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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 6, 2015 23:38:07 GMT -6
**Sorry for the length**
I believe I've mentioned before that we have an older guy on our staff who isn't exactly up-to-par with the current game of football. If you throw it more than once a half, you might as well just sound the air raid sirens, and line up in quads and chuck it 80 times a game. He's been coaching since the late 80's. Every suggestion he makes is something that this team ran somewhere between 1989 and 2003, when there were something like, 4 HC's and they were all wishbone teams. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just making a statement that this is what the teams were. And they weren't very good at it, at all.
For the last 2 seasons, we've been all no-huddle (something that has never been done in this schools 50+ year history.) And the older guy thinks if you get more than 2 plays off in a minute, you're just going Oregon fast. And to him, "that aint' real football."
Anyway, I've done the JV offense for the last 2 seasons, along with another asst, who is one of my very best friends. And our JV DC is also one of my best friends. Our JV team isn't much of a JV team, it's a freshman team. JV games are just easier to schedule. We had a game coming up against a team that was just awful. Their next talented group of kids coming through their system might still be in elementary school. Area was hit hard with the recession and the population has vanished and it's kind of gotten to be a sad situation for them. It's a game that we should win, but it would be a close game.
Our HC, varsity OC and DC and STC all do varsity film during JV time. Our asst JV OC was at a teachers conference that was required and 2 hours away. We didn't want to pull any coaches from film because our game coming up was a pretty important game against the best team we had played so far. I woke up, and felt like death. Couldn't keep anything down. I had an involuntary loss of fluids, either end, 16 times between 6am and noon. I called the doc, and the only time they could get me in would be towards the end of their day, which is when the JV game would kickoff. Our JV DC was also at the same teachers conference 2 hours away. I was caught on what to do, because I couldn't leave the entire JV team with our older guy, but I couldn't not go to the doctor.
So I rallied, and made a call sheet for the guy and just had our base stuff on it. Rocket, counter, trap, power, and a handful of throws. Our JV team doesn't run any of our reads, triple or RPO's. We're a Faster than the Fly team, and we don't have a TE for JV. I take out all the stuff they can't run, because it just cleans up the sheet a whole lot. I do it for myself, because it's a lot easier to see what there is when it's not crowded with stuff that can't be done. I email it to him. He responds: Is rocket the same thing as toss???
I inform him it is, and then go back to a fever dream nap in which my teeth fall out and my GF leaves me.
I go to the doctor, and while I'm in the exam room, a kid texts me "Hey, um, they're running wishbone ISO. It's not going well. They haven't had a positive yard in 3 series."
I get out of the office, and hurry over to the school. And I'm getting on the sidelines, he burns a timeout on 3rd and 1 with 5 seconds left in the 1st half. We're down 21-0. He uses the TO just to scream at them for nothing being good at football. He then calls a play, he doesn't give them a color-number combination, he just calls a straight play. He almost foaming at the mouth, and just barks out "22-51-T Pipe W Corner" and storms off. The kids don't know this play. Heck, I don't know this play. Or this formation. I don't even think this is a real thing. They ask him what that means, just comes back, just to yell "22-51-T Pipe W Corner!!!!!" at them before storming off again. I have to intervene and call a 2nd time out. He's livid by this time, just losing his mind, and I successfully push him away from the huddle and call trap. We get to the half.
The kids go in the locker room and he's still just absolutely losing his crap over that last play. "Them dumb kids don't know a dang thing. I'm giving them a good play, and they're too stupid to run it. Can't even run ISO. Didn't know how to line up the wishbone. Idiots..... idiots...."
So I say "Man, I don't know that play either." He proceeds to belittle me, which I'm fine with. If that's what he needs to feel good about himself, that's fine. I've been called worse. However, when he says that I should be fired because I don't know what I'm doing, I take offense to that. I keep pressing him about the play, what it is, what his terminology means.
Turns out: 22 is a formation from 2001 that was for 2x2. 51 was a 5 step pass to the left, from 1994. T pipe was when the T ran a seam to split the 2 high safety (we were playing a 1 high team, but that's neither here nor there), but it was from 1996. We call our T an F. And W corner was a corner from the playside wing, from 2008. Obviously, none of our kids were on the teams that used these terms, and none of our coaching staff was here when these terms were used. Heck, almost our entire staff was still in school for those years, and I don't mean college.
