baraboo99
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Post by baraboo99 on May 22, 2006 7:38:25 GMT -6
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Post by cqmiller on May 22, 2006 7:43:54 GMT -6
In Utah, there are only 2 private schools. Both of them are 3-A (5-A is the biggest). There is always complaining about the private schools "recruiting". I coach at a public school, and my brother is an all-state QB at one of the private schools. Anybody who wants to pay his tuition, should be able to go wherever they want. (His HS tuition for 1 year was 2 years of my college tuition)
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Post by coachdawhip on May 22, 2006 7:58:18 GMT -6
Well tog, the reason we have a mutliplier for the private schools is because about 6 years ago the Speaker of the GA House's grandaughter debate team lost 2 years in a row in the finals to a private school. He was so pissed that he put the mutliplier into law.
While, they don't normally win state, they do go 10-2 every year and if your not at one of the premier schools you will have a hard time beating them. It's not a year that goes by they don't have a chance at winning state
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Post by coachdawhip on May 22, 2006 7:59:41 GMT -6
In GA, all you need is a bonafide move, and well we know how easy that is, esp. if your in the Atlanta newspaper telling schools you are looking to play football somewhere and you just had 1400 yards on a team that went 0-10
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coachpodach
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Post by coachpodach on May 22, 2006 9:41:39 GMT -6
In Ohio we are all together...our school is a D6 (smallest enrollment) we field 35 guys (9-12Grades). We are at a disadvantage because we do not have the resources for "special needs" students. I am by no means saying that Football players are dumb, but as many of you will attest, sometimes the best players aren't the best students. We seem to be losing some of our better athletes to surrounding public schools if they can't quite hack the academics on the own. We have tried to stop this trend by setting up a homework table, where our guys work on homework together, and we as coaches provide assistance, but there is only so much we can do.
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Post by hawkcoach on May 22, 2006 10:04:03 GMT -6
Alabama uses the 1.35 multiplier for schools that want to play in the AHSAA. We also have an AISA for private schools only. In football, we do not have very many private school powerhouses, but many that are very competitive. So, I think the multiplier has worked out well in our state.
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Post by coachhortman on May 22, 2006 11:18:43 GMT -6
In Response to CoachD5085 about his assessment of Evangel in La and the continued success of the school in football. I will say that being part of the program, many of the coaches' sons played a big part in the success of the program early years. Coach Booty has moved on to another private school, Coach Barefield has moved on to the arena football league, and Coach Dunn pursued a job at the college level this past winter after ECA won the 1A championship. Most of the coaches are still here after their sons completed ECA. We have a very balanced staff and have coached for many years. Our youth league is very strong and they learn the passing game at a young age. Five of the kids that were part of our team last year moved to Shreveport after Katrina and only two of them made a major impact on our team. For many years ECA was the only school in this area passing the ball which excited kids to play. We have our program do 7 on 7 touraments in the summer to perfect our passing game and secondary coverages. We stay in the weight room year round except for finals week and Xmas to ensure our kids stay strong. We push them to their physical limit as a player and I am not saying other schools do not, I am sure they do. One of the reasons I beleive that we are successful is 90 percent of our kids have played in our system since grade school and the staff for the most part has stayed intact since 1993. ECA also has played on TV before and that is a drawing card for some kids, the fact that we played people like Lufkin , Southlake Caroll and Longview make us better as a team. We believe in playing the best in order to compete at a very high level. Since I graduated from a small private school myself, 80 percent of my school played football too. Now it is the same at this school, everyone is friends so it is a common bond to play football. I am not going to apologize for our school being successful but I will say all the factors above has been a part of the success. Being successful brings kids and parents to be part of something good. Good Luck to all whom work so hard on the playing field
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ndcoach
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Post by ndcoach on May 22, 2006 15:15:53 GMT -6
North Dakota is similar to South Dakota in that the public and private schools are lumped together. Classification for football is based on male enrollment. In ND it would not make sense to have the private schools seperate, as there is only 7 in the state (Fargo Shanley and Bismarck St. Mary's in AAA [largets class], Fargo Oak Grove, MInot Ryan, and Dickinson Trinity in AA and Shiloh Christian (Bismarck) in 9 - Man. Trinity Christian in Williston is the other but I believe they Co-op with Williston High)
In football the private schools are not any more dominant than any other school. Dickinson Trinty had a run where they made a couple of title games but lost each time to Cavalier. But all those schools have not been very competitive in the last decade. In comparison, class A school Velva has won 3 straight state titles and 5 of the last 6.
