coach24
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Post by coach24 on Feb 18, 2008 13:20:03 GMT -6
HAs anyone kicked there team out of practice before? Just want to get your feeling. I have. I thought it would motivate the kids to come back and work harder. I thought it worked because we had the best practice the following day. Everyone went hard. I would like to hear your feelings. Thanks
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 18, 2008 13:22:40 GMT -6
Yes. I don't know if it had any impact or not, but I just couldn't watch them slog their way through it half heartedly.
We (the coaching staff) had agreed though to let them out early if they had a good practice, or kick them out if they sucked. They sucked.
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coach24
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Post by coach24 on Feb 18, 2008 13:26:30 GMT -6
I did the same. Now we have this website where kids go on and some parents do to talk about there coaches and just rip them apart. I would love to let them know how i really felt. I walked into a crappy situation. The senior never bought into my system. Now the younger kids are.
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Post by airraider on Feb 18, 2008 13:57:02 GMT -6
On a different note.. had the bad game when in high school.. coach told us.. you better get a good weekend of rest because Monday we are going to find out who really wants to be on this team.. and if you dont show up.. then dont ever come back..
we show up and we scrimmage all practice.. which everyone loves..
just pulled a big bluff on the wanna be's.
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Post by brophy on Feb 18, 2008 14:25:01 GMT -6
never kicked the team out of practice (have kicked players out for lack of effort)...but I have been a part of / and have done this as a coach....we just STARTED OVER completely from the top (warm ups)
I remember in college, we started practice over 3 times.....that sucked.
This coach in college, also had us doing Oklahoma drill before a game because he was {censored}.
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Post by phantom on Feb 18, 2008 15:20:08 GMT -6
never kicked the team out of practice (have kicked players out for lack of effort)...but I have been a part of / and have done this as a coach....we just STARTED OVER completely from the top (warm ups) I remember in college, we started practice over 3 times.....that sucked. This coach in college, also had us doing Oklahoma drill before a game because he was {censored}. We've kicked them out before and did it every few years. Now we do what Brophy said, we start over. We don't have lights and that can be problematic later in the season when really crappy practices are likely to happen. The time when we had coaches and whatever parents were there pull their cars up to the field and light thye field with their headlights got their attention.
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Post by briangilbert on Feb 18, 2008 17:09:39 GMT -6
My High School coach did this 3 times when I was a sophmore in HS. He just walked out on the practice and told us we sucked. We finished that season 2-8 and probably should have finished about 4-6.
Was it effective?
No, it only made us disrespect him more.
If you have to kick your team off the field to motivate them, then the problem may be your relationship with your players. If the kids really respected you and wanted to play for you, they wouldn't be that unmotivated to practice. I'd take a hard look in the mirror at your coaching and ability to relate to the kids you coach.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by bulldogoption on Feb 18, 2008 20:31:08 GMT -6
I came VERY close to doing this once....my assistant coach talked me out of it. In hindsight, it was probably a good idea NOT to. That team did not have the desire to get better and kicking them out would have just been a night off for them......i.e. they wouldn't have seen the connection between missing practice and missing the opportunity to improve. If you have a team with that desire to improve/succeed, I think it could work well.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 18, 2008 21:19:53 GMT -6
If you don't want honest answers to things, then do not ask but here is my opinion and that is all it is:
Changed my post, so here it is:
Not a good idea.
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iso
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Post by iso on Feb 18, 2008 21:32:17 GMT -6
When our kids don't seem to want to practice, my gut usually tells me that they would rather be somewhere else. We call them together, discuss the situation . . . give anyone that wants to leave the opportunity to go (with the afore mentioned understanding that they will never return).
Sometimes practice picks up - sometimes not, but sending them home seems to be playing into their hands . . . if they choose to lose, at least we've fulfilled our commitment to them.
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Post by hchscoachtom on Feb 18, 2008 22:14:13 GMT -6
never kicked the team out of practice (have kicked players out for lack of effort)...but I have been a part of / and have done this as a coach....we just STARTED OVER completely from the top (warm ups) Reminds me of what I once read a quote by Lou Holtz. "We are going to have 2 hours of good practice, even if it takes us 6."
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Post by brophy on Feb 19, 2008 5:00:26 GMT -6
i would just say that I would agree with the gentlemen that cautioned about this being a bad idea.
This is a cheap and inefficient psychological mind game (read power struggle). "turn it on" / "turn it off" mentality doesn't work, and we all have to look at these issues as symptoms and not the ailment.