He never really accepted that he was just making up something on the spot, with terms from 4 different HC's he's worked under at this school. He still blamed the kids for not knowing what he meant to say.
I take over the O, and let him have the defense. We battle back, score 3 TDs and get 3 2pt conversions. We end up losing 27-24 because we just couldn't punch it in at the very end. Parents came up, told me that they were proud of how the O battled back, and things like that.
I go back in our office, and the older guy is sitting there, scowling. "You ruined it! You should have scored at the end! And if you ever tell me that I don't know how to call a play to these kids again, it won't be pretty." I've never seen this side to him before, he's always be a very excitable person, but never mean or violent. Maybe sometimes a jerk when he gets flustered, but a lot of people are like that. So, I throw my hands up and say "Listen, I got us back into the game. I'm going home to have a beer, I'll see you tomorrow."
I get a call that night from our HC, asking what happened. Apparently this guy told him that he got us back into the game in the 2nd half, no thanks to me. And that I was telling parents that he was stupid and everything like that. Which our HC knew was bull, because I don't like talking to 90% of our parents. So, I tell him what happened, and how thing played out, and he isn't surprised. The three of us sit down before practice the next day, and he's still extremely defensive about it all. When our HC just basically says "we don't run that play, and we don't use any of those terms" and complains that he just keeps forgetting. We haven't used those terms in 5 years now.
Nothing ever came of it, although things were never really friendly between he and I after that. He never apologized to me, and he never apologized to the kids for that situation. He stopped being so defensive about it, which I guess is the best we could have hoped for.
He wasn't there for anymore JV games. If we were short handed with coaches, we cancelled the game. That's probably the better option, anyway.
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Post by olcoach53 on Dec 7, 2015 9:03:59 GMT -6
Frustrating for sure when coaches don't realize that the game has passed them by and they should NOT be coaching anymore.
Kudos to you for handling it like a professional though.
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 7, 2015 9:18:56 GMT -6
Who is the HC? Why is this guy still around?
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Post by mikeyg on Dec 7, 2015 9:40:47 GMT -6
Major kudos for keeping it together. I don't think I could have held it together like you did. Especially being sick like that.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 9:49:54 GMT -6
Major kudos for keeping it together. I don't think I could have held it together like you did. Especially being sick like that. I've never been more dehydrated in my entire life. If I hadn't gotten the text from the kid, I probably wouldn't have come to the game. I would have just gone back home and tried to not feel like I was dying.
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Post by olcoach53 on Dec 7, 2015 9:56:10 GMT -6
I am curious what would have happened had you NOT shown up. Would the old curmudgeon have blamed you? Would he have told the HC you did not prepare the players?
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 7, 2015 12:15:45 GMT -6
I'm trying to imagine how the text went down. I mean, you start running random crap, and it's c but nd using, but it's all freshmen, so the game is a shitshow by definition, but a couple kids figure out that this is very not right, so they talk and try to figure out what they should do. Do they text you and risk being wrong, or getting in the middle of a coaches spat, or do they risk getting pummelled and then regret not doing anything? So now some 14 year old kid is put in the very delicate position of trying to write a text that straddles getting the point across while not really taking a firm position.
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Post by olcoach53 on Dec 7, 2015 12:17:31 GMT -6
I think a kid who was not playing texted him.
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Post by dbeck84 on Dec 7, 2015 12:19:13 GMT -6
I'm more shocked that the JV coaching was at a teaching conference on the day of a JV game. I don't consider myself at a sports centered school, but I could never imagine a coach being expected to miss a game.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 12:44:19 GMT -6
I think a kid who was not playing texted him. It was an older brother that was a former player. He got there a little early and watched them trying to install some bone runs.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 12:48:20 GMT -6
I'm more shocked that the JV coaching was at a teaching conference on the day of a JV game. I don't consider myself at a sports centered school, but I could never imagine a coach being expected to miss a game. They're both first year teachers and we're pretty much forced to go. We don't really take JV games as seriously as some other schools might. We've learned that certain battles don't really mean that much when we win them. Both of these guys got much needed training hours early in the school year, so they kind of realized that it made the rest of the year easier.
