both static and dynamic stretching and every study I have read has shown that there is either a negative effect or at best an insignificant increase on performance. I'm banking on it as injury prevention, otherwise why do it?? Our in-season lifting schedule for other sports is M/W/F in the AM so we just decided last year to stay on schedule rather than change it or skip Friday altogether. Again, I can't tell you if it truly was better, just that none of our athletes complained or felt it hurt them. Some thought it helped. Who knows... |
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Post by **** on Mar 11, 2016 13:58:30 GMT -6
We always lift on game day. Really you should do some sort of Olympic lift, snatch is the best IMO. It helps prime your nervous system to move faster later in the day. Preferably before noon but being at the high school level that's not always possible.
Kids need to figure out what works best for them. Our RB wants to PR on game days, our LB wants a good work out but lifts lighter than normal.
RB was 2nd team all state
LB was 3rd team all state
Jordan is famous for intense workouts on gameday
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Post by realdawg on Mar 11, 2016 15:52:44 GMT -6
We do. About 3 sets of 3 on snatch or power clean. 3 sets of 5 on squats.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Mar 12, 2016 14:05:17 GMT -6
I read the thread title and initially thought "oh hell no."
And I read all the posts and links and thought "oh hell yeah."
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Post by CoachHess on Mar 12, 2016 19:22:54 GMT -6
Have for 3 years. No injuries or any concerns. Basketball does to. It's mental. Wish I could tag Coach Vanderbush to this thread. They lift on the day of state title games. Again, it's all mental.
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 12, 2016 19:55:31 GMT -6
Have for 3 years. No injuries or any concerns. Basketball does to. It's mental. Wish I could tag Coach Vanderbush to this thread. They lift on the day of state title games. Again, it's all mental. We do, too. Come in at 6:30am, get some Cleans and a few other auxiliary exercises in, compete in some way, get a good lather, get out. |
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Post by realdawg on Mar 13, 2016 6:15:28 GMT -6
Oh another reason for doing it thats really important-when you get kids that play other sports during the off season, you can get them to lift on their game day bc-"football lifts the days that they play" Now again, we dont kill them on the day of their game, but they get in about half the sets that we are doing that day and something has to be better than nothing.
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Post by CoachHess on Mar 13, 2016 8:08:46 GMT -6
Oh another reason for doing it thats really important-when you get kids that play other sports during the off season, you can get them to lift on their game day bc-"football lifts the days that they play" Now again, we dont kill them on the day of their game, but they get in about half the sets that we are doing that day and something has to be better than nothing. Good point. Since we have it as an advanced PE class, all kids do the same workouts during school hours. Basketball lifts on game day just as football does, just as baseball does, just as track does. No complaining from coaches about us playing favorites. Workouts don't change regardless of game day or not. Only thing we avoid is a max lift on game day. If we are testing for new maxes, end of every 9 weeks is max week, we will look at game schedules and not schedule a bench/squat/clean max on the day of a game. That will be a 40/vert/pro agility/broad jump max day, which is split into 2 days of the max week. Not the only answer, but it works for us. |
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Post by ahall005 on Mar 13, 2016 12:36:53 GMT -6
If you can't do it before school would you do it right after school or would you not do it all if you cant get the kids in there before school?
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Post by silkyice on Mar 13, 2016 13:11:47 GMT -6
Have for 3 years. No injuries or any concerns. Basketball does to. It's mental. Wish I could tag Coach Vanderbush to this thread. They lift on the day of state title games. Again, it's all mental. We do, too. Come in at 6:30am, get some Cleans and a few other auxiliary exercises in, compete in some way, get a good lather, get out. Again, I think on game day is fine and possibily even beneficial. But not sure if I want to make the kids get to school 1.5 hours earlier on game day than they have to. Again, to me the biggest problem is logistics. |
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 13, 2016 16:25:59 GMT -6
We do, too. Come in at 6:30am, get some Cleans and a few other auxiliary exercises in, compete in some way, get a good lather, get out. Again, I think on game day is fine and possibily even beneficial. But not sure if I want to make the kids get to school 1.5 hours earlier on game day than they have to. Again, to me the biggest problem is logistics. I get that. We lift zero period before school, so it's just part of the same routine. Most of our boys get to leave school an hour early m and go home and nap before practice/games. |
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Post by coachb0 on Mar 13, 2016 16:50:34 GMT -6
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