Kids not motivated? Kids not efforting well? Is there a better way to redirect the energy / focus without blowing an entire practice?
Do we all do things perfect? I doubt it. I think the further we get from being motivated by emotions, the more level-headed and pragmatic our solutions become.
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Post by barnone on Feb 19, 2008 9:21:42 GMT -6
My HS coached started us over from streching 4 times one day. We didn't have lights, but a lot of parents came and watched practic, (kind of practiced in a hole), so they moved thier cars and turned the headlights on. Practice from 3 to about 10:30 that night.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 19, 2008 10:15:00 GMT -6
This coach in college, also had us doing Oklahoma drill before a game because he was {censored}. LOL, one time before a JV game at the end of the season, we were on the road. We had gotten to the game a little early and got finished warming up with WAY too much time left. The HJV coach decided to do BULL IN THE RING. Our good ole country boys LOVED it. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the other team. You would have thought we were sacrificing goats in the end zone or somethings. We drug them that night.
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Post by thunder17 on Feb 19, 2008 10:20:01 GMT -6
We have started over a few times but never kicked kids off the field. You start over a few times and they realize that they would rather get it right the first time. I was a varsity assistant in baseball for a little while and our head coach was hitting outfield/infield a couple of days before regionals. They missed the cut-off a few times and he just dropped his fungo and walked off the field. The gate to get back into the school was in center field so he took a good five minutes to leave with everyone just standing there watching him walk out. I ran the rest of practice and when I got back to the locker room the HC asked if the practice was better when he left. I said yes and he said good, never talked about it again. That team won the state title. Did the fact that the HC walked out of a practice make a difference in the title run? Probably not. But the look on the kids faces as he left the field was priceless.
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Post by marboo59 on Feb 19, 2008 10:42:33 GMT -6
Didn't kick them out of practice, but with 15 minutes left at a horrible practice, I left. We were feeling sorry for ourselves after a close loss to a rival and the mood was not good. Simply told them if they didn't want to to jump back on the saddle that i was not gonna waste my time coaching my ass off, and watch them sulk all day. Must have worked because i have never had so much hitting at a practice the next day.
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coach24
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Post by coach24 on Feb 19, 2008 11:06:22 GMT -6
I guess part of the reason i kicked them out is because of there loyalty to the old coach. I felt that i had to fight with them to listen to me. It also hurts when the old coach still talks to the kids and tells them you have no idea what you are talking about. I dont know how many times i have heard the kids say we should run this play or that play because we did it under the old coach. I finally had it and said kick the hell out, go home and make a decsion if you want to be apart of my program. I couldn't believe they came back the next day. THis was mainly to all the seniors. The underclassman are buying in to my program. I do like the idea of starting over right from the start.
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Post by coachbw on Feb 19, 2008 12:20:41 GMT -6
I have never ended a practice. I have restarted a practice from the very beginning. I have also had the kids go in take off their game uniforms (which we wear during practice the day before the game) put on their practice gear and switch fields.
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Post by coachdl on Feb 19, 2008 12:27:42 GMT -6
Mike Holmgren walked out his practice(s) and won a super bowl.
We all have tossed players out. I have even tossed a few coaches out for a week. The reasons for such drastic measures are simple (energy/enthusiasm-items that the person can control). We as coaches make the punishment far too drastic sometimes.
Personally, I would have thrown all the seniors out or kicked them off the team. I would have had a very simple one-way chat with the former.
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Post by jwp on Feb 19, 2008 13:02:32 GMT -6
To each his own, we all have to coach to our personalities and coaching styles. This can work, cause I have seen it work. I'm sure it can backfire. Just depends on your kids.
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Post by coachweav88 on Feb 19, 2008 16:03:57 GMT -6
My high school coach walked off the field when I was a senior. For me personally, it was a motivator because I wanted to improve. I don't know about the rest of the team though.
I know he's not a football coach, but John Wooden would end practice if his team's intensity wasn't where it needed to be. What he was trying to do was get his players to view practice as privilege. It's a privilege he took away if they didn't perform to the best of their ability. I like that aspect of kicking a team out of practice. The man won 10 championships in 12 years, so I think he knew what he was doing.
For the team that I coached for last year, I don't know if that would work with them. They'd just be happy that they got out of practice early. They really never saw practice as a privilege. It was just one of the multiple things that they could be doing at the moment. Football wasn't special to them. It was on par with just going out and hanging out with their friends. If it wasn't entertaining, they didn't want to be doing it. So for them, getting kicked out of practice would be a blessing.