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Post by fantom on Dec 7, 2015 16:28:00 GMT -6
He's been coaching since the late 80's. Rookie!
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 7, 2015 20:19:17 GMT -6
You're a better man than me, that story hit like, 5 items that would just send me off the deep end.
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Post by coachmonkey on Dec 7, 2015 22:25:16 GMT -6
Major kudos for keeping it together. I don't think I could have held it together like you did. Especially being sick like that. I've never been more dehydrated in my entire life. If I hadn't gotten the text from the kid, I probably wouldn't have come to the game. I would have just gone back home and tried to not feel like I was dying. I heard that beer is great for rehydration...
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 7, 2015 23:09:21 GMT -6
I've never been more dehydrated in my entire life. If I hadn't gotten the text from the kid, I probably wouldn't have come to the game. I would have just gone back home and tried to not feel like I was dying. I heard that beer is great for rehydration... My doc actually said she was concerned for my drinking habits. She was worried I had a problem, and didn't find it funny when I said I didn't have a problem and that I could drink just fine.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 28, 2016 13:40:00 GMT -6
I'm 100% with you brother. I'm experiencing exactly that right now at the middle school level.
Our HC is a good friend of mine, and one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. But he's also about 26 and is kind of in over his head a little bit (3rd year of coaching experience). He's been trying to build the team from the skill positions to the line, instead of building from the ground up. The guy spends zero time with the linemen (doesn't even know their names) and really screws me over with the plays. We run the same plays as the high school does, but he accidentally printed out every fricking play and variation of a play the high school team has ever run. So now, our base play is blocked 3 different ways that are nothing alike. The offensive line (who's never had to memorize plays before), all of the sudden has to memorize what feels like a million. But it's all simple for the skill guys, because they just line up in a few different spots and run the same paths. The high school HC isn't really helping, either. He tells me that our base play (that's blocked 3 ways) is blocked "depending on the front". Mind you, we don't get any film or anything of our opponent. So how do we know what the front is? On defense, we can't even get aligned properly in a simple one-gap 3-4, and now he wants me to install a 4-3 along with it. Good grief.
Anyways, the only guy helping me on the OL is in his 70's. He has been a referee longer than he's been a coach, and he's your classic old guy. I like to try to dedicate some of our indy time to learning these plays, and working on proper fundamental drills that are simple enough for some of our guys to comprehend. Well, he just laughs and says "No thanks, I've already got an entire plan set up". His "plans" make me want to puke. Every day, we do 1,000 different variations of the bag drills for offensive-indy, even though our kids can barely get in a stance. Every day, we only work on tackling for defensive-indy, even though they don't know how to line up. Whenever we do dedicate 5 minutes to walking through offensive plays, he spends more time talking to the scout defense about how to play defensive line than helping the OL. He spends 70% (literally) of our indy time talking to the players. His directions are never clear, and he is that guy that has to spend 5 minutes correcting a player whenever they don't do it right. So much time is wasted because he overcoaches our players.
So while the HC is upset that our offensive line is running into each other during team, he should probably take a peek at what we're doing during indy time. He does this every year, too. Our middle school teams have won less than 5 games in the 3 years he's been here, and now I know why. I don't like to be negative, but if we don't get it turned around in a hurry, this season could be over before it's even gotten started.
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Post by bignose on Aug 29, 2016 8:43:29 GMT -6
As one of the "old guys" (I'm 64 and have been coaching since 1974) I'm not quite sure how to approach this…….
I'd like to think that I have kept up to date with modern offensive concepts, but I don't pretend for a second that I know enough about them to be comfortable trying to coach them up.
A recent experience with our staff trying to run some Spread variations reinforces this. 4-6, and 3-7 seasons after wining a State Championship in 2010 running the DW and throwing the ball all of three times was my reality check. We brought in a "new, younger guy" who attempted to install his no huddle Spread concepts, it was a bad fit. We burned up 3 QBs in one season, and the kids could never learn and adjust to his new system.
