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Post by gamedog on Jul 8, 2007 20:51:15 GMT -6
Took the kids to see Grandmom this past week (8 hours in a vehicle with a wife and three kids under 8 was fun) and stopped in on 8 coaching friends along the way.
6 of the 8 friends run the spread and ALL 6 were full, blown coaching their offense with their skill guys when I stopped by.
The 2 that run the I or the Dead T were just doing normal summer weights and running with their kids.
Why do spread guys seem to "cheat" more than others in Texas?
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Post by ajreaper on Jul 8, 2007 20:54:26 GMT -6
Working for 7 on 7 games? How is that not legal?
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Post by tog on Jul 8, 2007 20:55:17 GMT -6
define cheat?
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Post by gamedog on Jul 8, 2007 20:58:00 GMT -6
lol
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Post by tog on Jul 8, 2007 21:03:50 GMT -6
as a hs ol
i made conrad dobler look like an amateur
now
i don't teach it like that to our ol
but if they figure out the WIT attitude on their own
i don't slow them down too much
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Post by briangilbert on Jul 8, 2007 21:12:05 GMT -6
So what? Basketball and Baseball is year round... So is Soccer...
The 4th is passed as far as I'm concerned it's football season.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 8, 2007 21:12:52 GMT -6
I have no problem with that. But having the staff coaching concepts and recognition on the field is a little over the line imo.
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Post by brophy on Jul 8, 2007 21:17:06 GMT -6
what if you send them home with game clips?
playbooks?
where do you draw the line?
If the kids come out, you can't fault the coaches for giving them stimuli.....but most kids don't want to practice handoffs for an hour....they WILL spend 2 hours on their own catching & throwing the ball.
it is what it is.
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Post by tog on Jul 8, 2007 21:23:04 GMT -6
well
to gamedog's defense
it is kinda illegal for coaches to be coaching 7on7 stuff in texas in the summer
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Post by wildcat on Jul 8, 2007 21:23:27 GMT -6
What are the rules for summer contact? In Illinois, we get 25 days to hold practices during the summer. Many, if not most schools will even pad up during these days and it is perfectly legal (provided you are not scrimmaging other teams).
What a lot of schools here do is hold illegal spring practices before summer. They advertise these as "open gyms" or "speed, agility, and quickness" sessions, but, in reality, they are often running pass routes and coaching up the kids well before the summer contact period begins.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 8, 2007 21:27:51 GMT -6
in nor cal they have gotten rid of all rules, so many teams were cheating that our section got rid of summer rules, in summer anything goes now, from last day of school until mid august when "conditioning week and double days" start. we can go full gear everyday if we want to
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Post by CVBears on Jul 8, 2007 23:07:13 GMT -6
well to gamedog's defense it is kinda illegal for coaches to be coaching 7on7 stuff in texas in the summer with that said, yes, I believe that gamedog has a right to be bothered. as long as "kinda" means "completely". |
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Post by tog on Jul 9, 2007 10:36:51 GMT -6
kinda means
it depends on who you are
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Post by seagull73 on Jul 9, 2007 11:13:00 GMT -6
In Maryland you get zero days of practice from the day your season is over until the 1st official day of practice on Aug 15th. You can't chalk talk, watch video, play catch, or even wear school owned jerseys or use school owned balls for 7 on 7.
We are a complete joke as far as off-season work is concerned. So do most (not all) coaches "cheat"? Of course! How can you not cheat & still be ready.
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Post by coache67 on Jul 9, 2007 11:14:20 GMT -6
^^^^^^^ What kind of offseason does the state allow for lacrosse?
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Post by coachcb on Jul 9, 2007 11:37:25 GMT -6
One nice thing about hanging your hat on some type of passing attack; your QBs and WRs can rep it all summer long. Even if you've just got a QB and a couple WRs in the backyard- they can rep the attack a lot.
I wouldn't call it cheating; just one of the perks of running that specific attack.
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Post by wingman on Jul 9, 2007 12:26:06 GMT -6
I would think that a spread offense can get a lot done with receivers and qbs wheras a doublewing or run oriented offense has more of a need for a defense, live defenders , lineplay etc so they weren't on the field. We're a SBv and we do run the offense in shorts , thud speed 3 times a week. Perfectly legal here.