The other issue I have is do you kick them out of practice again if the intensity still isn't there? For instance, you kick them out of practice on Tuesday, they aren't intense again on wednesday do you kick them out again? So if you've lost 2 days of practice, what are you supposed to do on Friday? I guess it's a gamble because if you kick them out of practice and it fails, then what do you do at that point?
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Post by ramsoc on Feb 19, 2008 16:26:03 GMT -6
At least once a year in high school, our coach walked out as we waited in our warmup lines, started us up and then bout 2 minutes later told us to get out... pissed us off...
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Post by coachmoore42 on Feb 19, 2008 16:33:15 GMT -6
Didn't kick them out of practice, but with 15 minutes left at a horrible practice, I left. We did something similar about 4 years ago. We just left... We said "you are being completely uncoachable, you guys should try coaching each other". We walked off and perched ourselves out of sight of the kids, but where we could still supervise them. They stood around and talked for a few minutes and then started running though the plays. After they had gotten back to their expected execution of the plays they ended that portion and proceeded to finish practice with some conditioning, just as we normally did. It easily could've backfired, but we weren't getting anywhere at the time anyway. It brought them closer as a team. It also made them understand where we were coming from as coaches. There were middle school kids by the way.
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Post by chuff on Feb 19, 2008 18:52:10 GMT -6
Reminds me of what I once read a quote by Lou Holtz. "We are going to have 2 hours of good practice, even if it takes us 6."
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This brings up another topic: Practicing "until we get it right." How many believe in this? I personally have not been a big fan. I see it as my responsibility to find a way to get the job done in the time alloted. I generally don't like to keep the kids after practice for the simple fact that my credibility is on the line. When I say that practice will end at a particular time, then it ought to. I think that parents appreciate that as well.
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Post by airman on Feb 19, 2008 18:58:01 GMT -6
never have kicked a team out of practice. we have had bad days, we just go inside the small gym we have on campus and play dodge ball. some times you need fun days like this i have found.
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Post by bulldogoption on Feb 19, 2008 21:21:01 GMT -6
I would NOT suggest leaving a practice as a coach. We are responsible for the kids. I watched a coach get fed up and walk out of practice................................HE WAS PUT ON SUSPENSION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON, THEN HE WAS FIRED
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Post by coachorr on Feb 19, 2008 23:41:08 GMT -6
I thought about putting my original comment backup, which I took off, because sometimes we say things we regret and when it is in print it is very hard to take back.
My thoughts are that a coach who needs to pull power plays has a low sense of self worth (Not that I don't at times). The problem is when you make kids feel like crap, it doesn't benefit anyone.
If you were divorcing your spouse would you blame it on the kids? No, so if practice is going poorly why would you blame it on the kids?
I would argue that nine times out of ten it is the coach who has the problem and it usually boils down to A. a lack of awareness of the players and the team and creativity or B. low self esteem and a need to play mind games into getting the kids to do what it is you want them to do. Poor work ethic comes from low expectations, lack of enthusiasm, and boredom/monotony.
Often times, length of practice is only to benefit the coach who cannot let any stone go unturned. I found I got better at tests in college with a good night's rest. Cramming and pushing did me little if any good; however, a conscientious long term effort to study daily for the long haul allowed me to rest easy the night before.
Just because a schedule says three hours doesn't always make it so. Vision and planning only do so good if the short term is all that matters.
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Post by Rooster on Feb 20, 2008 8:10:10 GMT -6
My college coach used to send us in the locker room. sometimes he came and got us to come back out, sometimes we just sat in there until end of practice. Happened 2-3 times a year.
We have left and let the kids practice themselves. (like twice in 2 years) Worked out okay.
A few years ago we got beat every year in the region final by the same team. 3 years in a row. The 4th year they were just as good. We were playing neck and neck with them at the half. We went down behind the stadium for halftime, and they were a good bit ways from us on the practice field. Their coach was a hollering and screaming at them for lack of effort and so forth... He then had them running sprints... Our headcoach looked at our kids and said"hell you could be playing for him"...... Long story short we won the game.. Priceless..
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Post by coachweav88 on Feb 20, 2008 12:10:12 GMT -6
Poor work ethic comes from low expectations, lack of enthusiasm, and boredom/monotony. That's a good point.
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Post by coachorr on Feb 20, 2008 13:10:15 GMT -6
Note: I was a part of this last year and it was for the reasons I mentioned above. That is not to say that a coach might do it in a fashion that is not berating to kids.
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