My comfort zone is much more oriented to the older style "contrarian" offenses such as the DW, the Veer, the Wishbone, or Wing T.
I try to emphasize fundamentals, what I see from a lot of the contemporary offenses, is that they emphasize "schemes" and the fundamentals are secondary to getting athletes the ball in space. It's all good if you have those kind of kids and can coach them. We have two Spread teams in our league who are tearing it up and a couple of other Spread teams that are mediocre.
I know I can't, but I can certainly put the kids in a position to win.
Now in the situation described above, the "Old guy" was way out of line. He should have stayed with the plan he was given, and not tried to draw plays in the dirt. He was doing a disservice to the rest of his staff and the kids to do what he did.
But that's not necessarily due to age, I've seen younger coaches come into a program and do the same thing.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Aug 29, 2016 11:03:42 GMT -6
My comfort zone is much more oriented to the older style "contrarian" offenses such as the DW, the Veer, the Wishbone, or Wing T. I try to emphasize fundamentals, what I see from a lot of the contemporary offenses, is that they emphasize "schemes" and the fundamentals are secondary to getting athletes the ball in space. I'm in the same boat as you, and I'm a young buck. We're "spread", but we spend 80% of our time with a true fullback running iso. I am more comfortable putting an extra blocker in and running gap schemes than I am living out of zone schemes in 10 personnel. And I didn't mean for my comment to sound that rude. The best coaches I know are "old guys". I just think there's a crowd of old guys who hold themselves back with their own stubbornness just like there's a crowd of 20-somethings who want to run what they see on TV and completely disregard technique
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Post by dytmook on Aug 29, 2016 16:43:26 GMT -6
There are ways to work you're own flare into the JV playbook without throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak.
I mean if he would have put in one 'simple' wishbone play in pregame with the kids and explained it to them, they probably would have loved it. We are 11 personnel mostly and last year I basically ran double tight, double wing, but ran our base plays of power, counter, IZ, and OZ. Kids loved it because it made them feel like they had something of their own and they weren't just the JV team.
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 29, 2016 19:45:34 GMT -6
There are ways to work you're own flare into the JV playbook without throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak. I mean if he would have put in one 'simple' wishbone play in pregame with the kids and explained it to them, they probably would have loved it. We are 11 personnel mostly and last year I basically ran double tight, double wing, but ran our base plays of power, counter, IZ, and OZ. Kids loved it because it made them feel like they had something of their own and they weren't just the JV team. Yup. For me we run RPOs that the varsity doesn't and we have a few tags that they don't either. We of course keep everything in the verbiage of the varsity. My favorite is when the varsity OC asks me to walk him through some of my wrinkles. Even cooler to see them in a game a week or two later.
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Post by coachdubyah on Aug 6, 2017 16:12:52 GMT -6
Am I the only one that didn't cry due to laughing at this? I mean maybe it's not supposed to be funny, but I literally laughed at this story for 10 min.
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Post by B-gap-attack on Aug 6, 2017 16:18:06 GMT -6
**Sorry for the length** I believe I've mentioned before that we have an older guy on our staff who isn't exactly up-to-par with the current game of football. If you throw it more than once a half, you might as well just sound the air raid sirens, and line up in quads and chuck it 80 times a game. He's been coaching since the late 80's. Every suggestion he makes is something that this team ran somewhere between 1989 and 2003, when there were something like, 4 HC's and they were all wishbone teams. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just making a statement that this is what the teams were. And they weren't very good at it, at all. For the last 2 seasons, we've been all no-huddle (something that has never been done in this schools 50+ year history.) And the older guy thinks if you get more than 2 plays off in a minute, you're just going Oregon fast. And to him, "that aint' real football." Anyway, I've done the JV offense for the last 2 seasons, along with another asst, who is one of my very best friends. And our JV DC is also one of my best friends. Our JV team isn't much of a JV team, it's a freshman team. JV games are just easier to schedule. We had a game coming up against a team that was just awful. Their next talented group of kids coming through their system might still be in elementary school. Area was hit hard with the recession and the population has vanished and it's kind of gotten to be a sad situation for them. It's a game that we should win, but it would be a close game. Our HC, varsity OC and DC and STC all do varsity film during JV time. Our asst JV OC was at a teachers conference that was required and 2 hours away. We didn't want to pull any coaches from film because our game coming up was a pretty important game against the