The only place people complain about private schools is Class B (smaller of the two classes) basketball where Dickinson Trinity has made the state tournament for 7 straight years, where most towns would kill to make it once a decade.
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Post by airman on May 22, 2006 15:42:08 GMT -6
this rule came into effect because of public schools. oak creek, a wisconsin power house, was raiding the best milwaukee city school kids. the 4 best kids from milwuakee bradley tech just happened to all get up and transfer to the same schools. also, two schools in the west central part of the state had to forfiet their hockey games because of illegal transfers. be interesting to see in wisconsin how this works because we are a open enrollment state.
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Post by los on May 22, 2006 17:22:17 GMT -6
I stand corrected on those middle and north ga. schools Whip, being way down here in south georgia we forget ya'll are part of the state up there! lol. Actually, over the past 30 years I've lived down here in the southern part of the state, I haven't seen any big moves to play across the separate associations, if anything we're more separate than ever(not neccessarily a good thing), probably different up where you are though. But yeah, like tog said, I was talking about winning state championships in football mostly, don't know much about the other sports. When I think of perenniel winners in football, I think of Lincoln, Clinch, Early, Dougherty, Peach, TCC., Valdosta, Lowndes, Camden, teams like that in the public system Whip. Just my short list, I'm sure everyone has their own favorites.
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Post by groundchuck on May 22, 2006 19:05:49 GMT -6
this rule came into effect because of public schools. oak creek, a wisconsin power house, was raiding the best milwaukee city school kids. the 4 best kids from milwuakee bradley tech just happened to all get up and transfer to the same schools. also, two schools in the west central part of the state had to forfiet their hockey games because of illegal transfers. be interesting to see in wisconsin how this works because we are a open enrollment state. I think that is fair. If a kid has to move because his family is moving or other extenuating circumstances that is acceptable. It is those kids and parents who just shop around that gives publics and privates a bad name. In Minnesota they are talking about imposing a rule regarding transferring which would force a student-athlete who open enrolls elsewhere to still play sports for the school in the district where they reside. Currently, unless you move with parent/guardian, you get one transfer. After that you sit out half the games in all sports for the next season. And if you move during the school year you sit out half the contests as well.
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Post by airman on May 22, 2006 19:10:11 GMT -6
i guess my idea is how do you define a transfer. if I go to john Q public high school and all of a sudden I decide to attend a private school. I do not consider that a transfer. I see that as using school choice.
what I see is a transfer is when public school kids just up and move. milwaukee has this problem. they have no boundries. chicago has the same issue.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 25, 2006 8:53:06 GMT -6
Coach Horton. I indeed congatulate you guys on all the success. NO ONE can take away the fact that you guys have been the premier football program in the state in the last decade or so.
However, I do find it interesting that (and for those on the board not from LA, this is quite often the case with Evangel) when presented with simple facts, Evangel fans begin to take a very defensive posture towards their program and rarely address the facts presented.
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tedseay
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Post by tedseay on May 26, 2006 3:57:31 GMT -6
WHAT, is the capital of Assyria? Most people will say Nineveh, but the original capital was the city-state of Aššur, named after the local deity. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tog on May 26, 2006 5:34:05 GMT -6
WHAT, is the capital of Assyria? Most people will say Nineveh, but the original capital was the city-state of Aššur, named after the local deity. ;D ;D ;D ok ted WHAT is your favorite color?
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Post by blb on May 26, 2006 6:35:29 GMT -6
WHAT is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
...looks like there's dirty work afoot.
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Post by tog on May 26, 2006 6:54:57 GMT -6
WHAT is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? . african or european? ok back to football boys
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Post by ttowntiger on May 26, 2006 8:37:33 GMT -6
In Alabama, UMS Wright, a private school is a power in 4, along with Trinity Presbyterian and Briarwood Christian in 5A. I think there are 2 types of recruiting. The first type is when a coach directly contacts players about playing for him. This type of recruiting I detest and believe is unethical, especially if financial aid is offered. The second type of "recruitmenT' is that your program just sells itself every year and attracts top players because of past success, wide open style of play, etc. I think Evangel's success may have had more to do with the latter, although I can't say for sure.
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