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Post by tvt50 on Jul 9, 2007 14:31:42 GMT -6
A friend once told me, "If you aint cheatin', You aint tryin'" I guess your friends live by this philosophy.
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Post by gamedog on Jul 9, 2007 14:37:23 GMT -6
What several of you guys seem to be missing is this: The coaches are there running their offense. In Texas this is against the rules. If the kids want to do it, then that is great.
Tog is right when he says "kinda" means it depends on who you are though. lol
I knew this topic would get the spreadsters dander up.
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Post by jhanawa on Jul 9, 2007 15:20:27 GMT -6
Forget the practicing, I want to know how you got your wife to agree to stop and see EIGHT different coaching staffs?  ?  Is it different in Texas, do you exchange playbooks at the wedding instead of rings....LOL  |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 9, 2007 18:08:14 GMT -6
There should be no "kinda" That is a B.S. answer (no offense tog) Cheating is Cheating. Period. If coaches contact is not allowed, then they are violating the rules, and should be reported.
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Post by tog on Jul 9, 2007 18:13:52 GMT -6
i agree
but the system is more complex than that
the people that would be reported are teflon so it won't do anything to you
and if you did report people and it got back that you were the one that reported---that's even worse than getting caught
we just choose to follow the rules ourselves and have an ex player, or an old retired coach help out with the team
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Post by dubber on Jul 9, 2007 19:38:41 GMT -6
Forget the practicing, I want to know how you got your wife to agree to stop and see EIGHT different coaching staffs? ? Is it different in Texas, do you exchange playbooks at the wedding instead of rings....LOL That's the girl you need! |
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Post by dolomite on Jul 9, 2007 20:00:11 GMT -6
What are the rules for summer contact? In Illinois, we get 25 days to hold practices during the summer. Many, if not most schools will even pad up during these days and it is perfectly legal (provided you are not scrimmaging other teams). What a lot of schools here do is hold illegal spring practices before summer. They advertise these as "open gyms" or "speed, agility, and quickness" sessions, but, in reality, they are often running pass routes and coaching up the kids well before the summer contact period begins. ala- springfield-sh-g |
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Post by gamedog on Jul 9, 2007 20:12:33 GMT -6
Forget the practicing, I want to know how you got your wife to agree to stop and see EIGHT different coaching staffs? ? Is it different in Texas, do you exchange playbooks at the wedding instead of rings....LOL Three of them were stops to let the kids run around and stuff. The others were all within 30 minutes of my mom's house, so I hit one each morning.....plus my wife is great about that kinda stuff. |
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Post by CoachDaniel on Jul 9, 2007 20:33:58 GMT -6
I believe, in the great state of Virginia, that the person who is responsible for reporting illegal practices would be the AD. And since most of the ADs around here are basketball coaches, they don't have time to report violations during the summer because they've got practice.
All you can do is run a clean program, you can't change what other people do. You're preaching character and developing men to your kids, then you're cheating. Not the way I'd do it.
Congratulations on winning the wife lottery, gamedog
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Post by tog on Jul 9, 2007 20:38:24 GMT -6
most ad's are basketball guys?
dang!
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Post by marboo59 on Jul 10, 2007 6:26:42 GMT -6
In Kansas we can work with 3 kids at a time. If you get the kids to come in by now, which they are they are running the offense without any coach there, it can pay off later. We are allowed a one week team camp but no helmets or pads. If you preach Character and all that good stuff like most coaches do how do some of you guys sleep that are coaching them up during the summers and spring. There is a certain coach in Kansas that has turned a program around and has one 3 or 4 titles in a row and I know he has kids in these "open gym" times in the morning during the winter practicing steps and handoffs. That is not a smear when it comes straight out of the guys mouth.
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Post by wpialoline on Jul 10, 2007 6:53:43 GMT -6
In Pa. there are 7 on 7 leagues all summer. High Schools host them along with some of the major universities
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Post by davecisar on Jul 10, 2007 6:59:38 GMT -6
Sure
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Is it different in Texas, do you exchange playbooks at the wedding instead of rings....LOL 