best team we had played so far. I woke up, and felt like death. Couldn't keep anything down. I had an involuntary loss of fluids, either end, 16 times between 6am and noon. I called the doc, and the only time they could get me in would be towards the end of their day, which is when the JV game would kickoff. Our JV DC was also at the same teachers conference 2 hours away. I was caught on what to do, because I couldn't leave the entire JV team with our older guy, but I couldn't not go to the doctor. So I rallied, and made a call sheet for the guy and just had our base stuff on it. Rocket, counter, trap, power, and a handful of throws. Our JV team doesn't run any of our reads, triple or RPO's. We're a Faster than the Fly team, and we don't have a TE for JV. I take out all the stuff they can't run, because it just cleans up the sheet a whole lot. I do it for myself, because it's a lot easier to see what there is when it's not crowded with stuff that can't be done. I email it to him. He responds: Is rocket the same thing as toss??? I inform him it is, and then go back to a fever dream nap in which my teeth fall out and my GF leaves me. I go to the doctor, and while I'm in the exam room, a kid texts me "Hey, um, they're running wishbone ISO. It's not going well. They haven't had a positive yard in 3 series." I get out of the office, and hurry over to the school. And I'm getting on the sidelines, he burns a timeout on 3rd and 1 with 5 seconds left in the 1st half. We're down 21-0. He uses the TO just to scream at them for nothing being good at football. He then calls a play, he doesn't give them a color-number combination, he just calls a straight play. He almost foaming at the mouth, and just barks out "22-51-T Pipe W Corner" and storms off. The kids don't know this play. Heck, I don't know this play. Or this formation. I don't even think this is a real thing. They ask him what that means, just comes back, just to yell "22-51-T Pipe W Corner!!!!!" at them before storming off again. I have to intervene and call a 2nd time out. He's livid by this time, just losing his mind, and I successfully push him away from the huddle and call trap. We get to the half. The kids go in the locker room and he's still just absolutely losing his crap over that last play. "Them dumb kids don't know a dang thing. I'm giving them a good play, and they're too stupid to run it. Can't even run ISO. Didn't know how to line up the wishbone. Idiots..... idiots...." So I say "Man, I don't know that play either." He proceeds to belittle me, which I'm fine with. If that's what he needs to feel good about himself, that's fine. I've been called worse. However, when he says that I should be fired because I don't know what I'm doing, I take offense to that. I keep pressing him about the play, what it is, what his terminology means. Turns out: 22 is a formation from 2001 that was for 2x2. 51 was a 5 step pass to the left, from 1994. T pipe was when the T ran a seam to split the 2 high safety (we were playing a 1 high team, but that's neither here nor there), but it was from 1996. We call our T an F. And W corner was a corner from the playside wing, from 2008. Obviously, none of our kids were on the teams that used these terms, and none of our coaching staff was here when these terms were used. Heck, almost our entire staff was still in school for those years, and I don't mean college. He never really accepted that he was just making up something on the spot, with terms from 4 different HC's he's worked under at this school. He still blamed the kids for not knowing what he meant to say. I take over the O, and let him have the defense. We battle back, score 3 TDs and get 3 2pt conversions. We end up losing 27-24 because we just couldn't punch it in at the very end. Parents came up, told me that they were proud of how the O battled back, and things like that. I go back in our office, and the older guy is sitting there, scowling. "You ruined it! You should have scored at the end! And if you ever tell me that I don't know how to call a play to these kids again, it won't be pretty." I've never seen this side to him before, he's always be a very excitable person, but never mean or violent. Maybe sometimes a jerk when he gets flustered, but a lot of people are like that. So, I throw my hands up and say "Listen, I got us back into the game. I'm going home to have a beer, I'll see you tomorrow." I get a call that night from our HC, asking what happened. Apparently this guy told him that he got us back into the game in the 2nd half, no thanks to me. And that I was telling parents that he was stupid and everything like that. Which our HC knew was bull, because I don't like talking to 90% of our parents. So, I tell him what happened, and how thing played out, and he isn't surprised. The three of us sit down before practice the next day, and he's still extremely defensive about it all. When our HC just basically says "we don't run that play, and we don't use any of those terms" and complains that he just keeps forgetting. We haven't used those terms in 5 years now. Nothing ever came of it, although things were never really friendly between he and I after that. He never apologized to me, and he never apologized to the kids for that situation. He stopped being so defensive about it, which I guess is the best we could have hoped for. He wasn't there for anymore JV games. If we were short handed with coaches, we cancelled the game. That's probably the better option, anyway. Is there film on this?? I would LOVE to see it.
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Post by fantom on Aug 8, 2017 20:17:21 GMT -6
**Sorry for the length** I believe I've mentioned before that we have an older guy on our staff who isn't exactly up-to-par with the current game of football. If you throw it more than once a half, you might as well just sound the air raid sirens, and line up in quads and chuck it 80 times a game. He's been coaching since the late 80's. Every suggestion he makes is something that this team ran somewhere between 1989 and 2003, when there were something like, 4 HC's and they were all wishbone teams. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just making a statement that this is what the teams were. And they weren't very good at it, at all. For the last 2 seasons, we've been all no-huddle (something that has never been done in this schools 50+ year history.) And the older guy thinks if you get more than 2 plays off in a minute, you're just going Oregon fast. And to him, "that aint' real football." Anyway, I've done the JV offense for the last 2 seasons, along with another asst, who is one of my very best friends. And our JV DC is also one of my best friends. Our JV team isn't much of a JV team, it's a freshman team. JV games are just easier to schedule. We had a game coming up against a team that was just awful. Their next talented group of kids coming through their system might still be in elementary school. Area was hit hard with the recession and the population has vanished and it's kind of gotten to be a sad situation for them. It's a game that we should win, but it would be a close game. Our HC, varsity OC and DC and STC all do varsity film during JV time. Our asst JV OC was at a teachers conference that was required and 2 hours away. We didn't want to pull any coaches from film because our game coming up was a pretty important game against the best team we had played so far. I woke up, and felt like death. Couldn't keep anything down. I had an involuntary loss of fluids, either end, 16 times between 6am and noon. I called the doc, and the only time they could get me in would be towards the end of their day, which is when the JV game would kickoff. Our JV DC was also at the same teachers conference 2 hours away. I was caught on what to do, because I couldn't leave the entire JV team with our older guy, but I couldn't not go to the doctor. So I rallied, and made a call sheet for the guy and just had our base stuff on it. Rocket, counter, trap, power, and a handful of throws. Our JV team doesn't run any of our reads, triple or RPO's. We're a Faster than the Fly team, and we don't have a TE for JV. I take out all the stuff they can't run, because it just cleans up the sheet a whole lot. I do it for myself, because it's a lot easier to see what there is when it's not crowded with stuff that can't be done. I email it to him. He responds: Is rocket the same thing as toss??? I inform him it is, and then go back to a fever dream nap in which my teeth fall out and my GF leaves me. I go to the doctor, and while I'm in the exam room, a kid texts me "Hey, um, they're running wishbone ISO. It's not going well. They haven't had a positive yard in 3 series." I get out of the office, and hurry over to the school. And I'm getting on the sidelines, he burns a timeout on 3rd and 1 with 5 seconds left in the 1st half. We're down 21-0. He uses the TO just to scream at them for nothing being good at football. He then calls a play, he doesn't give them a color-number combination, he just calls a straight play. He almost foaming at the mouth, and just barks out "22-51-T Pipe W Corner" and storms off. The kids don't know this play. Heck, I don't know this play. Or this formation. I don't even think this is a real thing. They ask him what that means, just comes back, just to yell "22-51-T Pipe W Corner!!!!!" at them before storming off again. I have to intervene and call a 2nd time out. He's livid by this time, just losing his mind, and I successfully push him away from the huddle and call trap. We get to the half. The kids go in the locker room and he's still just absolutely losing his crap over that last play. "Them dumb kids don't know a dang thing. I'm giving them a good play, and they're too stupid to run it. Can't even run ISO. Didn't know how to line up the wishbone. Idiots..... idiots...." So I say "Man, I don't know that play either." He proceeds to belittle me, which I'm fine with. If that's what he needs to feel good about himself, that's fine. I've been called worse. However, when he says that I should be fired because I don't know what I'm doing, I take offense to that. I keep pressing him about the play, what it is, what his terminology means. Turns out: 22 is a formation from 2001 that was for 2x2. 51 was a 5 step pass to the left, from 1994. T pipe was when the T ran a seam to split the 2 high safety (we were playing a 1 high team, but that's neither here nor there), but it was from 1996. We call our T an F. And W corner was a corner from the playside wing, from 2008. Obviously, none of our kids were on the teams that used these terms, and none of our coaching staff was here when these terms were used. Heck, almost our entire staff was still in school for those years, and I don't mean college. He never really accepted that he was just making up something on the spot, with terms from 4 different HC's he's worked under at this school. He still blamed the kids for not knowing what he meant to say. I take over the O, and let him have the defense. We battle back, score 3 TDs and get 3 2pt conversions. We end up losing 27-24 because we just couldn't punch it in at the very end. Parents came up, told me that they were proud of how the O battled back, and things like that. I go back in our office, and the older guy is sitting there, scowling. "You ruined it! You should have scored at the end! And if you ever tell me that I don't know how to call a play to these kids again, it won't be pretty." I've never seen this side to him before, he's always be a very excitable person, but never mean or violent. Maybe sometimes a jerk when he gets flustered, but a lot of people are like that. So, I throw my hands up and say "Listen, I got us back into the game. I'm going home to have a beer, I'll see you tomorrow." I get a call that night from our HC, asking what happened. Apparently this guy told him that he got us back into the game in the 2nd half, no thanks to me. And that I was telling parents that he was stupid and everything like that. Which our HC knew was bull, because I don't like talking to 90% of our parents. So, I tell him what happened, and how thing played out, and he isn't surprised. The three of us sit down before practice the next day, and he's still extremely defensive about it all. When our HC just basically says "we don't run that play, and we don't use any of those terms" and complains that he just keeps forgetting. We haven't used those terms in 5 years now. Nothing ever came of it, although things were never really friendly between he and I after that. He never apologized to me, and he never apologized to the kids for that situation. He stopped being so defensive about it, which I guess is the best we could have hoped for. He wasn't there for anymore JV games. If we were short handed with coaches, we cancelled the game. That's probably the better option, anyway. The guy was calling plays from several different HC's. The problem isn't that he's old and that the game has passed him by. He never caught up with the game in the first place. He's an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:05:46 GMT -6
The guy was calling plays from several different HC's. The problem isn't that he's old and that the game has passed him by. He never caught up with the game in the first place. He's an idiot. And that's it... he never was on top of the game to begin with, from the sound of it. I've worked under a guy like lowmanwins described once. Depending on what he was picturing in his head at the time he called the play, the same exact play call could mean a Trap, an Iso, or a Zone to the OL. That was not a good experience or a successful season in any way. That wasn't because the game passed him by. It was because he was arrogant, showed early signs of dementia, and didn't know what he was doing in the first place. For him, we were going to succeed because he was just so much smarter than everyone else. The best HC I've ever worked for was 64 years old at the time and had been a Wing-T guy for over 30 years before becoming one of the first (and only) coaches in our area to adopt a pass-first spread offense. He did things a lot differently than most spread coaches would approve of on here, but it worked well enough and we were always in the game, even when we would have to successfully rally from 35 down at halftime to be there. He used to do that in the Wing-T, too. What set him apart was that he was a 1st class human being who related to the kids and coaches, was a great teacher of the game, and knew how to get pull everyone together to give 100%. He had the most passion, most charisma, and best "feel" for the game of football that I've ever seen. He was incredible and I am very fortunate to have gotten to work for him. There will always be jerks who get into coaching because they think it's just telling kids what to do. The biggest problem with the culture of coaching this sport, IMO, is the asinine idea that it's all about "genius" coaches who outscheme their way to victory by drawing stuff on a whiteboard better than the other team. Those guys, no matter how old they are, need to just stay home and play Madden until they learn that screaming "block somebody" does not, in fact, lead to players blocking somebody...
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